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Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:05 pm

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Basically what the title says, I think (I've only played the first three) it's between dahlia or engarde because they just use people as pawns. although i stronly dislike tigre... :zenitora:

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Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:08 pm

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The most evil character I would most likely say

Spoiler: For Good Measure, Game 3

Evil can be hot.

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Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:10 pm

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idk, probably Matt or Redd. But I love both, so~

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Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:32 am

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Probably Matt, Gant, and Dahlia.
:matt:

- Come on, this guy is insane to the max.
:gant:

- Using countless people for his own gain. Evil!
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- Do I need to explain?

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Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:36 am

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and of course the most obvious: :that-b-word:

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Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:45 am

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Manfred. It's not enough he murdered a man in cold blood because the guy got him a frigging penalty in court, but taking his son in just so he could corrupt him for most of his life?

Sick, sick bastard.

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Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:59 am

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Matt. He's got the quintessential evil scar.

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Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:08 am

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Dahlia. I just hate her so much.
I actually love Matt, he's full of smexy ;D

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Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:16 am

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Dahlia. Hands down.

Some other villains were pretty evil too, but I actually liked them:

:matt:

He was amusing at times, I didn't really dislike him.
:gant:

He's so happy! How can you not love Gant? Ohh and that signature pause, of course. Gotta love 'im~

Dahlia, however...just no. I couldn't stand her at all. Two seconds on the witness stand and it was clear that she was going to be a pain in the arse. Curse you, Dahlia :chinami:

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Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:47 am

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I thought there was a topic like this in the Prosecutor's Lounge.

Anyway, from the first three games, Dahlia and Manfred. Not only were they selfish and murderous, they were also petty.

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Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:52 am

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Poor Dahlia is always so misunderstood. :pasta:

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Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:25 am

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Franzise Deauxnim wrote:

Poor Dahlia is always so misunderstood. :pasta:

Care to provide a defense? Just curious.

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Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:29 am

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Riykon wrote:

Franzise Deauxnim wrote:

Poor Dahlia is always so misunderstood. :pasta:

Care to provide a defense? Just curious.

I can provide a partial one, but not as much as Franzise probably can.

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Tue Mar 25, 2008 4:05 am

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Oos wrote:

I can provide a partial one, but not as much as Franzise probably can.

Spoiler:

Before I go on, I want to ask on behalf of curiosity: What is being misunderstood about Dahlia? Background? Motivation? Is she not appreciated enough? Misunderstood is a wide topic.

If I got the basis for misunderstanding wrong, as it is a large topic, most of the below is extraneous and I apologize.

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Tue Mar 25, 2008 4:21 am

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Riykon wrote:

Spoiler:

Spoiler: T&T

Dahlia does say that she convinced her father to leave Iris behind, but also remember that Dahlia lies. Her character is not a trustworthy one. She believes that trust and reliance on another is weakness and even mocks Phoenix for those qualities, she's certainly not going to admit to him that she was hurt when she lost Iris. No father leaves their child behind because their other one tells them unless that had been his intent all along. I don't care how manipulative she is by the time of her first crime. That was after five or six years of emotional abuse from, at the very least, her father. Her father clearly wasn't overly concerned about his kids considering how easily he abandons Iris to a stranger's care, there is no evidence that Morgan attempted to fight for her children (had she protested she would have least been allowed visitation), and we get little clear information about her new family but there is no indication that they really cared. I can't even imagine being so alone in the world. Love is very important particularly to a growing child. Iris was the only one who ever loved her and without her, Dahlia was truly alone in the world. It's possible that Terry actually loved her, but by this time Dahlia was simply too twisted to recognize it. Her first crime was the fake kidnapping which we know was about revenge (and I do believe that this is at least partially true), but if it was simply about getting the gem, why does Dahlia jump from the bridge? It would have been easy to have Terry simply leave with the jewel as a kidnapper would and they would split it later. Terry was completely under Dahlia's control, so she could easily have talked him out of his share rather then risk jumping into a very dangerous river. My theory, jumping allowed Dahlia to escape her own life and start over as Melissa Foster. She gets back at her father for what he did, gets some money to start over, and begins her life again without her father. Everything else spirals out from there, except for Dahlia's final crime which was to kill Maya to get at Mia, but that one was after she believed there was nothing more that could be done to her.

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Tue Mar 25, 2008 4:42 am

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Dahlia because she done so many wrong things from theift to attempt of murder to murder.

:psycho-matt:

Matt because he was just out right evil and annoying.

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Tue Mar 25, 2008 4:57 am

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Mia_Fey wrote:

Spoiler: T&T

Dahlia does say that she convinced her father to leave Iris behind, but also remember that Dahlia lies. Her character is not a trustworthy one. She believes that trust and reliance on another is weakness and even mocks Phoenix for those qualities, she's certainly not going to admit to him that she was hurt when she lost Iris. No father leaves their child behind because their other one tells them unless that had been his intent all along. I don't care how manipulative she is by the time of her first crime. That was after five or six years of emotional abuse from, at the very least, her father. Her father clearly wasn't overly concerned about his kids considering how easily he abandons Iris to a stranger's care, there is no evidence that Morgan attempted to fight for her children (had she protested she would have least been allowed visitation), and we get little clear information about her new family but there is no indication that they really cared. I can't even imagine being so alone in the world. Love is very important particularly to a growing child. Iris was the only one who ever loved her and without her, Dahlia was truly alone in the world. It's possible that Terry actually loved her, but by this time Dahlia was simply too twisted to recognize it. Her first crime was the fake kidnapping which we know was about revenge (and I do believe that this is at least partially true), but if it was simply about getting the gem, why does Dahlia jump from the bridge? It would have been easy to have Terry simply leave with the jewel as a kidnapper would and they would split it later. Terry was completely under Dahlia's control, so she could easily have talked him out of his share rather then risk jumping into a very dangerous river. My theory, jumping allowed Dahlia to escape her own life and start over as Melissa Foster. She gets back at her father for what he did, gets some money to start over, and begins her life again without her father. Everything else spirals out from there, except for Dahlia's final crime which was to kill Maya to get at Mia, but that one was after she believed there was nothing more that could be done to her.

Thanks for humoring me. :garyuu:

Spoiler:

[Spoiler commentary continued here, just because I needed another spoiler tag and you can't do spoilers within spoilers.] It's sort of like

Spoiler: 4-4

You did shed some new light on Dahlia, though. Thanks! =D Alas, those victims of circumstance.

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Tue Mar 25, 2008 5:15 am

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Riykon wrote:

Thanks for humoring me. :garyuu:

Spoiler:

No problem. :edgy:

Spoiler: T&T

I agree that the circumstances certainly don't excuse Dahlia and I have never attempted to make that argument, but I can understand and feel sorry for her without excusing her. Her actions were selfish and it's clear that she understood perfectly well that her actions were wrong. Dahlia proves that by the lengths she went to cover up her crimes. As far as Terry's situation goes, Dahlia's plan was just being put into motion, so the same formula doesn't apply (unless you decide that by escaping she was protecting herself from more emotional abuse). Everything after this was to cover up that first crime except for her final crime. Tricking him into suicide was to keep him from talking, so that part does fit into the theory that her later crimes were to cover up her first. I found her to be a delightful villain because she's both completely despicable and really sympathetic. Dahlia's just such a fascinating character both to analyze and to write fanfics about (... I am completely shameless. I'll stop now. Promise :) ) She does horrible things and nothing excuses that, but Dahlia's life didn't have to turn out like that. Her fate was entirely avoidable with a different upbringing. On another note, how could she have escaped completely without jumping? From that moment, Dahlia Hawthorne was dead and Melissa Foster born. When the kidnapping was resolved she would have had to return to her home and her father. This allowed her to cut all ties to her family, leave Dahlia behind, and have enough money to start over. Had she simply run away with the gem, her father would have searched probably more for the jewel then for Dahlia, but she still wouldn't have been free of him. Leaving without money and nowhere to go isn't really a valid option and Dahlia's too smart to do something like that. Being fourteen and starting over with no money is a sure way to end up on the street (possibly even ending up dead) rather then actually having a decent life like Dahlia appears to have had after her first crime.

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Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:46 am

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Yeah! I was gonna say that, too! :knock-knock:

Thank you, Mia

Anyway, yeah, that's why I can't go with Dahlia as "most evil."

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Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:38 pm

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Matt...

hands down..I mean I would call Dahlia most evil but NASTY and evil..that's just him.. :psycho-matt:

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Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:17 pm

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Dahlia Hawthorne sure lives up to her "Final Boss" title, huh?

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Tue Mar 25, 2008 4:09 pm

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Who is the worst? Why, none other than Redd White. Ruling through blackmail and driving so many people to suicide... It's more heinous than anything the others have done. It's one thing to be killed on the spot, but to live with the belief that your life will become a living Hell if you don't keep your blackmailer appeased is in itself living Hell. I would rather die at the hands of Shelly de Killer or be pushed into a live wire than live under the shadow of blackmail to the point of committing suicide.

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Tue Mar 25, 2008 4:23 pm

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The most evil Phoenix Wright character, in my book, has to be Matt Engarde. I mean, look at what he did- He hired an assassin just to bump off his rival. And as far as we know, the only thing Juan Corrida ever did to him was just that: Be his rival. And then, he turns on the very man whom he hired, plotting the perfect blackmail. Why? Out of his own greed.
Then, we have the case of Celeste Inpax. This was a woman who didn't see thought his ruse, and she loved him. And what does he do? Breaks up with her, for no clear reason, leaving her heartbroken. So, trying to put him out of her mind, she falls in love again with- who else?- Juan Corrida. Now, I'm not going to run to Juan's defense- What he did was just as sickening. But, even so, it could have been avoided if it wasn't for Matt. Matt, who- Even from a stand point- could destroy Celeste yet again but telling Juan the truth. A truth that, in which, would scar Juan, and have him ultimately break up with Celeste- Not to mention canceling the wedding, thus leading her to suicide.

All in all, Matt Engarde is a manipulative, selfish bastard that'll do anything to get his way. If it wasn't for the fact that I love manipulative characters, I'd hate this guy's guts.

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Tue Mar 25, 2008 5:44 pm

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I would have said Dahlia.. But you gotta kinda feel sorry for her.

So I'll say.... Joe Darke. He killed one person in a car accident. Killed someone who witnessed the first crime. Killed a kid passing by. And killed a jogger who saw him buryin the bodies... Plus his profile picture kinda scared me.

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Tue Mar 25, 2008 6:18 pm

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Ryuua wrote:

I would have said Dahlia.. But you gotta kinda feel sorry for her.

So I'll say.... Joe Darke. He killed one person in a car accident. Killed someone who witnessed the first crime. Killed a kid passing by. And killed a jogger who saw him buryin the bodies... Plus his profile picture kinda scared me.

Not to mention, he probably would have killed Neil if he had the chance.

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Tue Mar 25, 2008 7:06 pm

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Shelley De Killer (because he's a hit man, obviously).

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Tue Mar 25, 2008 10:06 pm

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Mr.Trite wrote:

Game Two Spoilers.

The most evil Phoenix Wright character, in my book, has to be Matt Engarde. I mean, look at what he did- He hired an assassin just to bump off his rival. And as far as we know, the only thing Juan Corrida ever did to him was just that: Be his rival. And then, he turns on the very man whom he hired, plotting the perfect blackmail. Why? Out of his own greed.
Then, we have the case of Celeste Inpax. This was a woman who didn't see thought his ruse, and she loved him. And what does he do? Breaks up with her, for no clear reason, leaving her heartbroken. So, trying to put him out of her mind, she falls in love again with- who else?- Juan Corrida. Now, I'm not going to run to Juan's defense- What he did was just as sickening. But, even so, it could have been avoided if it wasn't for Matt. Matt, who- Even from a stand point- could destroy Celeste yet again but telling Juan the truth. A truth that, in which, would scar Juan, and have him ultimately break up with Celeste- Not to mention canceling the wedding, thus leading her to suicide.

All in all, Matt Engarde is a manipulative, selfish bastard that'll do anything to get his way. If it wasn't for the fact that I love manipulative characters, I'd hate this guy's guts.

I totally agree. To add to this, he is completely evil to the end of the case--both the prosecutor, the defense lawyer, and possibly even the judge knows that he is guilty, and he flaunts the fact in his behavior.

Not only this, he hires an assassin for a ridiculous amount of money and doesn't even trust him. He spies on his own dirty work, which is pretty dirty in of itself.

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Tue Mar 25, 2008 10:58 pm

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NinjaMonkey wrote:

Shelley De Killer (because he's a hit man, obviously).

I actually wouldn't say so o_0 Regardless of the fact that he;s a hitman, he has an honor and trust system. He has to be able to trust his clients in order to pull off what he was hired for. If he doesn't, all the blame lies squarely on their shoulders and he cannot be blamed for any of it. Hence case 2-4.

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Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:00 pm

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Oos wrote:

NinjaMonkey wrote:

Shelley De Killer (because he's a hit man, obviously).

I actually wouldn't say so o_0 Regardless of the fact that he;s a hitman, he has an honor and trust system. He has to be able to trust his clients in order to pull off what he was hired for. If he doesn't, all the blame lies squarely on their shoulders and he cannot be blamed for any of it. Hence case 2-4.

I've got to agree with you there. In terms of fictional assassin's, Shelly's actually a bit of a good guy.
I know he's not an actually hit man, per say, but Joe Darke is much worse than Shelly. Unlike DeKiller, Darke was pretty much a cold blooded killer.

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Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:04 pm

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Oos wrote:

I actually wouldn't say so o_0 Regardless of the fact that he;s a hitman, he has an honor and trust system. He has to be able to trust his clients in order to pull off what he was hired for. If he doesn't, all the blame lies squarely on their shoulders and he cannot be blamed for any of it. Hence case 2-4.

I'm not sure I agree with you there. Despite the fact that someone pays him to commit the crime, he is still a cold-blooded murderer who has taken countless lives for money. I'm not sure I'd classify him as the most evil character, but he's certainly not even slightly innocent. Being charming doesn't absolve him of his own sins and he is as responsible for his own action as well as his own decisions as any other person.

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Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:18 pm

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Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:33 am

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Ben Credable (PI) wrote:

Spoiler: JFA and T&T

Spoiler: Same as above

Spoiler: 1-5 (to be safe)

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Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:56 am

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Bossmuff wrote:

Spoiler: Same as above

Spoiler: JFA, T&T

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Wed Mar 26, 2008 1:05 am

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He killed Gregory, ruined Yanni Yogy, twisted the Gregory into something that is almost entirely unrecognizable and then tries to ruin him too. By proxy, he also killed Hammond. He twisted Miles and Franziska's way of thinking so much that they began to believe his perfection spiel. All because of a bloody PENALTY to his record.

And how many innocents had he sent to prison/the dealth penalty because of his perfect win record and forged evidence? We don't know, but given that his record is 40 years old... I have suspicions that it's at least the higher end of 3 digits.

There are no words for him, really.

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Wed Mar 26, 2008 1:41 am

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Mia_Fey wrote:

Spoiler: JFA, T&T

Spoiler:

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Wed Mar 26, 2008 1:44 am

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Mia_Fey wrote:

Oos wrote:

I actually wouldn't say so o_0 Regardless of the fact that he;s a hitman, he has an honor and trust system. He has to be able to trust his clients in order to pull off what he was hired for. If he doesn't, all the blame lies squarely on their shoulders and he cannot be blamed for any of it. Hence case 2-4.

I'm not sure I agree with you there. Despite the fact that someone pays him to commit the crime, he is still a cold-blooded murderer who has taken countless lives for money. I'm not sure I'd classify him as the most evil character, but he's certainly not even slightly innocent. Being charming doesn't absolve him of his own sins and he is as responsible for his own action as well as his own decisions as any other person.

I... disagree with some of this. As you have stated, he is paid to commit these crimes; It is his livelihood. But think back to what his past must have been like. He's the son of an assain. He's the heir to a whole line of assasians. Leaving the family business could have had violent consequences, and even if it didn't, think about this: His last name is DeKiller. The name DeKiller is famous as the name of a line of assasians. What do you think would happen to him if he ever tried get any other job? He probably wouldn't be convicted of the DeKiller family murders, but it would be very likely that he'd end up spilling the beans about his father. If we can feel sorry for Dahlia, pushed into her life by unfortunate circumstance, then we can surely at least try to understand Mr. DeKiller.

Do you guys think I watch too much Law and Order?

Anyway, back on topic. My choice for the nastiest and most evil villian is definately a tie between Engarde, Manfred, and Morgan. All of these disgusting bastards killed for nothing more than their reputation, or revenge for the ruining of said reputation. That is surely a motive I can never forgive. At least the other villians killed for a half-decent reason! At least they had something to justify their actions other than petty egotisicalness! (Is that a word? Oh well.) I can try and succesfully understand most other villians of the series, except for these three insolent... Damn. There's not even a word for them. I'm sorry if it seems like I'm hating them for no reason, but trust me, when you're me, hating these people makes nothing less than perfect sense.

Re: Who do you Think is the Most Evil/Nasty Phoenix Wright Crimi

Wed Mar 26, 2008 1:59 am

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I <3 Edgeworth wrote:

I... disagree with some of this. As you have stated, he is paid to commit these crimes; It is his livelihood. But think back to what his past must have been like. He's the son of an assain. He's the heir to a whole line of assasians. Leaving the family business could have had violent consequences, and even if it didn't, think about this: His last name is DeKiller. The name DeKiller is famous as the name of a line of assasians. What do you think would happen to him if he ever tried get any other job? He probably wouldn't be convicted of the DeKiller family murders, but it would be very likely that he'd end up spilling the beans about his father. If we can feel sorry for Dahlia, pushed into her life by unfortunate circumstance, then we can surely at least try to understand Mr. DeKiller.

Do you guys think I watch too much Law and Order?

He could easily have gotten a name change and pulled away from the De Killer line. As long as he had committed no crimes, there shouldn't have been any problems there. Besides, was it really a family thing or was it a matter of the disciple taking on the master's name to continue the tradition that went with it?

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I can't recall now. He killed repeatedly for money and there really isn't anything to suggest that he had a tough childhood or didn't have a choice. He likes and is very proud of what he does.

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Re: Who do you Think is the Most Evil/Nasty Phoenix Wright Crimi

Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:26 am

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I'm pretty sure I remember Shelley saying "Shelley deKiller" is the alias he adopted when he took up the deKiller mantle.

Re: Who do you Think is the Most Evil/Nasty Phoenix Wright Crimi

Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:28 am

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Re: Who do you Think is the Most Evil/Nasty Phoenix Wright Crimi

Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:35 am

Zeon Twilight

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So many evil assholes to chose from, so little time!

Gahhhhhh...

You know what...I think...The Judge!

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I'd have to go with Redd or Enguarde, Not sure which, I mean Matt was more crazy Clearly, but Redd was more sinister in that he knew exactly what he was doing as he was doing it...

Gmm, now how's that for a fan pairing...?

I can't choose, honestly, then you have Manny Von Karma, who's supposed to be a pillar of justice who brings petty vendetta to every case (Um, yeah, way to common in prosecutors in this game) and no doubt got plenty of innocents sentenced to death...Lots of pure evil in Wrightland

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