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I honestly can't imagine this...
What would he be like outside of his job?
In his home life, social life(if he has one), etc?
I can see pretty much every other character this way... but not him... :/
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That's still pretty much part of his job. It's just during the investigating, and covering up of evidence...
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In 1-4, Edgeworth says that Manfred von Karma is a perfectionist in his work, AND his personal life.
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I meant he does that all the time. Whenever he's outside of court. Or, I'll post a comic later when I have time that could show him outside of court.

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Yes, but... what exactly happens in this "perfect" personal life?

Maybe he's... a perfectionist in bowling, getting a 300 every time he plays? xD
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No. I imagine this:

He spends all day and night on an unbelievably strict schedule, mostly consisting of reading books on Law, reading old, and new, case files, and probably intimidating people outside of court, to still get what he wants. He wouldn't do sports. It's not something he would benefit from.
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He probably goes to the gym though. Perfect personal life also means perfect health. :gant: Manny! Let's go swim- *shot*
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Gant's probably interested in his perfect record with young kids...
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Or his relationship with MJ.
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No. I imagine this:

He spends all day and night on an unbelievably strict schedule, mostly consisting of reading books on Law, reading old, and new, case files, and probably intimidating people outside of court, to still get what he wants. He wouldn't do sports. It's not something he would benefit from.

I don't know about the sports part. I can still picture him playing golf. However, as for the rest of his life, I'd say you've pretty much hit the nail on the head. Let's see... I wouldn't be surprised if he never gives himself any free time, either. He probably reads the newspaper at a set time, has his morning coffee served at a specific temperature and a specific concentration, always goes right at the speed limit when driving (assuming he's not speeding up from a stop or lower speed limit or slowing down to a stop or lower speed limit), always... [goes on and on]
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I know a few stuffy, intimidating old men like von Karma in real life. I picture him, on special occasions, eating out with his wife (she's still alive/around, right?) at a fancy restaraunt and leaving a meager tip unless the service is perfect.

It's sort of hard to picture him in clothes that don't have cravats, though...
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It's hard to picture him as a father too.. o_O.. I sometimes wonder if there were any familial relations between him and Franziska at all,... but I'd assume there would be at least some since she calls him "Papa"... as opposed to "Father" or "Sir"..
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I doubt he'd play golf, for the same reason I'd doubt he'd play baseball or bowling... but I WILL say... he MAY play soccer.

I'm trying to say as much as possible, without a spoiler... but I can't see him playing any sports. I consider him towards sports like Andrews in JFA towards most things.

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Just say the goddamn spoilers. :P
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Here's a pair of Von Karmics made by Zarla.
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He rides. He also goes hunting with dogs when he's in Germany. He likes aristocratic pursuits so he probably shoots, also - but for game. It's likely he knows archery too. He also spends time every day fencing. He plays chess.

These are all useful pursuits with a purpose. He doesn't indulge in pointless games like golf.

He's not a family man in the traditional sense but his sense of ancestry and family name is very strong.

He's not a party man but he does hold formal dinners for the great and the good when he is at home in Germany. They always have a traditional German christmas.

That's my take on an out of court VK, anyways.
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I image Manfred von Karma is like this OCD kid at my last school. Labelled everything from the silverware drawer to the laundry hampers.
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I image Manfred von Karma is like this OCD kid at my last school. Labelled everything from the silverware drawer to the laundry hampers.


That sounds more Edgeworth XD VK would pay a servant to do it XD
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It's hard to picture him as a father too.. o_O.. I sometimes wonder if there were any familial relations between him and Franziska at all,... but I'd assume there would be at least some since she calls him "Papa"... as opposed to "Father" or "Sir"..


I think I might have something approaching an answer for you. I get the feeling Manfred was a generally cold, very strict father, but one to reward obedience by taking great pride in his kinder. His older daughter (the one who has her own daughter) he probably tried to shape into a "perfect" lady--refinement, gentility, and all that. Franziska he probably saw a lot of himself in, so he sought to make her the heiress to his own legacy--Miles I think he considered more of an instrument of revenge than an heir. I suspect he offered Franziska a peculiar mixture of fatherly pride and soldierly camaraderie. They probably shared many a sardonic laugh at the rest of the world. "They think to beat us. ...Fools." It may not have been the most healthy relationship, but it had its ups as well as its downs, I'm sure.
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Yeah, that's kind of how I imagined it too. She never spoke badly about him except for the high expectations that she would inherit his name in the world of law. It's too bad we never got to see too much into their family life.
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Oh hmm... I wouldn't want the series to delve into the von Karma household because it leaves lots of room for exploration and imagination.

I expect things to be proper and organised in von Karma's life. Manfred von Karma is an organised man and expects perfection in every small detail. Anything that does not go according to plan can ruin everything. There is no room for laziness or procrastination. I wonder what kind of life he had as a boy. I imagine his family and ancestors to be the same though maybe without the same obsession for perfection as Manfred... maybe....
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Does he pursue perfection in videogames too?
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I saw a fic somewhere about that when he was trying to beat Miles' score on some computer game. "Competitive Dad Syndrome" FTW. Heh.
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Where the hell is that? I am curious.
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I think I might have something approaching an answer for you. I get the feeling Manfred was a generally cold, very strict father, but one to reward obedience by taking great pride in his kinder. His older daughter (the one who has her own daughter) he probably tried to shape into a "perfect" lady--refinement, gentility, and all that.


I know 1-4 mentons that VK has a granddaughter, and that in rules of age that its not Franny's.
But does it ever say that it was VK's DAUGHTER and not son who is resposible for that?
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Where the hell is that? I am curious.


I THINK it may have been on the Gyakuten100 list on LJ. But I can't remember who wrote it so you'd have to poke through the archive.
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Come to think of it, I don't remember exactly how I got the notion that Manfred had no sons stuck in my head. Maybe I'm wrong. I do suspect, though, that if he had a son, he would've let the whole world know. That and the fact that he took Edgeworth in might suggest as much.
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I'm pretty sure that it's stated in game that his other child is a girl. I don't have time this second to pore through the script to 1:4 though unfortunately.
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I always thought he had at least 2 daughters... or maybe I'm wrong...?
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I always thought this too... :/
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One of those illustration books specifies that it's a girl (And apparently a normal person, compared to Franziska)
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Von Karma's character page. That is likely where those of you who "have a feeling he has two daughters" got that idea. It says that this is confirmed by the GS2 fanbook, so it is not explicitly stated in the game.

Also, this is a great topic. It had never even occured to me to really think about von Karma outside of the courtroom. But now that I am, something is bothering me. If Franziska and Edgeworth grew up in Germany, how were they trained by von Karma? After all, he's been working in Japan/United States (depending on the language you play the game in) all this time. Did he periodically make trips there? If so, how come they were so affected by his influence. :yuusaku:
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It's hard to picture him as a father too.. o_O.. I sometimes wonder if there were any familial relations between him and Franziska at all,... but I'd assume there would be at least some since she calls him "Papa"... as opposed to "Father" or "Sir"..


I think I might have something approaching an answer for you. I get the feeling Manfred was a generally cold, very strict father, but one to reward obedience by taking great pride in his kinder. His older daughter (the one who has her own daughter) he probably tried to shape into a "perfect" lady--refinement, gentility, and all that. Franziska he probably saw a lot of himself in, so he sought to make her the heiress to his own legacy--Miles I think he considered more of an instrument of revenge than an heir. I suspect he offered Franziska a peculiar mixture of fatherly pride and soldierly camaraderie. They probably shared many a sardonic laugh at the rest of the world. "They think to beat us. ...Fools." It may not have been the most healthy relationship, but it had its ups as well as its downs, I'm sure.


Wow, that is scarily close to the conclusion my sister came to about the Von Karma family! :beef:
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Von Karma's character page. That is likely where those of you who "have a feeling he has two daughters" got that idea. It says that this is confirmed by the GS2 fanbook, so it is not explicitly stated in the game.

Also, this is a great topic. It had never even occured to me to really think about von Karma outside of the courtroom. But now that I am, something is bothering me. If Franziska and Edgeworth grew up in Germany, how were they trained by von Karma? After all, he's been working in Japan/United States (depending on the language you play the game in) all this time. Did he periodically make trips there? If so, how come they were so affected by his influence. :yuusaku:

Was it ever specifically stated that Manfred spent his entire career in America? I just assumed he travelled often; until the DL-6 incident. I imagine he took a lengthy vacation in... I dunno, Hawaii or the Bahamas or something, dropped into America to pick up young Edgey, then raised/trained him and Franziska in Germany.
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I assume he divided his time between Germany and the USA and employed a tutor in his absence. They had to learn other stuff as well as law in order to function.
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... (And apparently a normal person, compared to Franziska)


OUCH! And there was a sharp left jab!!!

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since he is a perfectionist, he probably gets angry whenever someone does something imperfect, and whips out his trusty old taser
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I imagine he's quite the workaholic. He probably spends a lot of time doing paperwork and trying to get cases to work on. If he ever does get stuck having free time (which typically happens if he doesn't pace himself when doing paperwork and finds room in his schedule for it), he fences, works out, or reads trashy romance novels and writes critiques in the margins. (This is Phoenix Wright. He has to have some cracktastic level to his personality.) Gant probably barges into his office when he has days off and drags him places without his consent. Because Gant's like that. :gant:
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He's a ruthless man, let's also remember; he cares more about his perfection than he does justice given he's condemned who knows how many innocent people to death in court.

Generally in psychological terms, the cause of an unhealthy behavior is the direct opposite of that behavior. The control freak had little control over things growing up; the neat freak lived in a sty. That sort of thing. von Karma's fixation on perfection could be the result of never being 'good enough' growing up; in a way we can see that process at work on Franziska, and it seems to be a reasonable assumption that Manfred was probably brought up by hyper-judgemental parents. He was never good enough, so he's bent on being perfect. Thus he's hyper-judgemental of those around him, including his children. And now look at Franziska.

I can see him being into sport shooting as an out-of-court hobby, actually. It would be in keeping with his attempt to explain the bullet in his shoulder; that explanation that it was from some other accident and not DL-6 wouldn't hold water if he didn't have a hobby or something in which he could have been shot. If it had been a criminal incident...well, I think a high-profile prosecutor being shot would attract an awful lot of attention and would have been mentioned somewhere, y'know?
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