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I found these comics are really cute...I can't read Japanese, but since there are quite a lot Kanji, I can get a general picture of them.:P

Spoiler: Ghost Tale
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:hobohodo: In a summer evening, when on my way to the bath room, I had a feeling of being watched by some one...
:odoroki: (He's holding a torch...)
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:hobohodo: Then, some blood dropped on the back of my neck..I was astonished and looked up with fear...
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:hobohodo: It was Mr. Gavin, whose nosebleed was dropping from the celling.
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:hobohodo: :odoroki: :minuki: :................
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Spoiler: The Murder Motive (AJ spoiler)
1: :hobohodo: Show down time. You lost.
2:Shadi: YOU CHEAT!
3:Shadi: You must has hidden cards! I want you to have a full body examination.
:hobohodo: Fine. Go ahead.
4: :garyuu: ....
5: :garyuu: [Who was waiting for the chance to get out of the channel] How daaaaaaaaare him touch my Phoenix's body like that!KILL KILL KILL KILL!
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Those are both great, I like the second one especially. Sheds a different light on 4-1, doesn't it? Phoenix is a slut. XD!


Indeed...some of my friends say that's why his Physical-Locks are gray...I don't know if they are taking it seriously. Image
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Indeed...some of my friends say that's why his Physical-Locks are gray...I don't know if they are taking it seriously. Image

That would explain the despair and the general coldness, wouldn't it?

Spoiler: 4-4
I always wondered how Kristoph could be so cold and those locks so filled with sorrow if, in the end, his base motivation jealousy. And not even that. It was more like...

:garyuu: I have forged evidence, I paid 100,000 dollars for it, I have arranged for the death of Vera Misham (although the stamp failed), and I just lost my potential big break, and I'll be damned if everything goes to waste.

Or, I guess we can just accept that Kristoph is the epitome of pure evil regardless.

Maybe that's jealousy after all. But my, how :garyuu: / :hobohodo: in that situation would change things! XD
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BTW is it gay to think that a homosexual couple would be right? I don't like to imagine Phoenix and Miles, well...getting it on, but I do think that they're actually good for each other.


It's not. A gay man who finds a heterosexual couple fitting and 'right' would not be heterosexual. And why is 'gay' such a negative quantifier anyway?

I agree - they ARE good for each other. If they can get their heads out of their asses and actually DO SOMETHING about all that sexual tension...
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This is by far my favorite thread in this entire forum. lulz...

I've fallen for Klavier/Apollo, now. Something I told myself I WOULD NOT do. BUT I DID! I still think P/E is teh bomb, but meh.. wish I had arts to add to this, but I gave up drawing everybody except my Jean.
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That would explain the despair and the general coldness, wouldn't it?

Spoiler: 4-4
I always wondered how Kristoph could be so cold and those locks so filled with sorrow if, in the end, his base motivation jealousy. And not even that. It was more like...

:garyuu: I have forged evidence, I paid 100,000 dollars for it, I have arranged for the death of Vera Misham (although the stamp failed), and I just lost my potential big break, and I'll be damned if everything goes to waste.

Or, I guess we can just accept that Kristoph is the epitome of pure evil regardless.

Maybe that's jealousy after all. But my, how :garyuu: / :hobohodo: in that situation would change things! XD

Spoiler: 4-4
I don't really know, but I find it hard to accept that the secrets he hold behind the locks are just so simple—— it was the motive of killing Shadi what Nick asked, not the forged evidence, so...just because of jealousy? :yuusaku: I will be really disappointed if there is nothing more ...

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Spoiler: 4-4
I don't really know, but I find it hard to accept that the secrets he hold behind the locks are just so simple—— it was the motive of killing Shadi what Nick asked, not the forged evidence, so...just because of jealousy? :yuusaku: I will be really disappointed if there is nothing more behind the locks...


I hear you.

Spoiler: More 4-4
Yup, I hear you all right. If Kristoph's ultimate motivations are just that, I'm rather disappointed as well and will have to write him off as even more mentally unstable. There's a point at which being evil and being mentally unstable just don't work with each other anymore, and I'm afraid Kristoph may have just reached it. Well, Krissi killed Shadi in order to keep his mouth shut, that's reasonably simple. But a bajillion Psyche Locks pretty much means that he's hiding the entire situation, not just why.

I would have loved to see :garyuu: under Psyche Lock pressure. He'd be smooth until the end.

The end of 4-4 felt so odd, what with the coincidental stamp licking and the fact that seven years of work wrapped up just like that. Everyone worked so hard for that day, odd to think about.


So, uh, Edgeworth. Can't really imagine the chap with a woman or warming up to anybody he doesn't already know, the field is narrowed significantly by the latter option alone...
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I hear you.

Spoiler: More 4-4
Yup, I hear you all right. If Kristoph's ultimate motivations are just that, I'm rather disappointed as well and will have to write him off as even more mentally unstable. There's a point at which being evil and being mentally unstable just don't work with each other anymore, and I'm afraid Kristoph may have just reached it. Well, Krissi killed Shadi in order to keep his mouth shut, that's reasonably simple. But a bajillion Psyche Locks pretty much means that he's hiding the entire situation, not just why.

I would have loved to see :garyuu: under Psyche Lock pressure. He'd be smooth until the end.

The end of 4-4 felt so odd, what with the coincidental stamp licking and the fact that seven years of work wrapped up just like that. Everyone worked so hard for that day, odd to think about.

Spoiler: 4-4
I agree...and the oddest thing is, he didn't really do whatever he could to keep the fact from leaking out, or he would had killed Klavier instead of Zak.
Well, let's just waiting for the GS5 to tell us everything. :karma:

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So, uh, Edgeworth. Can't really imagine the chap with a woman or warming up to anybody he doesn't already know, the field is narrowed significantly by the latter option alone...


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I've come bearing of Klavier x Apollo artsss~ So yeah...some might be repeats already posted in this thread.

Spoiler: Klavi x Polly
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(lol at Japanese maiden Odoroki)
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(I didn't notice at first...)
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Spoiler: Klavi x Polly 2
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(OH GAWD DON'T ASK)
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(baaaaaaw~)
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Spoiler: Klavi x Polly 3
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(AGAIN DON'T ASK)
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(YEAH I DON'T KNOW....needs more shojo bubbles)


Spoiler: Klavi x Polly (wide image is wiiiiide)
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And...a bit of cracky P x E...
Spoiler: lol some creepy pedo yaoi D;
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Oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god----now I can't sleep.

Forgot the title this was parodying...


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Watatata you win everything. I love all the Klavier/Polly pictures!!> < Thank you~~~^3^(<——a big fan of this pairing XD)
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just bc u think u have gay-dar and it goes off when u see miles doesn't mean anything. O.o just shows how wacky and confused u are. hes straight. move on
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Hay doods, I hate to tell you, but no one here actually cares if you think Edgey is gay or straight. This thread is really meant for posting gayness.

And I don't think anyone here has one of those "gaydars" that you mention :keiko:.
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It might help if the thread title was changed.. since it seems to be misleading for a lot of people.
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It might help if the thread title was changed.. since it seems to be misleading for a lot of people.


But musouka imformed in the first post that it is a yoai thread here. It's not our fault if someone didn't read the thread before complainning. >_>
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just bc u think u have gay-dar and it goes off when u see miles doesn't mean anything. O.o just shows how wacky and confused u are. hes straight. move on


Evidence that he's straight: none
Evidence that he's gay: circumstantial, but quite a bit

Let me put it this way. Depending on my mood, I might be willing to debate Edgeworth's sexuality--really, the argument has been rehashed so often it's kind of lost what little spark it had to begin with--and I don't mind well thought out posts contrary to the thread's title. I think they provide discussion and keep a thread from stagnating.

HOWEVER. If your only purpose is to come into the thread and go "d00d, he's not gaaaaay, u dumbasses!" then please shut your trap and post it where someone cares, like your livejournal. I don't really care if Edgeworth is the straightest guy that ever banged a chick in your head--this thread is gayland, and that's final.
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auroura-lamia wrote:
just bc u think u have gay-dar and it goes off when u see miles doesn't mean anything. O.o just shows how wacky and confused u are. hes straight. move on


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Hay doods, I hate to tell you, but no one here actually cares if you think Edgey is gay or straight. This thread is really meant for posting gayness


Mmkay, back on topic.
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QUOTE DUMP AHOY

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Spoiler: 4-4
I agree...and the oddest thing is, he didn't really do whatever he could to keep the fact from leaking out, or he would had killed Klavier instead of Zak.
Well, let's just waiting for the GS5 to tell us everything. :karma:



Spoiler: MOAR 4-4 RUN FOR YOUR LIVES
I never thought about that, but that's true! That sheds a little more compassionate light on Krissi, doesn't it? A man like Kristoph, with all his style and poise and elegance, sometimes one forgets that he's a murderer with three deaths and a forgery under his belt.

Granted, Kristoph didn't kill Phoenix either, although all of them were under watch -- I suppose :garyuu: was still a reasonable man, wanting to not kill more than he'd have to. Everyone involved was still perpetually stalked, though. He had connections.


火曜日 wrote:
Ooooooh Capcom, let Edgey stay single, please!!TAT


XDD Can't say much to this one.

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I've come bearing of Klavier x Apollo artsss~ So yeah...some might be repeats already posted in this thread.

[Art Dump]

Glad to be of corrupting service. :salute:


Hero. My. You are.

Excuse the incoherency, but that's a great collection you have there!

As for the most recent debacle, I believe it's been thoroughly addressed. But remember, gaydars have feelings too, don't go insulting all the time! The gaydar's feelings might get hurt.

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After my :franny: x :edgeworth: craze died, I would like to think he just doesn't give a crap. Saying he is asexual has got my vote..sort of.
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Look, what part of this don't you understand?

This is not the "Miles Edgeworth: Asexual or ASEXUAL?" thread. If you would like to give reasons and summation why you think he's asexual, that's one thing, but just coming in here and stating your opinion is pointless.
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musouka wrote:
Let me put it this way. Depending on my mood, I might be willing to debate Edgeworth's sexuality--really, the argument has been rehashed so often it's kind of lost what little spark it had to begin with--and I don't mind well thought out posts contrary to the thread's title. I think they provide discussion and keep a thread from stagnating.



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Spoiler: MOAR 4-4 RUN FOR YOUR LIVES
I never thought about that, but that's true! That sheds a little more compassionate light on Krissi, doesn't it? A man like Kristoph, with all his style and poise and elegance, sometimes one forgets that he's a murderer with three deaths and a forgery under his belt.

Granted, Kristoph didn't kill Phoenix either, although all of them were under watch -- I suppose :garyuu: was still a reasonable man, wanting to not kill more than he'd have to. Everyone involved was still perpetually stalked, though. He had connections.


Spoiler: 4-4
Yeah, I agree~Actually Krissoph used to be a total devil in my mind until I realized that. :payne: I guess Klavier didn't figure it out in the last trail of 4-4, or he wouldn't had hurt him by saying "we don't need you any more".*sigh*


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火曜日 wrote:
musouka wrote:
Let me put it this way. Depending on my mood, I might be willing to debate Edgeworth's sexuality--really, the argument has been rehashed so often it's kind of lost what little spark it had to begin with--and I don't mind well thought out posts contrary to the thread's title. I think they provide discussion and keep a thread from stagnating.



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Second! Um, not the shooting part. In the case that you would actually want to write it, although I'm sure a billion points and more have already been brought out outside of an essay.

火曜日 wrote:
Spoiler: 4-4
Yeah, I agree~Actually Krissoph used to be a total devil in my mind until I realized that. :payne: I guess Klavier didn't figure it out in the last trail of 4-4, or he wouldn't had hurt him by saying "we don't need you any more".*sigh*


Spoiler: 4-4
I figure that Klavier would have still said that, Krissi doesn't seem to be made any less of a devil just because he didn't kill more people than he had to. It'd be a "Yeah, so you're an insane murderer, but you didn't kill me, so I guess you're good for something, but the law still doesn't need you" thing.

... Trying to humanize a murderer? Huh. Interesting how things work in the human mind, isn't it?

:garyuu: makes you think. He really does. I haven't thought about a character or a case in PW for so long in a very, very long time.
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Spoiler: 4-4
Yeah, I agree~Actually Krissoph used to be a total devil in my mind until I realized that. :payne: I guess Klavier didn't figure it out in the last trail of 4-4, or he wouldn't had hurt him by saying "we don't need you any more".*sigh*


Spoiler: 4-4
I figure that Klavier would have still said that, Krissi doesn't seem to be made any less of a devil just because he didn't kill more people than he had to. It'd be a "Yeah, so you're an insane murderer, but you didn't kill me, so I guess you're good for something, but the law still doesn't need you" thing.

... Trying to humanize a murderer? Huh. Interesting how things work in the human mind, isn't it?

:garyuu: makes you think. He really does. I haven't thought about a character or a case in PW for so long in a very, very long time.


Spoiler: 4-4&3-5
But Kristoph is his brother after all...I won't say something like that to my sibling unless I really hate him or her. Klavier didn't hate Kristoph even after he was found guilty. I believe he was in anger because he used to believe his brother but in the trail, Kritoph betrayed his trust.It was his emotion which made him say that.And emotion, you know, is some kind of thing which can easily changed by some facts like your brother still care about your life. I changed my mind to say he was not an utterly devil because I was thinking about Dahlia: she didn't care about Iris at all. As a matter of fact she tried to pin the crime on her sister. Compared with Dahlia, Kristoph was still a kind of human...that's my thought. :gymshoe:

I can't say I like Kristoph as a person...but yes, I love him as an interesting character.=D Not only him, but also hobohodo, Polly and Klavier...they are really interesting from the angle of Psychology. I found it's kind of ironic that there are so many people saying characters of GS4 are simple and thin, but the fact is they are just hiding themselves too deep to be watched through at the first sight.


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But Kristoph is his brother after all...I won't say something like that to my sibling unless I really hate him or her. Klavier didn't hate Kristoph even after he was found guilty. I believe he was in anger because he used to believe his brother but in the trail, Kritoph betrayed his trust.It was his emotion which made him say that.And emotion, you know, is some kind of thing which can easily changed by some facts like your brother still care about your life. I changed my mind to say he was not an utterly devil because I was thinking about Dahlia: she didn't care about Iris at all. As a matter of fact she tried to pin the crime on her sister. Compared with Dahlia, Kristoph was still a kind of human...that's my thought. :gymshoe:

I can't say I like Kristoph as a person...but yes, I love him as an interesting character.=D Not only him, but also Polly, hobohodo, Polly and Klavier...they are really interesting from the angle of Psychology. I found it's kind of ironic that there are so many people saying characters of GS4 are simple and thin, but the fact is they are just hiding too deep to be watched through at the first sight.


Spoiler: 4-4
I agree that Klavier was really emotional during that trial, and yes people say a lot of things they might not completely mean out of anger. His spoiler sprite where his face is tilted upward seems to imply that he wished his brother wasn't guilty, and he was sad to see him broken down like that. I really wonder just how much Kristoph cares for his brother though. He was willing to use forged evidence against him in their trial against each other, before Kristoph got fired. As for not killing if he didn't have to, I would imagine that he wouldn't want to dirty his hands unless absolutely necessary. Kill enough, and it gets easier to get tracked down. I saw it as more of a practicality than compassion. In Kristoph's mind, maybe 7 years of paranoia was worth it? I dunno.


Spoiler: 3-5
I thought Dahlia was trying to pin the crime on Maya? Anyway, I thought of her as not completely evil either. The only trace of humanity you see in her is her relationship with Iris. When she gave Phoenix the poison, she wanted to kill him right away, but Iris insisted on getting it back for her instead. And Dahlia LET her for 6 months. That's a lot of patience for someone whose innocence is at stake. She was taking a huge risk letting Iris handle the one item that would tie her to being a murderer. Iris also mentioned in the last bit of the trial that when she wanted to attempt to kill Phoenix, it was the first time she hadn't consulted her beforehand. I would think that means Dahlia holds Iris' opinion in high regard. She doesn't always follow it, but she seems to communicate with Iris a lot anyway.


To summarize, Gyakuten Saiban's villains are humanly awesome. :edgy:
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musouka wrote:
Look, what part of this don't you understand?

This is not the "Miles Edgeworth: Asexual or ASEXUAL?" thread. If you would like to give reasons and summation why you think he's asexual, that's one thing, but just coming in here and stating your opinion is pointless.



Because he doesn't seem to have an attraction to anyone.

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Aevitas wrote:
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Spoiler: 4-4
But Kristoph is his brother after all...I won't say something like that to my sibling unless I really hate him or her. Klavier didn't hate Kristoph even after he was found guilty. I believe he was in anger because he used to believe his brother but in the trail, Kritoph betrayed his trust.It was his emotion which made him say that.And emotion, you know, is some kind of thing which can easily changed by some facts like your brother still care about your life. I changed my mind to say he was not an utterly devil because I was thinking about Dahlia: she didn't care about Iris at all. As a matter of fact she tried to pin the crime on her sister. Compared with Dahlia, Kristoph was still a kind of human...that's my thought. :gymshoe:

I can't say I like Kristoph as a person...but yes, I love him as an interesting character.=D Not only him, but also Polly, hobohodo, Polly and Klavier...they are really interesting from the angle of Psychology. I found it's kind of ironic that there are so many people saying characters of GS4 are simple and thin, but the fact is they are just hiding too deep to be watched through at the first sight.


Spoiler: 4-4
I agree that Klavier was really emotional during that trial, and yes people say a lot of things they might not completely mean out of anger. His spoiler sprite where his face is tilted upward seems to imply that he wished his brother wasn't guilty, and he was sad to see him broken down like that. I really wonder just how much Kristoph cares for his brother though. He was willing to use forged evidence against him in their trial against each other, before Kristoph got fired. As for not killing if he didn't have to, I would imagine that he wouldn't want to dirty his hands unless absolutely necessary. Kill enough, and it gets easier to get tracked down. I saw it as more of a practicality than compassion. In Kristoph's mind, maybe 7 years of paranoia was worth it? I dunno.


Spoiler: 3-5
I thought Dahlia was trying to pin the crime on Maya? Anyway, I thought of her as not completely evil either. The only trace of humanity you see in her is her relationship with Iris. When she gave Phoenix the poison, she wanted to kill him right away, but Iris insisted on getting it back for her instead. And Dahlia LET her for 6 months. That's a lot of patience for someone whose innocence is at stake. She was taking a huge risk letting Iris handle the one item that would tie her to being a murderer. Iris also mentioned in the last bit of the trial that when she wanted to attempt to kill Phoenix, it was the first time she hadn't consulted her beforehand. I would think that means Dahlia holds Iris' opinion in high regard. She doesn't always follow it, but she seems to communicate with Iris a lot anyway.


To summarize, Gyakuten Saiban's villains are humanly awesome. :edgy:


Wait, this thread is about Edgeworth!? :beef:

Spoiler: 4-4 Discussion Cont.
Woohoo, addressing two people but only quoting a collective group!

Klavier was definitely hurt by that, I'm sure that anyone would be hurt in that situation with somebody so close to you being found as being, well, somebody completely different. I'm still not sure whether or not "The law doesn't need you" was emotionally charged or not; Klavier definitely came to a very cold persona in the end against his brother and said a lot of things most likely he didn't mean, but that seems to have a ring of truth to it.

And yes, practicality most likely got into a lot of Kristoph's opinion, one really can't be sure of how much he valued others, if at all. Kristoph was capable of keeping tabs on Klavier easily, made friends with Phoenix well enough (I suppose that's why his was the only dissenting opinion at Phoenix's judgement, to gain a "friend?") He's a very distant person to begin with, so his bonds with people are definitely questionable at best, on times even less than Dahlia simply because :garyuu: and :kyouya: didn't have that much interaction between themselves aside from plot-oriented devices. Seven years paranoia of keeping tabs paid off in the end, I suppose, what with finding Zak.

I suppose what was going to happen was bound to happen, either Kristoph saw Zak at the Borscht on that fateful night, or Phoenix would find another way to accuse Kristoph later on. It gives a horrible feeling of the inevitable. Case four feels entirely too coincidental to me, I feel as if sometimes the reactions weren't even normal at times, so it's difficult for me to actually look at it objectively.

I still can't believe it was all based on jealousy.


Spoiler: 3-5
Oh, Dahlia. I just got explained to in another thread about Dahlia's more sympathetic characteristics, and must say that people have a viable point about her personality being more human thatn meets the eye. Which sort of contrasts with Krissi, from whom we've found pretty much minimal compassion (and minimal interaction). Her faintest drop of emotion certainly does appear, but it seems that her afterlife soul seems to be focused on one thing alone, that being Mia Fey. It's hard to remember the middle when there's such a fantastic scream at the end.

I see your point with Iris and feel as if it's viable.

My memory sort of fails me on Dahlia, it feels as if it has been a while. I almost forgot the entire Valerie storypoint. x.x There is a certain human aspect in those characters that have successive murders in the Phoenix Wright world. They're always the backed into the corner types after an initial murder. One sort of envelops oneself in a mess after that.


Amen to the villains being humanly awesome!

I still need to find people willing to justify Matt Engarde, though.

Note: In lieu of the other discussion going on, I think that perhaps the point of this topic is taken a bit too seriously.
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Spoiler: 4-4
But Kristoph is his brother after all...I won't say something like that to my sibling unless I really hate him or her. Klavier didn't hate Kristoph even after he was found guilty. I believe he was in anger because he used to believe his brother but in the trail, Kritoph betrayed his trust.It was his emotion which made him say that.And emotion, you know, is some kind of thing which can easily changed by some facts like your brother still care about your life. I changed my mind to say he was not an utterly devil because I was thinking about Dahlia: she didn't care about Iris at all. As a matter of fact she tried to pin the crime on her sister. Compared with Dahlia, Kristoph was still a kind of human...that's my thought. :gymshoe:

I can't say I like Kristoph as a person...but yes, I love him as an interesting character.=D Not only him, but also Polly, hobohodo, Polly and Klavier...they are really interesting from the angle of Psychology. I found it's kind of ironic that there are so many people saying characters of GS4 are simple and thin, but the fact is they are just hiding too deep to be watched through at the first sight.


Spoiler: 4-4
I agree that Klavier was really emotional during that trial, and yes people say a lot of things they might not completely mean out of anger. His spoiler sprite where his face is tilted upward seems to imply that he wished his brother wasn't guilty, and he was sad to see him broken down like that. I really wonder just how much Kristoph cares for his brother though. He was willing to use forged evidence against him in their trial against each other, before Kristoph got fired. As for not killing if he didn't have to, I would imagine that he wouldn't want to dirty his hands unless absolutely necessary. Kill enough, and it gets easier to get tracked down. I saw it as more of a practicality than compassion. In Kristoph's mind, maybe 7 years of paranoia was worth it? I dunno.


Spoiler: 4-4
Hmm...actually the interesting fact is, killing Klavier was necessary. Kristoph killed Zak for two reasons: 1, Zak fired him and turned to Nick; 2, Zak could leak out the fact that Kristoph had time and motive to make forged evidence while Nick didn't. Nick was not necessary to be killed because no one would believe him=_= In the last trail of 4-4, Polly couldn't proof that it was Kristoph who took Zak's case first, and funny enough, he turned to Klavier for help. It was Klavier's testimony which made it clear who forged the notepage. A piece of decisive testimony, I will give him that. However, the trail was not for the forged evidence but Drew's death, so they still need a decisive evidence to proof Vera's innocent.

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Spoiler: 3-5
I thought Dahlia was trying to pin the crime on Maya? Anyway, I thought of her as not completely evil either. The only trace of humanity you see in her is her relationship with Iris. When she gave Phoenix the poison, she wanted to kill him right away, but Iris insisted on getting it back for her instead. And Dahlia LET her for 6 months. That's a lot of patience for someone whose innocence is at stake. She was taking a huge risk letting Iris handle the one item that would tie her to being a murderer. Iris also mentioned in the last bit of the trial that when she wanted to attempt to kill Phoenix, it was the first time she hadn't consulted her beforehand. I would think that means Dahlia holds Iris' opinion in high regard. She doesn't always follow it, but she seems to communicate with Iris a lot anyway.


To summarize, Gyakuten Saiban's villains are humanly awesome. :edgy:

Spoiler: 3-5&4-4
Dahlia was trying to pin the crime on Maya in the trail, yes, but far before that, when she was "killing" Maya, she dressed up like Iris and pretended to be her. She confessed it in the trail but I can't recall what she said exactly now. She didn't tell Iris the plan of killing Nick beforehand because she realized that Iris would stop her in any case. Six months waiting is a remarkable patience, yes, but that's all. Iris was a special person to Dahlia, but she still decided to kill Nick after 6 months. Kristoph didn't do that even he was living in fear and anxiousness for seven years(quoting Klavier's words). Dahlia was a professional crime and Kristoph wasn't. :karma:


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Hmm...actually the interesting fact is, killing Klavier was necessary. Kristoph killed Zak for two reasons: 1, Zak fired him and turned to Nick; 2, Zak could leak out the fact that Kristoph had time and motive to make forged evidence while Nick didn't. Nick was not necessary to be killed because no one would believe him=_= In the last trail of 4-4, Polly couldn't proof that it was Kristoph who took Zak's case first, and funny enough, he turned to Klavier for help. It was Klavier's testimony which made it clear who forged the notepage. A piece of decisive testimony, I will give him that. However, the trail was not for the forged evidence but Drew's death, so they still need a decisive evidence to proof Vera's innocent.

Spoiler: 4-4; Alternative Title: Let's Not Stop Now, This is Getting Good!
By the logic presented, one can also argue that it was not necessary to kill Klavier because there wouldn't be enough evidence regardless. The amount of evidence required to incriminate a criminal in the court system of AJ seems crack. Kristoph at the very end seemed to care less about whether Vera was found guilty or not; of course, he was banking on her being found guilty, but his crazed speech seemed to be in self-interest about the lack of proof to incriminate him. Kristoph planned it out. Klavier would have pushed Kristoph under more scrutiny, but he thought that so long as there wasn't solid evidence, he was safe. Scrutinize all they might, he wouldn't be found out.

Until he could be found guilty under the current jury system which Phoenix crafted on account of 1) retribution and 2) the greater good (in that order). Hobo Phoenix was great, but it brings to light how they're both plotters.

Also, I figure that Kristoph never banked on being accused by Phoenix and thus found all cautionary measures unnecessary. When they were found necessary, Kristoph was, well, in prison.

I wish Kristoph had more development so we could see what he values. It could be, of course, himself all the way, but that's just hard to see.

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Spoiler: 3-5&4-4
Dahlia was trying to pin the crime on Maya in the trail, yes, but far before that, when she was "killing" Maya, she dressed up like Iris and pretended to be her. She confessed it in the trail but I can't recall what she said exactly now. She didn't tell Iris the plan of killing Nick beforehand because she realized that Iris would stop her in any case. Six months waiting is a remarkable patience, yes, but that's all. Iris was a special person to Dahlia, but she still decided to kill Nick after 6 months. Kristoph didn't do that even he was living in fear and anxiousness for seven years(quoting Klavier's words). Dahlia was a professional crime and Kristoph wasn't. :karma:


Spoiler: From Precedent, Guess the Cases!
Dahlia snapped. The fact that she was emotionally unfostered since childhood no doubt carries a great impact on that, but in the end, her crimes were heinous. I have a feeling that after being found guilty her first time, given the opportunity as a ghost, she lost any sense of humanity -- more like any human instincts went completely down the drain and she became obsessed with Mia.

I see your point, and agree with it, but the Dahlia sympathisers are starting to get to me too. Admittedly, nobody was jumping in front of Krissi brandishing evidence unknowingly like young!Phoenix was, and he killed the first person who may be capable of brandishing real evidence.

Wonder what would happen if Kristoph gets another shot at life under those Dahlia-like circumstances.

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Heya! Again!

Sorry, I couldn't resist continuing this conversation, it's a good conversation.
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I come back with some awesome pictures~ :hotti: They all from 亭文, a sweet girl.^-^ Her OTP is NickXPolly. I'm not a big fan of it, but since her works are so adorable, I still love them.XD

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Spoiler: Polly's one day: morning
Polly gets up really early every day, and begin his steel record beside river~500 times!
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At the end of the practicing...he gets exhausted...
Kid: That guy is odd...
Mom: Stop watching!Follow me!
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After that, Polly goes back home and makes the breakfast~
:odoroki: Breakfast finished!
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Morning call~
:odoroki: Good morning! Get up!
Trucy you are going to be late! And you,too, Mr.Wright~don't be a lazy bone~~~
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:odoroki: Don't forget the lunch box!
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Spoiler: Polly's One Day: Day time
Trucy is on her way to the school now, Polly tries to call Nick up again.
:odoroki: Get up~~
:hobohodo: Good morning...
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Turn about!!
1: hug,2:turn about(?!),3:...
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Polly can't move at all in that kind of situation...so, have more sleeping~XD
:odoroki: Well...it might be fine...
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They get up to have breakfast...no, lunch~
:hobohodo: ( So cute~)
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At the same time, Trucy is having lunch at school. As a kid who was grown up with bread and fast food, she feels so happy to enjoy the lunch which is full of Polly Mom's love. :minuki:
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After lunch, Polly goes to the police department to get some documents. Being "attacked" by Klavier who is just passing by.
:kyouya: Oh it's Herr Forehead here~
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It is almost evening when the work is finished, so Polly goes to buy the food for dinner.
:odoroki: (Still have fish on the list...)
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Spoiler: Polly's One Day: Evening
Now go back home to cook dinner~
:hobohodo: Dinner ready~?
:odoroki: Almost~
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After dinner, Trucy has magic show to go, and Nick has his competitions.
:hobohodo: + :minuki: Working time~
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Polly is enjoying the hot-water shower~
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Polly has his documents to work on, too.
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When Nick and Trucy come back, Polly has fall asleep on the dinning room table. Should we wake him up?
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Finally, Nick decides to sent the sleeping boy to the bedroom.^-^
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(lol at Japanese maiden Odoroki)


I really laughed at this picture. It's so cute, feudal era maiden [LOL] confessing his love to a guard~ > ////// <

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Spoiler: lol some creepy pedo yaoi D;
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Oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god----now I can't sleep.
Forgot the title this was parodying...


It's お金がないっ [Okane ga nai or No Money]。。。 > u <;;;

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Sorry to be off topic again...my previous post maybe can make up some of my fault... :hotti:
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Spoiler: 4-4; Alternative Title: Let's Not Stop Now, This is Getting Good!
By the logic presented, one can also argue that it was not necessary to kill Klavier because there wouldn't be enough evidence regardless. The amount of evidence required to incriminate a criminal in the court system of AJ seems crack. Kristoph at the very end seemed to care less about whether Vera was found guilty or not; of course, he was banking on her being found guilty, but his crazed speech seemed to be in self-interest about the lack of proof to incriminate him. Kristoph planned it out. Klavier would have pushed Kristoph under more scrutiny, but he thought that so long as there wasn't solid evidence, he was safe. Scrutinize all they might, he wouldn't be found out.

Until he could be found guilty under the current jury system which Phoenix crafted on account of 1) retribution and 2) the greater good (in that order). Hobo Phoenix was great, but it brings to light how they're both plotters.

Also, I figure that Kristoph never banked on being accused by Phoenix and thus found all cautionary measures unnecessary. When they were found necessary, Kristoph was, well, in prison.

I wish Kristoph had more development so we could see what he values. It could be, of course, himself all the way, but that's just hard to see.


Spoiler: 4-4
Well, you are right about the Vera part, but the point is, it was Vera's trail, not Kristoph's. Kristoph used to be in danger of being arrested by Klavier's testimony, but he kill Shadi and sent himself into the jail before that happened. Kristoph could be found guilty once more if Klavier wanted, but just for forging evidence, not killing Drew. Kristoph was really hurt by the fact that both his pupil and younger brother cornered him in the trail (led by Nick, he knew. It was Nick's name he cried out when he broke down),but thinking from the angle of reality, he didn't lose anything more than his self pride.

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Spoiler: From Precedent, Guess the Cases!
Dahlia snapped. The fact that she was emotionally unfostered since childhood no doubt carries a great impact on that, but in the end, her crimes were heinous. I have a feeling that after being found guilty her first time, given the opportunity as a ghost, she lost any sense of humanity -- more like any human instincts went completely down the drain and she became obsessed with Mia.

I see your point, and agree with it, but the Dahlia sympathisers are starting to get to me too. Admittedly, nobody was jumping in front of Krissi brandishing evidence unknowingly like young!Phoenix was, and he killed the first person who may be capable of brandishing real evidence.

Wonder what would happen if Kristoph gets another shot at life under those Dahlia-like circumstances.

Spoiler: 3-5
You are definitely right. No one was born to be a devil, Dahlia was not, neither. But...well, what was done was done, she cheated, she killed(twice), and she even tried to kill someone after she died. So...*shrug*


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I'm willing to continue, it's really a pleasure to have a conversation with you, but I just worried that we are getting off-topic too far...well, finding more pictures and posting them here maybe a good idea~~ :hotti:
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I'm willing to continue, it's really a pleasure to have a conversation with you, but I just worried that we are getting off-topic too far...well, finding more pictures and posting them here maybe a good idea~~ :hotti:


Point taken. This can be continued at some other time or place or something, it's great talking to you! Somewhere else. Yes, yes, somewhere else.

To think this entire conversation stemmed from one comic.

I really loved the art that you posted, the comics were so cute! Great style.
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Thank you! I'm glad you like them.^0^

Yeah...now think about it, it's a bit unbelievable that one comic can cause such a long conversation. I will kick anyone else who says GS 4 characters are lacking of personality next time. XDD Wish to see you around very soon! :)
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Tuesday's comics gave me a Cute Attack *-*
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Thank you~but it was not me, they were drawn by my friend 亭文 ^0^.

She must be very happy to hear you like them~:D
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I would be sad if Edgey turn-out to be straight... :-(
I love :phoenix: + :edgeworth: so much!!!
I don't care what any of you say Miles need a lot of love and understanding and the only one who can really give it to him is :phoenix: .
Besides, Nick adore his ass and those two understand each-other on a whole different level
I'd be the happiest girl if in the next game they'll actually show something between them (But they wouldn't do anything like that, Would they... :-( )

They'll have the best sex because they both like control games and like to play it on each-other
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It's funny in a way...
:phoenix: is such a little boy at heart. He needs his "Mommy" figure to look after him in life .... (Yadda Yadda) ... (Maybe in the future :edgy: will finally be his Mommy's figure and :hobohodo: can be his lost Daddy's figure)


Besides, inspite of all that :eh?: and :larry: pressing him to get a girl in the 3rd game :edgy: doesn't seem to be interested in any girls but, he always talks about how :phoenix: is a good man and how much :phoenix: helps him in life.

in conclusion :
There are a lot of hot characters or pairings but, :phoenix: + :edgy: will always be no.1 (Until something better will come)
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I would be sad if Edgey turn-out to be straight... :-(
I love :phoenix: + :edgeworth: so much!!!
I don't care what any of you say Miles need a lot of love and understanding and the only one who can really give it to him is :phoenix: .
Besides, Nick adore his ass and those two understand each-other on a whole different level
I'd be the happiest girl if in the next game they'll actually show something between them (But they wouldn't do anything like that, Would they... :-( )



...I guess not, Capcom is not J.K.Rowling after all...=_= :hotti:

On the other hand...I guess they won't turn up to be married with random females as well, for the same reason... :hotti:
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Oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god----now I can't sleep.
Forgot the title this was parodying...


It's お金がないっ [Okane ga nai or No Money]。。。 > u <;;;

*shouldn't know that because is under aged*

Oh geez, now I remember. That's the one where this incredibly shota boy gets sold off by his relative for a bunch of bucks and ends up in-debted to this older, loan shark man.
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I don't see Gumshoe as being gay, so I really don't think that :eh?: and :edgy: would work. Gumshoe just has pity for :edgy: and sympathises.

Whoever thought of :b33r: has got me sold, though. They would be perfect for each other. They have already a deep, established friendship and I wouldn't be surprised if it was more than that behind the scenes.

I can also see :edgy: with :garyuu:. they've both got a dark past from what I can gather, and what they both show on the outside is a little different than what's on the inside. And :pft: being gay as well is quite a possibility. We know he loves Ariadoney nail polish, lol. Look at that smiley! lol.

I don't see :edgy: as 100% there, though (but I can't deny ^^). IMO, I think he's more bisexual than anything. I can see him going for maybe :adrian: or even :maya:. He might even be a good match for :uramidn: as well.

And to whoever's sig this is - you are a genius.
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And from a theoretical standpoint, a good amount of gay people turned that way because they were abused as a child. And we all know that :edgy: had a great relationship with :gregory: , so that might not be the case. I almost forgot, :karma: was there. Who knows what he did to poor :edgeworth: ...
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