Did anyone expect... (2-4 SPOILERS)

Thu Apr 19, 2007 10:39 pm

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... that the suicide note was a fake before the writing analysis? It hit me completely out of left field when Edgeworth reported it was fake. Did anyone see that coming, or did you anticipate it beforehand?

Re: Did anyone expect... (2-4 SPOILERS)

Thu Apr 19, 2007 11:05 pm

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I never suspected it for a second. In fact, the idea that the handwriting might be a forgery never crossed my mind. That's why I was baffled when Mia suggested that I present a piece of evidence that Edgeworth should have looked into.

I was dumb to not realize she was talking about the suicide note. I wasn't too surprised that the note was a fake (you could say I saw it coming) but it did strike me as odd.

Re: Did anyone expect... (2-4 SPOILERS)

Thu Apr 19, 2007 11:10 pm

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I suspected it because of how scripted and predictable the case was going to be at the end. (I didn't expect the last three evidence comming in, but I expected the current evidence was going to be fishy and all) XD

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Re: Did anyone expect... (2-4 SPOILERS)

Fri Apr 20, 2007 12:38 am

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I figured it out when Mia said that there was a piece of evidence that needed to be looked into. Well, at least, I figured it out after I figured out that the piece of evidence that Mia was talking about was the suicide note.

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Re: Did anyone expect... (2-4 SPOILERS)

Fri Apr 20, 2007 5:37 am

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I knew that that was the evidence that Mia was talking about, mostly because it was the most recent piece of evidence and therefore was the most likely for her to be talking about at that time. I hadn't thought about the handwriting being fake, mostly because I honestly didn't see why it mattered. I really don't see why everyone was like "LE GASP!" when Phoenix said that it was possible that Engaurde knew the suicide note was fake. Seriously, who CARES? That's merely a POSSIBILITY, just as the fact that Engaurde knew there was a suicide note in the first place was a possibility. It's not like Engaurde had cameras set up to fly around and follow Corrida every single place he went. Really, all Corrida had to do was step outside his house and write the suicide note on a park bench or something and Engaurde would have never known.

Re: Did anyone expect... (2-4 SPOILERS)

Fri Apr 20, 2007 2:45 pm

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I didn't expect it for two reasons:

#1: It wasn't in my instinct or custom to "play foul". It's something I would have expected Franziska or Edgeworth to have pulled, but it's not something Wright is usually forced into (hey, it seemed cheap at the time, all things considered).

#2: I had hoped for that possibility, but I had remembered a line Edgeworth said in the opening of the case: "she had traces of ink on her finger". From this, I thought it was already established for fact that Celeste had written the note. Silly me. Yanni Yogi

Thumbs up, this had to be the best "mystery" part of the second day; mystery as in deciding the facts, play of mental wit.

Though to be honest, what I thought was overlooked was the absence of a transmitter. It was the exact same kind as the one Engarde used to spy on Corrida and De Killer with, so a transmitter should have been present too; otherwise, there was no way of Engarde knowing. I guess that was just taken for granted.

Re: Did anyone expect... (2-4 SPOILERS)

Fri Apr 20, 2007 6:45 pm

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Quote:

Did anyone see that coming

I didn't see it coming at all! It was pretty cool that Edgeworth made a mistake though ^^

Re: Did anyone expect... (2-4 SPOILERS)

Fri Apr 20, 2007 7:06 pm

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I suspected it from the time when they asked you which you wanted to examine, actually. Mostly because I had read a detective book which had a part on handwriting analysis.

Re: Did anyone expect... (2-4 SPOILERS)

Sat Apr 21, 2007 8:22 am

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I suspected the transmitter at first. My logic was that, sure, Engarde had set up the camera in the first place... but what if the footage was being sent to someone else, such as De Killer (or even Andrews, although I thought that would be unlikely since the camera had Engarde's fingerprints)? It would mark Engarde as an accomplice, but it would contradict Edgeworth's claim that Engarde had been spying on the victim.

In hindsight, we already knew about it from the video archive in Engarde's mansion, and Edgeworth would probably have brought back some proof after the police invesitagted the area, so it was a weak argument after all.

The note was my second choice simply because it was the newest piece of evidence. I actually thought that Mia meant to investigate the claims on the note (I figured that Celeste was probably lying because she was bitter towards Engarde), even though it would have little to no impact on the trial. It hadn't even occured to me to do a handwriting analysis.

Re: Did anyone expect... (2-4 SPOILERS)

Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:05 pm

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I was so suprised when I knew the note was a fake!!!OO I was so confused it was horribly funny XD
I didn't saw it coming because of the fact that there was ink on her fingers...and that everything in the case was so focused on it that I thought it couldn,t be a fake at all!!

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Re: Did anyone expect... (2-4 SPOILERS)

Sat Apr 28, 2007 12:35 am

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Think0028 wrote:

Did anyone see that coming, or did you anticipate it beforehand?

Possibly: I had spoilered myself beforehand so I knew the note was fake. However, I would have found it hard to believe that Celeste would have only hammered Matt in the note: Juan would would have taken at least some of the flak as well, which is why he would hide it in the first place and, even though he would be the Nickel Samurai, I would doubt that Juan would want to drag his own name through the mud as well so I wouldn't dismiss it being a fake.

Re: Did anyone expect... (2-4 SPOILERS)

Sun Apr 29, 2007 5:20 pm

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I didn't expect it because loads of people had already seen her writing; quite obviously Matt and Adrian would be able to recognise her writing and would have been able to tell if it was fake, so I thought Juan would be smart enough to not write a note in his own writing, you know?
If he held the press conference and used the suicide note, Matt would be able to identify the writing as Juan's (or at least not Celeste's - he has that signed photograph, after all) and announce the entire conference as a sham, ruining Juan's reputation. Plus, the Judge himself comments that the writing on the note is distinctive "Ms. Impax certianly had beautiful handwriting", so as soon as Adrian saw it, she'd probably go nuts at Juan for desecrating her ~~lover's~~ mentor's memory like that.

My thoughts, anyways.

Re: Did anyone expect... (2-4 SPOILERS)

Sun Apr 29, 2007 6:05 pm

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NO YA DON'T SAY!!! *sarcasm*
Only joking. I sorta suspected it when Mia said that there was one last thing to be looked into

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Re: Did anyone expect... (2-4 SPOILERS)

Tue May 01, 2007 7:21 pm

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yah, know, maybe Celeste DID write a sucide note. As it was said before, she probably would have talked about Juan on her note, not just Matt. So I think that Juan found the note, burned it, and then wrote a new note only talking about Matt, to use to ruin Matt at the press confrence.

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Re: Did anyone expect... (2-4 SPOILERS)

Wed May 02, 2007 12:44 pm

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SilverZephyr wrote:

I knew that that was the evidence that Mia was talking about, mostly because it was the most recent piece of evidence and therefore was the most likely for her to be talking about at that time. I hadn't thought about the handwriting being fake, mostly because I honestly didn't see why it mattered. I really don't see why everyone was like "LE GASP!" when Phoenix said that it was possible that Engaurde knew the suicide note was fake. Seriously, who CARES? That's merely a POSSIBILITY, just as the fact that Engaurde knew there was a suicide note in the first place was a possibility. It's not like Engaurde had cameras set up to fly around and follow Corrida every single place he went. Really, all Corrida had to do was step outside his house and write the suicide note on a park bench or something and Engaurde would have never known.

True to an extent. But that the Spy Camera in Corrida's house was the only way Engarde could have known, meant that it must have been more than just possibility; when there's only one possibility, it's generally taken as fact (in the prosecution's argument, the evidence to support that this is what Matt did, is that he got De Killer to bring out the figurine). ~~Mia's~~ Phoenix's argument that the note was fake did have an impact in that it scratched Edgeworth's case: it was too flawed to accept readily as fact. According to what the court knew, Engarde may/probably had no motive to do what he did at all.

But yes, where Corrida removed/inserted the note into the figurine was a mystery too. I presumed it was from a faraway position from the camera (hence supporting how I didn't foresee it). Then again, there's no saying that he didn't check on it once alone, though not much reason either...

Hm.