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Hey everyone!

I wanted to ask everyone, what kind of misconceptions did you have while playing the game? What events did you end up interpreting differently than they turned out?

For example, through a large part of the 3-5 case I favored the possibility that the snowmobile had been used for a spectacular jump to cross the chasm - that would have explained some of the contradictions (like the tracks) and opened up new interpretations since the burned bridge wasn't necessarily an obstacle. Larry's painting of something flying over the bridge seemed to corroborate that theory, as did Elise's body being knocked around and the amethyst being knocked off that staff - the landing after such a jump couldn't have been smooth.

Also...
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Before the last part of the trial, Mia gives off some cryptic hints - saying that Phoenix had to convict the real murderer despite any personal misgivings he might have, or something like that. I took that to mean that Mia might be the murderer - being channeled by Maya or Pearl and killing Dahlia in defense of her sister, sacrificing Misty's life in the process. Only slightly into the trial I realized that it was Godot who had done it, and I was much happier to convict him than Mia.



What were your big misconceptions?


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Some of those are pretty big spoilers. You may want to edit some of those into a spoiler box.

The only one I can think of that I had was;
Spoiler: Avert your eyes!
I was spoiled by wikipedia! Curse you wikipedia!

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I thought Dahlia was channeled by Iris for the longest time.
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Some of those are pretty big spoilers. You may want to edit some of those into a spoiler box.
I did so, even though I think that after my fairly heavy spoiler warning in the thread title no one has grounds to complain if they get spoiled on GS3 in this thread.

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I thought Dahlia was channeled by Iris for the longest time.
Considered that, too, wondering whether the 'Seems to have no spiritual powers' in her profile was a hint.


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I did so, even though I think that after my fairly heavy spoiler warning in the thread title no one has grounds to complain if they get spoiled on GS3 in this thread.

True... I guess I'm so used to seeing complaints in other topics that it was an automatic reaction. Especially with the HUGE spoiler...
Or maybe I just love the spoiler tags!
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I think they are neet!

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I had so many misconceptions about 3-5 that I don't know where to start.

Spoiler: 3-5
I was convinced at first that Elise was Morgan rather than Misty (her face looks more like Morgan's I think: they have the same dimples). I also thought that Iris was really Dahlia for the LONGEST time... even after Edgeworth said that she had been executed. Before the murder occurred I figured that Morgan, Dahlia, and Bikini were working together to kill Maya. Also, throughout the case I was certain that... someone... was channelling Diego Armando, thus explaining Godot's mysterious disappearance. It's stunning how wrong I was about that.
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I had so many misconceptions about 3-5 that I don't know where to start.

Spoiler: 3-5
I was convinced at first that Elise was Morgan rather than Misty (her face looks more like Morgan's I think: they have the same dimples). I also thought that Iris was really Dahlia for the LONGEST time... even after Edgeworth said that she had been executed. Before the murder occurred I figured that Morgan, Dahlia, and Bikini were working together to kill Maya. Also, throughout the case I was certain that... someone... was channelling Diego Armando, thus explaining Godot's mysterious disappearance. It's stunning how wrong I was about that.

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Spoiler: Diego?
Channelling Diego? But he was right there for the case before and he was Godot for the the entire game before that. Who did you think Godot was? Did you think Godot died "again"? And who would channel Diego?
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Spoiler: Diego
Ok, so in 3-4 we discover that Godot is really Diego Armando, but we don't have any idea as to how he's back. At that point, we have been told that Diego was poisoned by Dahlia, and to my mind poisoned=dead. Plus, Godot kept saying that he had come back from Hell, so I took that to mean that he had returned from the dead. Then in 3-5 the case clearly has a lot to do with spirit channeling. So I thought that it made sense for Godot to be the channeled form of Diego. That is, I thought that from case 3-2 onwards someone had been channeling Diego. The only problem was that I had no idea who could possibly have been channeling him. I also figured that whoever this person was, they had stopped summoning him around the time of the murder and that was why he didn't appear in the first day of court. I admit that none of this makes any sense whatsoever, but it was the crazy idea I came up with as I went along.
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RegyRusty wrote:
Spoiler: Diego
Ok, so in 3-4 we discover that Godot is really Diego Armando, but we don't have any idea as to how he's back. At that point, we have been told that Diego was poisoned by Dahlia, and to my mind poisoned=dead. Plus, Godot kept saying that he had come back from Hell, so I took that to mean that he had returned from the dead. Then in 3-5 the case clearly has a lot to do with spirit channeling. So I thought that it made sense for Godot to be the channeled form of Diego. That is, I thought that from case 3-2 onwards someone had been channeling Diego. The only problem was that I had no idea who could possibly have been channeling him. I also figured that whoever this person was, they had stopped summoning him around the time of the murder and that was why he didn't appear in the first day of court. I admit that none of this makes any sense whatsoever, but it was the crazy idea I came up with as I went along.

So,
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Did you think that the real murderer wad whoever was channelling Diego? That could be a realy interesting alternate plot idea! It does (in PW land) make some sense, it could have happened that way!

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Donald Serrot wrote:
So,
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Did you think that the real murderer wad whoever was channelling Diego? That could be a realy interesting alternate plot idea! It does (in PW land) make some sense, it could have happened that way!


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That's precisely what I thought! Where better for a murderer to hide than within the appearance of someone they've channeled? (Interestingly of course, that's exactly what Maya did, though she wasn't a murderer.)
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Wow, that's a really interesting theory. I guess my great snobmobile jump theory doesn't measure up to that.

I'm looking forward to hearing more!


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Wow, that's a really interesting theory. I guess my great snobmobile jump theory doesn't measure up to that.
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That would have been awesome because then whoever would have jumped the gap could have become a new gap jumping star! Selling tickets and lunch boxes and stuff like that! (Do people even use lunch boxes anymore?)
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I was convinced at first that Elise was Morgan rather than Misty (her face looks more like Morgan's I think: they have the same dimples).

Me too! I guess I'm not the only one.

Also, when Mia said the thing about the murderer in 3-5, I thought Pearls was the murderer.
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i thought that iris was actually dahlia, who had somehow managed to survive execution - uber plot twist
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I didn't trust anything about 'Iris' at the start. I wasn't sure she was Dahlia, but I definitely considered it possible. Only her typical angry 'crack in my facade' look never came when she saw Phoenix, which confused me.

Pearl as the murderer... ouch. You mean channeling someone, or you mean :pearly: 'Stay away from Mystic Maya!' *crunch* *bash *stabbity-stab-stab*


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In 3-2: That Ron knew his blackmailer.
: That the picture was a fake and that the vase was stolen LATER that day.

In 3-3: That Viola dun did it and Tigre was protecting her under pressure of her grandad.

In 3-5: I was a bit spoiled here, but I thought that Dahlia was channeled by Maya and Misty, not knowing who it was, attempted to kill Dahlia-Maya, causing Dahlia to kill Misty.

In 3-5: Not major, but I thought Godot's mask hadn't been working for 3-5 after Dahlia-Misty's slashy attack.
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For a short while I played around with the idea that Pearl was secretly evil and plotted the whole thing with Morgan.

:pearl: Mwahahaha no one suspected me cuz I acted all cute and innocent for 2 whole games and my true colors show in the last case of the last game of the trilogy~~~~! Mother, I have made you proud.. *evil laughter echoes in the distance*

Yeah.. I know I'm twisted. :sadshoe:

Initially, I had also thought Dahlia somehow faked her execution (like.. somehow got someone else executed in her place) and was still alive. (e.g. when Pearl said there was a way for a spirit medium to not be able to channel a spirit if they were already being channeled by someone else... OR IF THEY WEREN'T DEAD ZOMG)
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Evil!Pearl... now that's just cruel. You have a sick mind, Mr. Aevitas. :uramidn:

But Dahlia facing her execution didn't appeal to me. I knew she had to be dead because I knew instinctively this case had to do with her being channeled.



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Err... I'm a girl.. *points to info*.. and I guess I just enjoy thinking outside of the box too much. :keiko:

Well, 2-2, was also supposed to be about channeling too, but they surprised us with the fact that no one was even channeled. That's what kept going through my mind while i was playing 3-5.
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Oh okay, I guess it's a Ms. Aevitas after all. Not that it changes my point... :P

3-5 wasn't about channeling initially, though. Which is why it had to be about channeling in the end.


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andrx wrote:
i thought that iris was actually dahlia, who had somehow managed to survive execution - uber plot twist


Thats what i thought too, i kept trying to think that but the story wasnt matching up with that theory :(
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Shoe wrote:
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i thought that iris was actually dahlia, who had somehow managed to survive execution - uber plot twist


Thats what i thought too, i kept trying to think that but the story wasnt matching up with that theory :(


Yeah same here too, the first time I saw Iris picture in the magazine,I was thinking this:" HOLY ****, this is so getting bad there, DAHLIA'S BACK! :chinami: AHHHHHH! WE'RE ALL GOING TO HELL! Don't go there :phoenix: !''
I also thought of the whole escape from execution thing until I started to cross-examine ''Iris''. All this mess in my head ended up being obliterated then.
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Yeah same here too, the first time I saw Iris picture in the magazine,I was thinking this:" HOLY ****, this is so getting bad there, DAHLIA'S BACK! :chinami: AHHHHHH! WE'RE ALL GOING TO HELL! Don't go there :phoenix: !''
I also thought of the whole escape from execution thing until I started to cross-examine ''Iris''. All this mess in my head ended up being obliterated then.
Well, I thought that Iris was Dahlia or could be Dahlia, too. It took a while for me to realize they are two different persons, although Iris' attitude made me less than sure that she was actually evil!Dahlia. I thought maybe she had amnesia and forgot about her old self or something like that...

Anyway, we were meant to link those two together the way the plot was constructed. I'm more aiming at complete mistakes in deductive reasoning where you interpreted things wrongly and got something into your head that just never came true.


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I was rather certain Pearls did it in 3-5. I was completely shocked when I realized who I had to go after.

I was really hoping she was a bit more involved in the Trés Bien case -> :keiko-sad:
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I'd like to jump onto the "I thought Pearl did it" bandwagon. I also was off accusing Pearl in the second game and halfway to suspecting Penny in the first though, so perhaps I'm a little off kilter. Eh heh.
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I'd like to jump onto the "I thought Pearl did it" bandwagon. I also was off accusing Pearl in the second game and halfway to suspecting Penny in the first though, so perhaps I'm a little off kilter. Eh heh.
Heh, perhaps you are too fond of the 'innocent little girl fools everyone' cliché. But Dahlia in 3-1 should have satisfied you in that regard, no?


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Perhaps I am, but perhaps Dahlia in 3-1 wasn't as huge a plot twist as expected or something. XD But vindication is vindication no less! Innocent looking girls can't always be innocent!

I was rather serious about Penny committing the crime though. It was more like a proposal that I couldn't let go once it came to mind.

But on the topic of T&T, I was highly confused so as to all the turns of events that Pearl was the only one that I thought reasonable to blame. Whoops.
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I was completely shocked when I realized who I had to go after.


Same here. After the whole "naked man killer" hypothesis, I was seriously suspecting Larry. No kidding.
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For the longest time I thought Ami's soul was literally in the urn... not the ashes, because there were no ashes when it was broken for the first time. Hmm.
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I wonder if anyone has ever tried to channel Ami Fey. It's probably considered something akin to sacrilege in the Fey family, because her spirit is supposed to be in that urn... but there are enough people now who know that urn has been broken several times over...
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3-3: I thought that Tigre being the killer was too obvious, so I tried to point the finger at Viola at every chance I could. "The person who dressed as Glen Elg was... the person you least expect!"
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I knew the person who dressed as Glen Elg had to be Tigre, because Viola was already dressing as the waitress. I realized it the second or third of the many times we saw this picture:

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This is clearly not Maggey Byrde. But it does look like Viola from behind, doesn't it?
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I thought that the whole MC Bomber Virus being unleashed on the police computers deal towards the end of case 3-3, would come into play as some kind of obstacle you had to overcome in the last case, same deal with the Cadaverini crime family, I thought they would be back in some small role in case five as well.

But alas I was wrong on both counts.
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Well, the reason why I thought Tigre couldn't have been dressed like Elg is because he's ORANGE. They never addressed that :sadshoe:
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Well, the reason why I thought Tigre couldn't have been dressed like Elg is because he's ORANGE. They never addressed that :sadshoe:


Yeah. Also, how could Ron's hair and Luke's nose fit in the Mask :jazzron: DeMasque costume, anyways?
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Yeah. Also, how could Ron's hair and Luke's nose fit in the Mask*DeMasque costume, anyways?
This delves into the Things Mankind Is Not Meant To Know.


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I wonder if anyone has ever tried to channel Ami Fey. It's probably considered something akin to sacrilege in the Fey family, because her spirit is supposed to be in that urn... but there are enough people now who know that urn has been broken several times over...

I wonder why Pearl didn't try to channel

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I wonder why Pearl didn't try to channel Misty after case 5.
I think maybe they do channel her. Once everything is over, at any rate. Pearl never got that reading session that Elise wanted to give her, did she?


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I wonder why Pearl didn't try to channel Misty after case 5.
I think maybe they do channel her. Once everything is over, at any rate. Pearl never got that reading session that Elise wanted to give her, did she?


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the last sentence made me soooo sad..... :(

for me, the misconception is in 3-3:
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i thought Ron was clearly not a thief since he was so PRETTY and adorable :yuusaku:
i was saying 'yay phoenix is taking other cases instead of loads of murdering!!! (i hate :psycho-matt: )' but then...
arghhhhhhhh :sadshoe: *stunned*

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I just thought about one that sorta covers the entire game. When this game was announced they (Cap com) said that all the loose ends would be taken care of, but one big one that I was expecting to have answered never got taken care of;
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Why didn't Phoenix ever get a driver's license?
That was something that bugged me all the way to the end of the game.
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