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quick question. did mia, maya or pearls know that they were related to dahlia and iris? if so when?
did they know during 3-1? and/or 3-5?
i dont think maya or pearls knew but did they ever find out?
who? what? when? where? why? how?
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Mia would have known. The twins left Kurain when they were eight, and Mia is -- I think -- four years older than them. Maya would have been... two? And Pearl wasn't born yet. Misty left not long after and I imagine Morgan wouldn't have talked about it, which leaves Mia. She probably talked to Maya about Dahlia after 3-4.

But I don't think Mia knew where Iris was, or anything about what happened. I think Misty kept tabs on the situation and had some contact with Bikini, but she's the only one. And after 3-5 I imagine Maya knows everything and will probably explain it to Pearl as best she can.

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This whole topic needs to be marked for spoilers.
Spoiler: 3-4, 3-5
Mia probably was aware that Morgan had two other children (as was mentioned she was old enough when they left to remember them), but she clearly doesn't recognize Dahlia in 3-4 which isn't a huge shock considering that she may have known they were around but had no reason to connect Dahlia (and later Iris) to her family. It had been a long time since they last met and I doubt her first thought upon seeing either was "We must be related." Maya wouldn't have known unless Mia told her when they spoke at the end of 3-5 as she was to young and Pearl states multiple times that she's an only child. Morgan probably no longer considered the twins a part of her family as their spiritual power was not strong enough to help her take back the position of Master.

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dammit. i knew i forgot something when i was making this thread, tagging for spoilers. :nick-sweat:
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Hit the edit button for the first post and in the spot for the title you add a spoiler warning.
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Mia probably knew, I doubt Maya did. Either way, both would not recognize Iris or Dahlia.
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I don't think they knew pearls for example didnt due to what the note morgan left to her that didn't mention anything else about another person in the plan
Maya didn't seem to know anything
Mia seem to know something just because of the way she was acting and such.
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Pearl definately didn't know, she specifically says she had no idea who Dahlia was and she'd have less reason to know Iris.

Maya might have known if Mia told her after Dahlia's exorcism, but of course that depends on whether or not Mia knew. I doubt she would have anyway though, Maya had enough on her mind and that just wasn't very important information to her at the time.

Mia...might have been able to figure it out, but if she had, she didn't really give any indication of it.
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Well..it's not like the game wants us to know...really...stop with the confusion,Capcom!
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There wasn't really any evidence showing that they knew.
Pearl is the one mostly related to her, but she didn't even know they existed until later on in 3-5.
I'm sure if Mia were around longer, she would have eventually found out. She was an intelligent character.
As for Maya, I'm not sure. It can go any way with her, but as far as I know, she didn't know.

The one that's most likely to know is Mia.

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I think Mia might have known, in the pursuit of her Vendetta against Dahlia, she would have done a background check, find out about her, who her mother was and such. However, the way she acts around her would lead me to believe that A) she doesn’t know, or B) She doesn’t give a crap, and probably doesn’t consider her to be related to her.
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I don't know if Mia knew Dahlia but I think Dahlia recognized her in Turnabout Beginnings. Before her first cross examination she said to Mia something like _so you are...
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I think Mia knew, but it was probably impossible for her to recognize her, considering she was a child when she was taken away and didn't know her new last name. I'm sure Dahlia remembered her, since she said something along the lines of, "So you are..." when the judge cut her off for her testimony in 3-1. Not sure about Maya. I don't think Pearl could have known since she was born after they were taken away, and I doubt anyone talked to her about it.
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3-4.

I still think Dahlia didn't really know who Mia was at first, but the magatama around her neck rang some bells. Then, of course, everything clicked when Mia gave her name.
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That was never stated, but it's certainly possible. Misty's family taking over as the main branch did lead to Dahlia's family breaking apart.
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Dahlia didn't care about her family or anyone but herself. Her hatred against Mia stemmed from the fact that she was the one who finally got her convicted and executed. That much is stated in the game.
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Dahlia didn't care about her family or anyone but herself. Her hatred against Mia stemmed from the fact that she was the one who finally got her convicted and executed. That much is stated in the game.

By Dahlia? She lies quite a bit.
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That may be true, but there's more than enough to support it in the game.
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She cared about her sister. It may have been a somewhat twisted sort of love, but it was there.
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She cares about her sister? Where on earth would you get that idea? She did nothing but use her! She was willing to involve her in all her schemes, tried to kill the man she was in love with, and even planned to have her take the fall for killing Maya! And she even locked her up in that freezing cavern, where she could have been killed. Not to mention it was her who suggested abandoning her in the first place. What gives you the idea she cared for her even a little bit?O_O :yuusaku:
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First of all, I don't buy the "8-year-old Dahlia conned her father into abandoning her twin sister" story.

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Easy. She testified against Maya in 3-5.

Dahlia admits that the plan was to frame Iris. So why did she try to deflect blame away from Iris to Maya? She thought Maya was dead, so what would the point be in framing a dead person for murder when she could easily take her twin down instead?
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I would assume it was to further hurt Mia. On top of killing Maya, she could label her as not only a killer, but the killer of her own mother. Besides, it was a bit of a risk to claim that Iris had done it, in case Pheonix was able to prove otherwise, which he was, in fact, able to. I doubt protecting her sister was in her mind at all. Also, she was pretending to be Iris at the time. If she confessed, then left the body, she presumed Pearl would be left behind, since that was whom she believed had channeled her. That would render the confession useless. Especially since the real Iris was hidden away at the temple and would be found at any moment.
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That explanation revolves on a lot of assumptions and completely ignores the very simple fact that while Morgan's plan called for framing Iris for murder, Dahlia took conscious actions that shifted blame away from Iris.

This is getting very off-topic, though. Mia does a much better job of explaining my viewpoint in this thread here, we should probably move there if we're going to continue this.
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I would assume it was to further hurt Mia. On top of killing Maya, she could label her as not only a killer, but the killer of her own mother. Besides, it was a bit of a risk to claim that Iris had done it, in case Pheonix was able to prove otherwise, which he was, in fact, able to. I doubt protecting her sister was in her mind at all. Also, she was pretending to be Iris at the time. If she confessed, then left the body, she presumed Pearl would be left behind, since that was whom she believed had channeled her. That would render the confession useless. Especially since the real Iris was hidden away at the temple and would be found at any moment.


Dahlia claims it was self-defense. That isn't going to label Maya as a murderer, but a victim caught up in tragic circumstances beyond her control. It's clear that Dahlia had originally planned to pin the crime on Iris for her "betrayal" all those years before, but when put into the perfect situation to finish the job, Dahlia chooses to swing the blame away from her sister. Dahlia just couldn't pin the blame on her sister, whom she did still love even if it was in a rather twisted way by this point, and so she tries to save her. Finding Iris was not an issue because a confession would have taken no time at all, recall that she had put up five locks, and then all Dahlia has to do is break away (Easily done as she probably wouldn't have been too concerned about what could happen to the body she was inhabiting and we know that Dahlia is resourceful as well as being very intelligent. Besides, this would make things even worse for Iris which would make her revenge against her sister more complete) and switch places with Iris. Dahlia doesn't though. Why? Because she still cares for her sister. I agree that this is the wrong thread for this though, so if you wish to continue this, we can do it in the other thread.
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Hmm... there's a possibility that Mia may have known. But Maya.... um... *tries to work out ages* okay... well... Maya was probably too young... I think... and Pearl knowing would defy all logic.
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were getting just a wee bit off topic here. i dont want any bad blood going on in the forums so try to take it easy ok guys? i saw what happened in the other thread and it wasnt too pretty.

as for mia, i think she was most likely the one who knew the truth before pearl and maya. i just dont understand why she didnt choose to tell them while they were growing up even though she might've had even the smallest memory of who iris and dahlia were.
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I actually think it is a bit impossible to know at this point, actually...it's not like they told each other: "Hey, dont I know you from somewhere?" But, all this family relation was a bit of a surprise to me, as to everyone that found out about Dahlia and Iris's relationship to the Feys, I wager...

So, didnt they leave the village when they were very...very young?( I havent played the game, so that's why I'm asking) How would Mia know if she was like five or four years old at that time, considering that both twins were at least a year or so younger than Phoenix, that was two or three years younger than Mia, know who they were of the bat like that? It's not like she'll ask her aunt about it...which I believe she didnt do...but then again, it is a game...it could pretty much still happen.
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I think Mia might have known, in the pursuit of her Vendetta against Dahlia, she would have done a background check, find out about her, who her mother was and such.


Edgeworth's background check on Iris didn't turn up her connection to Dahlia, or Morgan, so I doubt looking into Dahlia would have turned Morgan and Iris up, or the files would have been cross-referenced, so Edgey could find the connection. (On the other hand, Edgey is about the only person in the Prosecutors Office or Police Department who is neither corrupt nor incompetent, so it's not entirely impossible.)

Of course, the mother-daughter relationship between Morgan and Dahlia is important to her plan to kill Maya, so someone knew at some point, but it may have been a matter of them telling the guards and that making it easier to confirm.

Maya and Pearls obviously didn't know. Mia...it's really a confusing situation. She did have an opportunity to learn, but it really doesn't feel like she knew.
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That was never stated, but it's certainly possible. Misty's family taking over as the main branch did lead to Dahlia's family breaking apart.


Nah, by that part she didn't care about anything but herself.

Anyways, I think Mia probably knew, but not at 3-4. However, she would have researched her after that with Diego and found out during that
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Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
That was never stated, but it's certainly possible. Misty's family taking over as the main branch did lead to Dahlia's family breaking apart.


Nah, by that part she didn't care about anything but herself.

I already discussed that. :yuusaku:
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