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Hi, I'm Mystical Werby! I'm a great fan of PW (I'm waiting for PW3 *__*)

I've a question, and I hope somebody can answer.....
does death penalty exist in PW? I still don't understand it...is it only for precise crimes (for example serial killers?) ... ?

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A quite scary thought, but Death Penalty for single murder may have been hinted in the game. Though, as for serial killers, it's another story.

Spoiler: Case 1-5
Joe Darke, the serial killer of the SL-9 incident, was executed before Case 1-5.

Spoiler: JFA
Throughout the game, Phoenix and Maya tells Franziska countless that her father will "never come back", indicating that Manfred may had got a mighty penalty for that what would cause the birth of the DL6-case.
Also, I heard somewhere in the game that Maya has "escaped death three times".

Spoiler: GS3 aka TT, read at your own risk
Chinami was executed at the time of Pw3, for killing three people. Also, Onamida was convicted and ready to be executed.
I could mention one more Gs3 spoiler, but I won't.
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Of course it's a thorny matter.
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So...were the other guilties executed? I remember Maya's episode, that's why I have these doubts. If Maya risked to be executed for a single murder, the others had the same destiny, didn't they (I hope they didn't...)? I'd like to know it, if it's possible...
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Nothing is explicitly stated in the series about the fate of any of the people that Phoenix proves as the culprit (unless it is in 3+), but the death penalty certainly does exist within the Ace Attorney-verse, and certainly for pre-meditated murder, with which Maya was charged.
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There's one line in GS3 case 2 that mentioned it specifically, but I haven't had the chance to play up to that point in a while, with all the updating that suddenly came up. But the implication is there that even just one intentional murder is enough to get you executed.

Spoiler: GS3
The end of GS3 makes it obvious that Karma is dead. Also, Chinami may have been guilty of killing several people, but she was only convicted of one murder and one attempted murder.

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Thank you very much for your answers!! You're very kind! Pearl
Sorry, I've another question ... (I've a lot of them ^^")

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What about people like Mimi or Acro? After all, they had a particular situation...and aren't bad people at all (especially Acro), I think. Can their situation be important or not? Were they executed...? I ask it because I like these characters...of course they're guilty, but they're just VERY unlucky...and they have a tragic past.

Maybe this isn't a good reason to deserve a less cruel penalty (I think nobody deserves death penalty...but that's another matter.) ... I'm not a "legal expert", because I wasn't so interested before...(I likely became interested thanks to PW)


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PS: sorry for my english, "which isn't perfect" ( it's an euphemism... Sadshoe ). However I'm not American or English......
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The death penelty could hardly focus on 'people that are evil'. That would make no sence.....
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I suppose they could plead that they were not of sound mind, but I don't think that would work.
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@Mikker: I know it makes no sense...I just hope they weren't executed because they're not evil (and they're also some of my favorite characters! That's not a reason, of course Ack )
Thank you very much for the answers, agan! ^^ (I must resign.... Sadshoe )
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Croik, here's a link to the Death Penalty stuff you wrote up back when the site and forums were new, and reaked of bleach, bubblewrap, and citric acid.

http://z11.invisionfree.com/court_recor ... wtopic=100

This topic comes up more or less often. You might want to build a page for this.
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I hope they don't, but I have a strong feeling they do. Maybe the accidental ones are less harsh and just get life or something ^^;
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It's definitely there and definitely used on serial murders, as already proven in this topic.
Premediated murder, accidental murder, etc. probably come into play, but I'm not sure to what degree or what the effects of them are on the sentence.
There are a few lines that suggest single murder CAN lead to execution, and that it doesn't always.

Spoiler: minor 1-5, major 2-3 spoilers
In 1-5, Edgeworth said some line about Lana "paying for her rashness with her life"...however, that could be taken symbolically or just to exaggerate or etc.

He also says at the end of 2-3 something about not being too harsh on Acro...suggesting that it's not a GIVEN that a single murder gets executed.


I believe someone mentioned Insanity in this topic...? The DL-6 incident proves that insanity has some effect. Of course, the DL-6 happened 15 years before the game so a lot could have changed.

In the end it's hard to tell. Most of these are throw-away comments we can probably take with a grain of salt, however we don't have much else to go on. The fact is that despite PW being a game about lawyers, the legal system itself plays little to no part in the game. It is an interesting thing to think about, though.

Summary of my beliefs: Serial murder=execution. Single murder=possible execution.
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That old thread cracks me up. Sure, let's argue what constitutes "murder" while letting the testimonies of dead people and parrots fly.
Anyway, if it's not outright stated one way or the other, it's open to speculation. It's hard to predict one way or the other because the legal system is friggin loopy in these games.

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I thought some sentences or actions were strange, if we presume death penalty exists in PW.

Spoiler:
Regina says she'll wait 'till Bat wakes up, so he'll be able to meet his brother Acro again...Phoenix doesn't say anything about Acro's condition (he doesn't think Bat will never meet Acro again), while he's usually upset 'cause of Regina's ingenuity (for example, she isn't too much sad for his father's death because she's sure he's become a star...)
Maybe it doesn't prove anything......

Another thing which made me perplexed...
Why is Matt Enguarde so scary to be declared not guilty, if he'll die because of death penalty?


They're only assumptions...however, as SilverZephyr said, there aren't likely unique and precise rules. Of course the most important thing isn't the legal system, in PW (fortunately)!

PS: thank you for welcome, Iskander!! Maya Fey
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Mystical Werby wrote:
I thought some sentences or actions were strange, if we presume death penalty exists in PW.

Spoiler:
Regina says she'll wait 'till Bat wakes up, so he'll be able to meet his brother Acro again...Phoenix doesn't say anything about Acro's condition (he doesn't think Bat will never meet Acro again), while he's usually upset 'cause of Regina's ingenuity (for example, she isn't too much sad for his father's death because she's sure he's become a star...)
Maybe it doesn't prove anything......

Another thing which made me perplexed...
Why is Matt Enguarde so scary to be declared not guilty, if he'll die because of death penalty?


They're only assumptions...however, as SilverZephyr said, there aren't likely unique and precise rules. Of course the most important thing isn't the legal system, in PW (fortunately)!

PS: thank you for welcome, Iskander!! Maya Fey


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Well if he got the not guilty verdict Shelly would be after him for not trusting him. But if we are to belive that if you get guilty you get death than he would still die no matter what verdict. So maybe some people get execution and maybe others just get life in jail.


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To answer your last question Mystical Werby, you missed one of the best gags of the game^^

Spoiler: Justice for all!
:enguard: Matt betrayed Shelly the killer! Shelly And when someones betrays him...that person becomes his next prey!! So he favors 100 times to be in a warm prison( or be executed^^'') than live in the fear of being tracked by a professional killer who never misses a victim!!! XD


I really like this one! XD
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Well if he got the not guilty verdict Shelly would be after him for not trusting him. But if we are to belive that if you get guilty you get death than he would still die no matter what verdict. So maybe some people get execution and maybe others just get life in jail.


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Well, Matt didnt physically kill Juan, but ordered the killing so I say life in prison is better...I doubt they would execute him..

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Well if he got the not guilty verdict Shelly would be after him for not trusting him. But if we are to belive that if you get guilty you get death than he would still die no matter what verdict. So maybe some people get execution and maybe others just get life in jail.


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Well, Matt didnt physically kill Juan, but ordered the killing so I say life in prison is better...I doubt they would execute him..


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According to Wikipedia:
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Both the actual killer or hitman and his customer can be found guilty of homicide. In some jurisdictions with capital punishment, a contract killing may be a special circumstance that allows for a murder to be tried as a capital crime.
Of course, this is present day and Phoenix Wright is in TEH FUTURE!1!, but there is precedent.
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Spoiler: 2-4
Breaking into prison is something that Shelly de Killer would probably not have too much of a hard time doing, and considering his work ethic I'm certain that Matt is dead one way or the other.
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Iskander wrote:
Spoiler: 2-4
Breaking into prison is something that Shelly de Killer would probably not have too much of a hard time doing, and considering his work ethic I'm certain that Matt is dead one way or the other.



Spoiler: 2-4
It might be not that hard for him, but it's an unnecessary risk that I'm sure he is not willing to take.

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Maybe Matt thought that being executed would be a less painful death than what de Killer had in store for him?

It seems likely that premeditated murder is an almost definite death sentence, but one thing bothers me. If memory serves, in case 1-5, Phoenix and Maya think its a big deal that Darke got the death penalty (and this is before they find out that it was on forged evidence). If anyone who commits a premeditated murder gets the death penalty, then why is it shocking that a serial killer would?

Also, its unclear whether a second degree murder (unplanned, but intentional murder) gets the death penalty, but it seems likely.

Spoiler: Case 1-4
Just look at Manfred von Karma. Multiple quotes in JFA strongly imply that he's dead, but he was only ever actually convicted in one murder (unless he later confessed to having a hand in Hammond's death; not likely), and killing Gregory Edgeworth was an unplanned, spur of the moment decision. Almost certainly second degree murder. Then again, maybe he just died of grief (or a heart attack) after he was caught and his perfect record was broken.

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Wooster wrote:
Croik, here's a link to the Death Penalty stuff you wrote up back when the site and forums were new, and reaked of bleach, bubblewrap, and citric acid.

http://z11.invisionfree.com/court_recor ... wtopic=100

This topic comes up more or less often. You might want to build a page for this.

Second. I'm in favor for having a "Game Laws" page on CR
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I didn't forget Matt's words, of course (they're too funny! :P) ... but I thought he was too calm, as the other guilties. I just got this impression.

Maybe he was really executed...after all we cannot be totally sure, especially concerning some guilties...their execution isn't absolute certain, at least.

The strangest thing was guilties' quiet (of course they weren't happy, but weren't despairing too), in my opinion...
It can be a simple sensation, of course! Perhaps in PW death penalty exists for every type of murder and for every circumstance.

@The Greg: actually, Phoenix&Maya's surprise made me perplexed too! Why were they so shocked because of death penalty for a serial killer (we're not talking about a single murder, but a serial killer......)? It should be normal (even if cruel), more than death penalty for a single murder. Why weren't they so surprised when the others were found guilties?
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