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Case 4: de Killer's judgement
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Of course you could throw the "it's a video game lol" argument into it. That's fine, I'm just saying this seems kind of... out of character for de Killer... which suggests bad script writing. Just pointing out a possible flaw in the game script is all.
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Blademaster_Orca wrote:
De Killer may not have trusted Phoenix, but I think de Killer would care more about his client upholding his honor than actually getting his client off the charges at that point. Even if Phoenix couldn't prove what was on the tape, there was more than enough circumstancial evidence to persuade de Killer nontheless.
The only thing that didn't make sense to me was the fact that you presented a video tape to a person who really wasn't there to see it, but now that you mention circumstancial evidence that issue does make a bit of sense after all.
I don't really think de Killer met Matt in person to trust him persay, but to make sure he wasn't getting set up by a cop or anything.
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What bugs me is that de Killer should've looked into Maya's background. I know that a lot of people don't believe in mediums, but there's the 'what if' factor.
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Ryuko wrote:
That is a good question, but then, Lawyers have a tendency to note things down if they think it will serve as good ammunition. If you recall he quoted Engarde when his true colours were displayed for the first time.
What bugs me is that de Killer should've looked into Maya's background. I know that a lot of people don't believe in mediums, but there's the 'what if' factor.
What bugs me is that de Killer should've looked into Maya's background. I know that a lot of people don't believe in mediums, but there's the 'what if' factor.
He wouldn't have had to kidnap Maya if Engarde wasn't the suspect/defendant so I'm sure kidnapping Maya was all in quick thinking to save his client.
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Oh, and to agree with the circumstantial evidence thing, Matt Engarde's credibility had frequently been brought into question throughout the trial, so de Killer would probably be less likely to take his claims over Phoenix's.
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"There 's no smoke without fire!" If the tape was a fake, why did matt didn't defend himself on the spot? could be a question that went through de killer' mind. No need to know matt much to know what kind of person he is. It's pretty hard to trust him when you know he's ready to hire a professionnal killer in order to preserve his "fresh as a spring breeze" (or something like that stuff...) and do the dirty killing for him. 
And besides, why a camera would be hid in the room without him knowing if it's not to film him?(camera with matt's fingerprints don't forget!) When you hire someone like shelly, every detail is previewed...so why matt would not talk of a camera?! it's really logic when we see events this way!^^ 
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Now if he was dehydrating her, then mayeb I would have.... Okay that is for another topic.
Anyways, I think that when Phoenix broughtup what was on teh tape, I think it just might have confirmed DeKiller's suspicsions that I think I would have had. I know if I was him, I'd be wondering why he wanted me to not look at this tape and to not let it get out of my hands. And he is a smart man, that thoguht might have been in his head, at least at one point, but pushed it back because of his trust for his clients, but hte thoguht was always there. Then he just put it al ltogether.
That is my guess.
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mario66 wrote:
Only thing that bugged me was him "starving" Maya. Yes, I know she would be weakend, but the human body can go 40 days without food, roughly give or take a few days.
de Killer said that he "had not come within a few feet of her the whole time", so she didn't get any water either. Although she WAS in a wine cellar >>;
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Maya channelled Mia several times, which probably took up a lot of strengh. Also, knowing Maya, she is used to a LOT of food, so no food will have a signifact effect on her.
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mario66 wrote:
Only thing that bugged me was him "starving" Maya. Yes, I know she would be weakend, but the human body can go 40 days without food, roughly give or take a few days.
I kin only imagine someone who trained or lived that lifestyle could endure 40 days. Someone pampered like you, me, and Maya would be very uncomfortable without food for two whole days.
As for the topic and tape, well, de Killer kidnapped Maya to force Phoenix to defend Matt. He obviously KNEW of Phoenix's skills and methods well enough to recognize him on the spot. So, naturally, if he knew a lot about Phoenix, he would know that Mr. Wright wouldn't say that tape was of him unless it truely was! Phoenix is no liar.
Also, I'm sure Shelly had that nagging thought in the back of his head about what the video tape was. He was asked to break into a secured house to retrieve it. Not destroy it, but retrieve it.
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Apeman1813 wrote:
Ryuko wrote:
That is a good question, but then, Lawyers have a tendency to note things down if they think it will serve as good ammunition. If you recall he quoted Engarde when his true colours were displayed for the first time.
What bugs me is that de Killer should've looked into Maya's background. I know that a lot of people don't believe in mediums, but there's the 'what if' factor.
What bugs me is that de Killer should've looked into Maya's background. I know that a lot of people don't believe in mediums, but there's the 'what if' factor.
He wouldn't have had to kidnap Maya if Engarde wasn't the suspect/defendant so I'm sure kidnapping Maya was all in quick thinking to save his client.
But it was Matt who told De Killer to go for Phoenix. Bearing in mind that at that point, Phoenix had a perfect win record, he figured that if Phoenix had no choice but to defend him, he'd get off the hook. He stated as much when he revealed his true colours.
Also, bearing in mind the 'séance murder' would've been plastered on the papers when it happened. It would've had to have mentioned that she was a medium.
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Ryuko wrote:
Apeman1813 wrote:
Ryuko wrote:
That is a good question, but then, Lawyers have a tendency to note things down if they think it will serve as good ammunition. If you recall he quoted Engarde when his true colours were displayed for the first time.
What bugs me is that de Killer should've looked into Maya's background. I know that a lot of people don't believe in mediums, but there's the 'what if' factor.
What bugs me is that de Killer should've looked into Maya's background. I know that a lot of people don't believe in mediums, but there's the 'what if' factor.
He wouldn't have had to kidnap Maya if Engarde wasn't the suspect/defendant so I'm sure kidnapping Maya was all in quick thinking to save his client.
But it was Matt who told De Killer to go for Phoenix. Bearing in mind that at that point, Phoenix had a perfect win record, he figured that if Phoenix had no choice but to defend him, he'd get off the hook. He stated as much when he revealed his true colours.
Also, bearing in mind the 'séance murder' would've been plastered on the papers when it happened. It would've had to have mentioned that she was a medium.
Who said Matt told him to find Phoenix? I thought that de Killer was just honoring his side of the contract which was to protect his client. It didn't seem like Matt really knew what de Killer was doing seeing as he sent Phoenix over to his house to take care of Shoe when de Killer was already doing it for him.
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As for sending Phoenix over to feed his cat remember that the door leading to Maya was locked there was no reason why he would suspect that anything was wrong with that.
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Apeman1813 wrote:
Who said Matt told him to find Phoenix? I thought that de Killer was just honoring his side of the contract which was to protect his client. It didn't seem like Matt really knew what de Killer was doing seeing as he sent Phoenix over to his house to take care of Shoe when de Killer was already doing it for him.
It came out of the horse's mouth! I can't remember when, but I remember Matt saying something along the lines of 'I knew getting you to take the case was a good idea.' Of course, the basis for Phoenix's previous cases was that he believed that his client was innocent, but Phoenix was forced to help Matt to save Maya.
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When you think about it, there are several points that click. Phoenix has, on more than one occasion, told a bluff that has turned out to be true, and I have no doubt that the press would've mentioned it (photography is not allowed while court is in session, however, there are always reporters in the crowd).-Phoenix is publicised as having a perfect win record with full acquittals, that is why Matt wanted Phoenix to defend him. He didn't know that Phoenix takes cases because he believes in his client.
There is also the points about the video tape and the circumstances of the murder that fall into place.
Matt chose the time of the hit and the place -To record the murder
De Killer was told fiercely not to watch it- Because it was planned to be used to keep him away in case he blackmailed Matt
Protect the tape at any cost- Anyone with sense would hand it over to the police, who would use it to track down De Killer. with this evidence De Killer would reveal who the client was in that particular hit.
Matt didn't object- If he did he would've been disproved pretty quickly by bringing a tape player into the courtroom.
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