Do the psyche locks have hypnotic powers? and also...spoiler

Fri Dec 07, 2007 3:36 am

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Luke Atmey cheated the locks

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WTF? And also when Phoenix presents the magatama are the suspects hypnotized to tell the truth or what?

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Fri Dec 07, 2007 3:45 am

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I also wondered about that. If the psyche lock is supposed to hold all your secrets, then technically the psyche locks shouldn't have broken when Phoenix claimed Atmey was knocked out. They should've stayed there until he discovered the whole truth.

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Fri Dec 07, 2007 7:41 pm

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Mysticgamer wrote:

Luke Atmey cheated the locks

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WTF?

My opinion of this is that the Psyche Locks only react when Phoenix has reason to believe that something is being hidden. If someone has a good enough story which is supported by the evidence presented

Spoiler: "3-2"

Thus, if someone is hiding something but Phoenix has no reason to suspect it, he can't dig into it. Hence,

Spoiler: "3-2, 3-5"

remain hidden simply because Phoenix has no reason to think there's any further lie. See also, any time that "Ini" referred to her "sister" working at Dr Grey's hospital in 2-2.

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Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:37 am

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I think that's just an example of the Psyche Locks being used in a way that's most convenient, even if it doesn't make sense :P.

But there's nothing about the magatama having hypnotic powers. All it does is allow Phoenix to see that someone is harboring a secret.

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Wed Dec 12, 2007 3:52 am

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as for your question about it hypnotising people to tell the truth,
by the time phoenix has broken the locks, they have nothing left to hide behinad and have to tell the truth..

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Tue Dec 18, 2007 6:18 pm

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Remember that in case 2-2, Morgan outwits the lie-detecting powers of the magatama, which I believe are extremely complex and depend on Phoenix state of mind and the exact wording involved. Morgan spouted off some extremely convoluted statement, and Phoenix internally comments: (Somehow I feel as if I've just been made fun of in the worst way possible.) I believe that is because Morgan defeated his lie detector.

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Wed Dec 19, 2007 3:13 am

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Quizer wrote:

Remember that in case 2-2, Morgan outwits the lie-detecting powers of the magatama, which I believe are extremely complex and depend on Phoenix state of mind and the exact wording involved. Morgan spouted off some extremely convoluted statement, and Phoenix internally comments: (Somehow I feel as if I've just been made fun of in the worst way possible.) I believe that is because Morgan defeated his lie detector.

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Makes sense, I guess mystical relics take word play literally. After most of all know about Matt in JFA.

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Wed Dec 19, 2007 3:33 am

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I think the reason people spill the beans is because Phoenix is waving around the magatama in front of their faces. They think he's psycho.

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Wed Dec 19, 2007 4:05 am

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Psyche-Locks hide secrets, not the truth.

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Wed Dec 19, 2007 4:11 am

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mario2000 wrote:

Psyche-Locks hide secrets, not the truth.

True, or else you'd know the murderer that much faster.

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Wed Dec 19, 2007 11:57 am

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Quote:

Psyche-Locks hide secrets, not the truth.

That's the main problem, isn't it? But I think the mental acrobatics required to be willing to divulge the secret while narrowly steering the conversation past it are not to be scoffed at. I also think that a key requirement for the Magatama to kick in is for the secret keeper to be on the defensive, so Phoenix surprising or yelling at people is probably a good way to reveal secrets being kept.

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Wed Dec 19, 2007 12:34 pm

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No one mentioned 2-2 yet, when "Ini Miney" supposedly knows Dr. Grey through her sister. And I STILL believe that 2-4's Engarde lock didn't state what it should've stated... still, it is fun to know that there are 2 ways to break his first-of-5 locks. :larry2:

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