More Fan-submitted updates + Timeline

Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:48 am

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Updated a pile of fanart by Silverhalo!

CR is also hosting a trio of music remixes by Enter The Jaws Theme. You can download them from the fanworks page. If you like what you hear, check out his forum thread.

I'll probably make up an actual section eventually for fan made video and audio projects, if I get more submissions (hint hint).

Also, there's an issue with the GS4 timeline that I thought I would turn out to the fandom to decide on. As I discovered when writing up the timeline the first time, the writers seemed to have had a problem with keeping things completely consistent. The first three games each take place stradling the new year, but this fact is usually not taken into account for character ages, or when the characters talk about time having passed. It's been a while since I did the calculations myself, but I think someone proved that, using the ages given and the dates of the cases, it's impossible for Edgeworth to even have a birthday given the conflict.

In any case, as far as the timeline is concerned, each game is treated as having taken place in one year, and this continues in AJ. Since T&T took place in 2018, AJ would take place in 2025, as is reflected in Phoenix's and Ema's ages. But as any good fan will tell you, the end of T&T actually happens in 2019, and therefore AJ ought to take place in 2026.

So the issue is...should CR's timeline follow the old formula, glossing over the details to keep it 2025? Or accept that the birthdays will always be a little fudged and go with the more technically accurate 2026? I know a lot of people use the timeline when debating and writing fics and such, so it's definately something I want to encourage discussion over before changing anything.

So feel free to post your thoughts in this update thread!

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Mon Mar 17, 2008 2:23 am

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Here's what the timeline looks like assuming Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney is set in 2026.

By my calculations the only age this screws up is Phoenix's, who should be 34 throughout AJ. I'll have to double-check that, though. All of the other ages check out, including Ema's, but it means that Ema has to have a January birthday which invalidates the "all the birthdays are in a four-week time period" theory.

In case you hadn't realised yet, my vote is to have the timeline assume AJ is set in 2026. The alternative is rather worrying because that would suggest that T&T never happened, and that would suck. :(

The other reason is an AJ spoiler so I'm not blabbing about it here.

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Re: More Fan-submitted updates + Timeline

Mon Mar 17, 2008 3:49 am

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It's not just a matter of those two birthdays, however: it affects how all the birthdays relate to each other. If you keep Phoenix's birthday in '92, it means his AJ age is off, and that can be overlooked. But then take Kristoph's birthday: he's supposed to be one year younger than Phoenix, which would make his birthday '93. But if AJ takes place in 2026, his birthday would have to be '94, and then he and Phoenix would no longer be one year apart.

Which maybe isn't a big deal in the grand scheme of things, but when you're a fan-ficcer (like me :D) it changes a lot in terms of what they would have been doing at certain points in their life. A year makes all the difference when coordinating, say, if Kristoph and Edgeworth could have been in law school at the same time.

Either way the timeline is gonne need a disclaimer of sorts... Silly Capcom :<

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Mon Mar 17, 2008 3:51 am

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The birthdates will usually always be messed up, unfortunately. But I guess 2026 would make a little more sense, also for same reasons stated by Asursa. (I'm too lazy to repeat them... >_>). Gee, Capcom messed up on the canon timeline... but I can understand why. It's hard to remember things correctly and keeping everything organized. They probably don't pay much attention to the timeline anyway. I mean the point of the games is mostly the cases, the characters and plot... not so much the timelines.

On an unrelated note, nice work on the remixes Jaws.

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Mon Mar 17, 2008 4:20 am

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2026. My reason is very simple: Dates of the cases are actually given in the games, character birthdates are not. Case dates are both more important and more reliable as a source of calculating. We know 3-5 happened in February 2019, so AJ has to be seven years after that.

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Re: More Fan-submitted updates + Timeline

Mon Mar 17, 2008 4:38 am

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as for birthdays, its a japanese game..

dont the japanese add a year to their age on the new year?

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Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:28 pm

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Exactly what La Diable says, since the characters are always talking about "7 seven years ago"
we have to stick with 2026 :hotti:

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Mon Mar 17, 2008 5:52 pm

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Mon Mar 17, 2008 7:16 pm

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As far as I'm concerned, it's 2026. The birthday discrepancies only occur, as far as I'm aware, due to issues in localisation (such as the whole class thing in the first game), whereas the dates of the cases is far more important and stated.

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Mon Mar 17, 2008 7:19 pm

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Croik wrote:

Silly Capcom :<

Why confuse us, Capcom?! >_<

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Re: More Fan-submitted updates + Timeline

Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:59 pm

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I just want to point out that twice in the English version throughout the series, a character's age is stated in the Court Record as a certain number and then the character says "I'm [certain number] this year", implying the character hasn't had their birthday yet.

It's either indicative of a localisation quirk I don't know the details of or it's indicative of the ages in the Court Record being estimates at best and complete bollocks at worst. Take your pick. ^^

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Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:24 pm

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I have two PW videos I would like to submit...

This one.

And this one.

Re: More Fan-submitted updates + Timeline

Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:20 am

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Asura Velotix wrote:

I just want to point out that twice in the English version throughout the series, a character's age is stated in the Court Record as a certain number and then the character says "I'm [certain number] this year", implying the character hasn't had their birthday yet.

It's either indicative of a localisation quirk I don't know the details of or it's indicative of the ages in the Court Record being estimates at best and complete bollocks at worst. Take your pick. ^^

Spoiler: Ace Attorney series inc. AJ

Now THAT is a localization issue (ironically enough, made by the same translator both times~). Though in English "I'm X this year" might imply "I am going to turn X this year" in Japanese it just as easily implies "I'm X right now." But their birthdays are correct in the court record if not in the script.

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Wed Mar 19, 2008 1:30 am

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hat's curious... no-one mentioned anything about the gap between GS2 and GS3 being 5 months shorter than normal. If you remember correctly, I distinctly remember Adrian Andrews saying something along the lines of "Thanks for your help on that case seven months ago" or something along those lines at the beginning of 3-2. That would indicate that, between the seven month gap from GS2 to GS3 and the 7 year, 2 month gap between GS3 and GS4, that would mean...

...that the birthdays could be anywhere in the remaining three months that weren't made up in the additional two month gap GS4 tacked onto the seven year gap. This means...

Wouldn't the "State vs Wright" be pushed forward to exactly 7 yrs, 2 months after he got disbarred? That would make the date "June/July 20th" not "April 20th". That would mean that every subsequent event would also be pushed forward two months to match, meaning the Misham trial could be in December or even January 2026/7! I don't know if this data is even relevant, because I can't make any definitive answers based on this info (even if it is my info). You think you can sort this out? I was never good with chronology and maybe all this data is a moot point. However, that still leaves the question of where those two months disappeared to...

Re: More Fan-submitted updates + Timeline

Wed Mar 19, 2008 1:38 am

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YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG

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That's just less than seven months. All the dates check out. :)

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Wed Mar 19, 2008 2:46 am

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Asura Velotix wrote:

YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG

Spoiler: JFA and T&T spoilers

That's just less than seven months. All the dates check out. :)

Well, then that takes care of my first argument about the JFA/TT dates being off, but there's still the two months to deal with.

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Wed Mar 19, 2008 8:33 pm

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YOU'RE STILL DOING IT WRONG

Spoiler: JFA and T&T spoilers

Two months. (Two and a half, to be precise.) The dates line up nice and neatly. ^^

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Thu Mar 20, 2008 9:09 pm

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Asura Velotix wrote:

It's either indicative of a localisation quirk I don't know the details of or it's indicative of the ages in the Court Record being estimates at best and complete bollocks at worst. Take your pick. ^^

I just want to point out that I prefer this interpretation. As far as I can tell, the profiles in the Court Record are whatever Phoenix (or Apollo) knows about the character. He never gets the ages of most of the characters, at least not on-screen, so for all we know he's guessing. :lana:

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Sun Mar 23, 2008 2:42 pm

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Mon Mar 24, 2008 5:12 pm

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I vote for 2026. The seven-year gap being seven years is really important. The birthday issue is minor to me -- ages being estimates or their age at the beginning of each game or whatever works for me, since there's never been a case where a character's age was actually a key point, whereas the seven year gap has plot significance.

(Watch someone's birthday party be some big important thing in GS5, hah.)

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Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:19 am

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I think it has to be 2026, too. I've been annoyed at Capcom for a while at messing up the ages all the time. They always pretend that the time over which a game took place doesn't count, even though the cases are pretty spread out.

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Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:20 am

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I must've been wayyyyyyy too left behind for the updates... so, are there other people contributing their music for AA tribute besides Enter The Jaws Theme?

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Thu Mar 27, 2008 3:25 pm

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As I see it, from what I've read here, it just makes more sense to put AJ in 2026. If the birthdays really don't add up, then there's an inconsistency with the games. If that inconsistency is present, at least one of the games must be at least slightly off in regards to character age. If one of the games is off, simply approximate what the actual age would be.

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Croik wrote:

Silly Capcom :<

Why confuse us, Capcom?! >_<

Try sorting out the Mega Man continuity.