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I just wanna know why people feel like they have to be assholes over a pairing D:
I feel like that was directed to me. D:
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Now see, I don't get why people are so vehemently opposed to this pair.
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Oos wrote:
I just wanna know why people feel like they have to be assholes over a pairing D:
I feel like that was directed to me. D:
No, but I have seen several people bitch me the fuck out for it DX
And Toby: because people absolutely NEVER pair up people who hate each other, amirite?
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And Toby: because people absolutely NEVER pair up people who hate each other, amirite?
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And Toby: because people absolutely NEVER pair up people who hate each other, amirite?
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No kidding.
I just wanna know why people chose THIS particular pairing to give anyone who supports it crap about. I can pair up who I damn well please, as can anyone else, but for some reason there are just people in the fandom that didn't get the memo. (not to mention it makes a lot more sense than some of the other pairs people support. D:)
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Oos wrote:
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Oos wrote:
And Toby: because people absolutely NEVER pair up people who hate each other, amirite?
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No kidding.
I just wanna know why people chose THIS particular pairing to give anyone who supports it crap about. I can pair up who I damn well please, as can anyone else, but for some reason there are just people in the fandom that didn't get the memo. (not to mention it makes a lot more sense than some of the other pairs people support. D:)
Perhaps...I can help with this?
A good example of a Love-Hate pairing would be a couple like Kyouya and Ema from GS4.
Spoiler: GS4 Spoiler
But because that hatred has the possibility to hide a masque, creative license drives people to connect possible hidden dots. People who hate each other are in some weird light meant to love one another somehow. People like pairing the odd and obscure, because quite possibly, the complications and obstacles that come with the pairing make it a lot more interesting.
Don't believe me? Well here's another example. I find the Phoenix/Edgeworth pairing quite boring, because its just so canon. But pair Phoenix with someone odd like Larry or completely opposite of him like Franziska, all of the sudden, the pairing becomes interesting because it breaks what the game would lead you to believe.
That's just what I've noticed. And if that was just not the issue, the pardon my intrusion.
As far as criticism goes, with any game, humans will err it up, and some hold "their pairings" like possessions. And with any possession, one gets insulted if their possession is deemed inadequate.
Its more of a human nature thing really--no big deal, eh?
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Enter The Jaws Theme wrote:
Perhaps...I can help with this?
A good example of a Love-Hate pairing would be a couple like Kyouya and Ema from GS4.
But because that hatred has the possibility to hide a masque, creative license drives people to connect possible hidden dots. People who hate each other are in some weird light meant to love one another somehow. People like pairing the odd and obscure, because quite possibly, the complications and obstacles that come with the pairing make it a lot more interesting.
Don't believe me? Well here's another example. I find the Phoenix/Edgeworth pairing quite boring, because its just so canon. But pair Phoenix with someone odd like Larry or completely opposite of him like Franziska, all of the sudden, the pairing becomes interesting because it breaks what the game would lead you to believe.
That's just what I've noticed. And if that was just not the issue, the pardon my intrusion.
As far as criticism goes, with any game, humans will err it up, and some hold "their pairings" like possessions. And with any possession, one gets insulted if their possession is deemed inadequate.
Its more of a human nature thing really--no big deal, eh?
A good example of a Love-Hate pairing would be a couple like Kyouya and Ema from GS4.
Spoiler: GS4 Spoiler
But because that hatred has the possibility to hide a masque, creative license drives people to connect possible hidden dots. People who hate each other are in some weird light meant to love one another somehow. People like pairing the odd and obscure, because quite possibly, the complications and obstacles that come with the pairing make it a lot more interesting.
Don't believe me? Well here's another example. I find the Phoenix/Edgeworth pairing quite boring, because its just so canon. But pair Phoenix with someone odd like Larry or completely opposite of him like Franziska, all of the sudden, the pairing becomes interesting because it breaks what the game would lead you to believe.
That's just what I've noticed. And if that was just not the issue, the pardon my intrusion.
As far as criticism goes, with any game, humans will err it up, and some hold "their pairings" like possessions. And with any possession, one gets insulted if their possession is deemed inadequate.
Its more of a human nature thing really--no big deal, eh?
With that last bit, people holding their pairings like possessions, I have noticed that. :/ A bit too much lately, actually. But I won't go into that in detail.
I really rather dislike 'canon' pairings, (one of those being Ron/Dessie) or even really popular ones...because it doesn't require much thought. I'd much prefer a pairing you have to really think about to understand.
Like with my pairing of Luke x Richard, I've brought it up and had people go DAHR THAT'S REALLY RANDOM ^____^ when if you think about it, it's not all that random. :/ But people get all defensive over their idea of pairings and it's ridiculous. NEEDS MOAR CREATIVITY.
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With that last bit, people holding their pairings like possessions, I have noticed that. :/ A bit too much lately, actually. But I won't go into that in detail.
I really rather dislike 'canon' pairings, (one of those being Ron/Dessie) or even really popular ones...because it doesn't require much thought. I'd much prefer a pairing you have to really think about to understand.
Like with my pairing of Luke x Richard, I've brought it up and had people go DAHR THAT'S REALLY RANDOM ^____^ when if you think about it, it's not all that random. :/ But people get all defensive over their idea of pairings and it's ridiculous. NEEDS MOAR CREATIVITY.
I really rather dislike 'canon' pairings, (one of those being Ron/Dessie) or even really popular ones...because it doesn't require much thought. I'd much prefer a pairing you have to really think about to understand.
Like with my pairing of Luke x Richard, I've brought it up and had people go DAHR THAT'S REALLY RANDOM ^____^ when if you think about it, it's not all that random. :/ But people get all defensive over their idea of pairings and it's ridiculous. NEEDS MOAR CREATIVITY.
Actually, I respect you for that pairing, because when I saw it, ta hell with trying to put it together in my head! And THAT'S why I like it, it DOES require thought, and if you try really hard, it works...sorta...kinda...er...
okay, so I'm still trying, BUT YOU GET IT.Crack pairing sometimes end up being diamonds in the rough. A partner and I make a couple obscure ones work out quite well, so I'm no stranger. NEEDS MOAR CRACK in my opinion.
And your siggy makes the pairing look romantic even ^//^ Kudos to you, friend! Totally agree!
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Oos wrote:
With that last bit, people holding their pairings like possessions, I have noticed that. :/ A bit too much lately, actually. But I won't go into that in detail.
I really rather dislike 'canon' pairings, (one of those being Ron/Dessie) or even really popular ones...because it doesn't require much thought. I'd much prefer a pairing you have to really think about to understand.
Like with my pairing of Luke x Richard, I've brought it up and had people go DAHR THAT'S REALLY RANDOM ^____^ when if you think about it, it's not all that random. :/ But people get all defensive over their idea of pairings and it's ridiculous. NEEDS MOAR CREATIVITY.
I really rather dislike 'canon' pairings, (one of those being Ron/Dessie) or even really popular ones...because it doesn't require much thought. I'd much prefer a pairing you have to really think about to understand.
Like with my pairing of Luke x Richard, I've brought it up and had people go DAHR THAT'S REALLY RANDOM ^____^ when if you think about it, it's not all that random. :/ But people get all defensive over their idea of pairings and it's ridiculous. NEEDS MOAR CREATIVITY.
Actually, I respect you for that pairing, because when I saw it, ta hell with trying to put it together in my head! And THAT'S why I like it, it DOES require thought, and if you try really hard, it works...sorta...kinda...er...
okay, so I'm still trying, BUT YOU GET IT.Crack pairing sometimes end up being diamonds in the rough. A partner and I make a couple obscure ones work out quite well, so I'm no stranger. NEEDS MOAR CRACK in my opinion.
And your siggy makes the pairing look romantic even ^//^ Kudos to you, friend! Totally agree!
*bows* Thank you! X3
See, people have this way, I've found, of going OMG LOL THESE TWO CHARACTERS NEVER MET SO ITD NEVER WORK OUT :C ...if they have personalities that you think would work together, who's to say they WOULDN'T work out? People need to realize that canon is NOT the be-all and end-all. Canon is a sort of guideline showing some events in the storyline and the way characters react to them. That's all. It's not the bible, you will not be smote for going against it or whatever. Hell, some fan ideas go WITH canon. (like me thinking that Luke and Richard could have shared a jail cell in prison and such. Now, if you believe some of the fan-created events going AGAINST canon happened IN canon, then that's a little ridiculous unless you have a really good explanation.
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I just wanna know why people chose THIS particular pairing to give anyone who supports it crap about. I can pair up who I damn well please, as can anyone else, but for some reason there are just people in the fandom that didn't get the memo. (not to mention it makes a lot more sense than some of the other pairs people support. D:)
Alright, I won't give you any bullshit for supporting Luke/Richard or Luke/Ron.
In return, I get to make fun of said pairings as much as I want, writing parodies about why they will never work out, saying things like "this pairing sucks my left nut." or "This is my NOTP". I also get to call Richard a cocky fuckwit and Luke a pointy-nosed twat.
However, if you want to support them, it's your call. However, don't expect people not to blast the pairings.
I yell "OBJECTION!" in the court sometimes!
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Alright, I won't give you any bullshit for supporting Luke/Richard or Luke/Ron.
In return, I get to make fun of said pairings as much as I want, writing parodies about why they will never work out, saying things like "this pairing sucks my left nut." or "This is my NOTP". I also get to call Richard a cocky fuckwit and Luke a pointy-nosed twat.
However, if you want to support them, it's your call. However, don't expect people not to blast the pairings.
In return, I get to make fun of said pairings as much as I want, writing parodies about why they will never work out, saying things like "this pairing sucks my left nut." or "This is my NOTP". I also get to call Richard a cocky fuckwit and Luke a pointy-nosed twat.
However, if you want to support them, it's your call. However, don't expect people not to blast the pairings.
Sir, need I remind you that this thread is specifically for pairing encouragement, not discouragement.
You are free to your opinion, but is it not more suited in the Least Liked thread?
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{CI}Jackie Estacado wrote:
Oos wrote:
I just wanna know why people chose THIS particular pairing to give anyone who supports it crap about. I can pair up who I damn well please, as can anyone else, but for some reason there are just people in the fandom that didn't get the memo. (not to mention it makes a lot more sense than some of the other pairs people support. D:)
Alright, I won't give you any bullshit for supporting Luke/Richard or Luke/Ron.
In return, I get to make fun of said pairings as much as I want, writing parodies about why they will never work out, saying things like "this pairing sucks my left nut." or "This is my NOTP". I also get to call Richard a cocky fuckwit and Luke a pointy-nosed twat.
However, if you want to support them, it's your call. However, don't expect people not to blast the pairings.
Except no, because that's not what I do to other people's pairings. It ain't right to do such things unless the person in question is being a total asshat themself. Did....you even read my previous posts, or did you decide you wanted to just say things you knew were gonna piss me off for no reason?
We're not getting into how Richard acts here, or I'll end up saying things I shouldn't about a wealth of other characters in return because I'm horrible at reacting to things like that D:
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That, and I was merely responding to Oos, nothing more.
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{CI}Jackie Estacado wrote:
No, this topic is for debating pairings and why they work or why they fail, not just "this pairing rocks and here's my ten page essay as to why".
That, and I was merely responding to Oos, nothing more.
That, and I was merely responding to Oos, nothing more.
Alright sir, I will grant you that much. However, you could have been a bit more civil to your approach.
Instead of spitting your vulgar phrases, you could have merely said "I'm sorry, but I disagree with that choice because ___ "
We can do without such confrontation, can we not?
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Don't believe me? Well here's another example. I find the Phoenix/Edgeworth pairing quite boring, because its just so canon.
I'm not involved in this, but this comment annoys me. Phoenix/Edgeworth is a popular pairing, but its certainly not canon. Canon applies to only those pairing which are explicitly stated in the game and this one is certainly not. Please don't start claiming pairings are canon when they aren't.
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Enter The Jaws Theme wrote:
{CI}Jackie Estacado wrote:
No, this topic is for debating pairings and why they work or why they fail, not just "this pairing rocks and here's my ten page essay as to why".
That, and I was merely responding to Oos, nothing more.
That, and I was merely responding to Oos, nothing more.
Alright sir, I will grant you that much. However, you could have been a bit more civil to your approach.
Instead of spitting your vulgar phrases, you could have merely said "I'm sorry, but I disagree with that choice because ___ "
We can do without such confrontation, can we not?
I have to agree with Enter The Jaws Theme on this one. It can be resolved with just a: I don't agree with your choice because...
But I do see how Luke X Ron is possible. Sure, he manipulated Ron for his own good, but he helped out Ron too with that. And why did Ron put up with it? Why to help Dessie out!
While it might not make sence to many to be a loving relationship between the two...It's definetly a bit of a symbiotic relationship where they both benefit from it...
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Oos wrote:
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Oos wrote:
I just wanna know why people chose THIS particular pairing to give anyone who supports it crap about. I can pair up who I damn well please, as can anyone else, but for some reason there are just people in the fandom that didn't get the memo. (not to mention it makes a lot more sense than some of the other pairs people support. D:)
Alright, I won't give you any bullshit for supporting Luke/Richard or Luke/Ron.
In return, I get to make fun of said pairings as much as I want, writing parodies about why they will never work out, saying things like "this pairing sucks my left nut." or "This is my NOTP". I also get to call Richard a cocky fuckwit and Luke a pointy-nosed twat.
However, if you want to support them, it's your call. However, don't expect people not to blast the pairings.
Except no, because that's not what I do to other people's pairings. It ain't right to do such things unless the person in question is being a total asshat themself. Did....you even read my previous posts, or did you decide you wanted to just say things you knew were gonna piss me off for no reason?
We're not getting into how Richard acts here, or I'll end up saying things I shouldn't about a wealth of other characters in return because I'm horrible at reacting to things like that D:
Go right ahead, thrash other characters to your heart's content.
My point is: it is perfectly alright to hate a pairing and let others know about it. There's no use getting defensive. However, the moment they give other people crap for it, it's not alright.
If I sounded like an asshole, I apologize. I don't hate Wellington that much, but I do thing that Luke is overrated.
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{CI}Jackie Estacado wrote:
Go right ahead, thrash other characters to your heart's content.
My point is: it is perfectly alright to hate a pairing and let others know about it. There's no use getting defensive. However, the moment they give other people crap for it, it's not alright.
If I sounded like an asshole, I apologize. I don't hate Wellington that much, but I do thing that Luke is overrated.
I must admit you make a good point that it is ok to hate pairing and let people know. But I can understand getting defensive if someone really starts dissing and insulting it just because 'It's not possible!' or 'It would never happen' or 'That's just not right...'
If you are going insult something, have a good reason just in case someone starts fighting you on it.
Likewise, learn to accept it if someone doesn't like your opinion.
I will agree that as you said it is true that some charaters are overrated (Luke is a bit of a ham...), and that other's are underrated...but still we should learn to accept that.
If anyone is to really blame for characters and their personalities...I'd blame the game developers :)
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Oos wrote:
I just wanna know why people chose THIS particular pairing to give anyone who supports it crap about. I can pair up who I damn well please, as can anyone else, but for some reason there are just people in the fandom that didn't get the memo. (not to mention it makes a lot more sense than some of the other pairs people support. D:)
If you want to complain about people giving you crap because of what you ship, this is not the thread to do it. This was set up as a means to debate certain couples. Now, since you are the one that brought it up, here's what I think turns people off of it:
- Little interaction.
Luke and Ron didn't even really know one another. Their "partnership" was a business relationship in which they only met face to face once. That doesn't leave much open for a relationship to develop.
- A lack of feelings.
Luke set Ron up for murder. Ron didn't really seem to care that Luke was found guilty. See, you mentioned "hooking up two people that hate one another", but Luke and Ron don't even have that! Their reactions to one another are along the lines of profound personal disinterest. If Luke had tried to frame Ron because he hated him, or if Ron had acted betrayed because of what Luke did--that's something you can work with. There was nothing of the sort between them, therefore the pairing is kind of dull unless you go OOC and try to insert something that isn't there in the actual narrative.
- Ron/Dessie
They're a well done canon couple with a unique, fun interplay of contrasting personalities. It makes sense why people wouldn't want to break them up for a nebulous non-relationship.
Of course you can ship what you want. Anyone should be able to ship whatever they want without being yelled at for it. But that doesn't mean everyone is going to agree that what you ship is great. I love P/E, but that doesn't mean the rest of the fandom has to, or that they aren't allowed to express why they don't.
Also, as an aside, I don't think crack pairings are any more creative than established couples. Ron and Dessie are two people you wouldn't think would end up together, but the game itself explains why in a fun way. Likewise, I enjoy the P/E interaction I see in the game, but transfering that into actual romance is tricky and rewarding.
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Oos wrote:
I ... prefer a pairing you have to really think about to understand.
I totally agree. Half the fun of pairngs (at least for me) is merely sitting around and thinking about them.
However...
Oos wrote:
I really rather dislike 'canon' pairings, (one of those being Ron/Dessie) or even really popular ones...because it doesn't require much thought.
I'll agree that the original idea of a canon pairing being together isn't as creative as a pairing that one comes up with on their own. But to say that said pairing doesn't require as much thought... I disagree.
There's so much more to relationships then the game is able to convey. Especially for this series; the game is not centered around people's romantic relationships, therefore it is up to the player to create their own view or outlook on the pairing they chose. Given, canon pairings give a person a lot more to go off of than a completely original one, but one can't ignore the fact that thought/imagination/what have you is still required to flesh out the relationship to the point where it isn't just as deep as the game chose it to be.
So. I'll agree that less thought is required, but to say it isn't comparable to original pairing isn't giving enough credit to the canon pairing.
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Personally, I don't really like any pairings for the AA series except for Godot X Maya. I just see it that although they didn't always get along, you can tell by the end of the third game he cares. However, I'm not entirely sure I even buy it now that after a read-through of my fanfic I just found it too cheesy and annoying, and that was my own fanfic! I felt like flaming myself. It was weird.
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GRENADE!!! EVERYONE GET DOWN!!!On a serious note, I'm afraid this thread is for canon character pairings only. The realm of original characters requires a lot more effort and research on the part of all the participants in the discussions here, so I'm afraid you may want to take that to another thread altogether, where people can be expected to be more open-minded (and exhaustive) with original character discussion.
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and 
is pretty sweet (a fanfiction convinced me) i mean, they hang round together alot, Gumshoe seems to really love Miles and respect him alot and Miles could be hiding the fact he likes Gumshoe seeing as he acts all mean to him XP
and 
is pretty obvious and sweet. and 
bit S&M, you can kinda see how shes passionate towards him and hate is only a step away from love after all XD
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it's pretty unlikely, but a pretty cute pairing.
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Liquidzilla wrote:
Miles could be hiding the fact he likes Gumshoe seeing as he acts all mean to him XP
I like how this particular dynamic works for anyone Miles interacts with.
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Okay, debate time:
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I... really don't see it at all. Yeah, I guess you could go with the time honored "they tease each other so they really like each other!" but--it didn't feel like teasing. It felt way too serious to just be teasing, like getting at things that were honestly very important to each other (Ema's investigation, Klavier's brother). It came off to me as very much "Wow, these two really don't like each other."
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On the subject of nebulous pairings, I've recently been pondering Ema and Daryan. It would certainly make for a relationship with more pyrotechnics, if not fireworks. They're both obstinate and there would be more back-and-forth arguing typical to the "Slap Slap Kiss" dynamic that people seem to want to ascribe to her relationship with Klavier. (And who better than Daryan to sympathize with about working with a diva prosecutor?) It's unfortunate that Daryan got so little screentime in general, let alone interaction with Ema - he seems like he would bounce off other characters more.
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But yeah. I was disappointed in their canon interaction--I was hoping the teasing would be more...playful. And that there would be more of it. Oh well.
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MoronSonOfBoron wrote:
My beef with the Klavier/Ema pairing is that Klavier is more than likely to act like that with just about every woman he meets..
Every lady that isn't an overobsesive fangirl.
Klavier had admitted that he wanted to be a rock star for the ladies, haha. But then at the same time, he's had three platinum singles so it would he hard for Klavier to find someone who wasn't exactly a fangirl, which I think Klavi is sick of.
MoronSonOfBoron wrote:
I don't see how it's unique to his relationship to Ema, and therefore I don't see how he could have distinct feelings for her
He's been in the Gavinners for what, 12 years? Before then, he could have been screwing every girl every night into oblivion until he couldn't feel his lower body anymore. He could have very well have gotten tired of that lifestyle.
We know that Ema hates being the security at the Gavinner's concert. She wishes she could have not had anything to do with it, until the opportunity for scientific investigation presents itself, lol. We see that Ema truely has no idea who this 'glimmerous fop' is, all she knows is that he's a prosecutor and she has to work with him. And that his 'rock star persona' is annoying. Though he's somewhat naive, Klavier sees that and that's what attracts him to her. He's like the biggest modern rock star in the region, so fame definately gets in the way.
As far as the ladies we see in the series go, Alita Tiala is already taken. Trucy is still a youngin' and spent 15 years of her allowence on all that's Gavinner's. Lamiroir is 40. she's too old, and he wouldn't want to change the relationship for the world. That only leaves one person - Ema Skye.
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kristophlover967 wrote:
As far as the ladies we see in the series go, Alita Tiala is already taken. Trucy is still a youngin' and spent 15 years of her allowence on all that's Gavinner's. Lamiroir is 40. she's too old, and he wouldn't want to change the relationship for the world. That only leaves one person - Ema Skye.
Every character doesn't need to be paired with someone else...
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From this comic though, I still see them as friends who care about each other, and kind of understand that people always have some kind of facades to mask how they really feel.
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Liquidzilla wrote:
Manager of the Stars wrote:
My pairing is completely impossible but that's ok >>
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how come?
Ben Credable (PI) hit it right on the dot.
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