Since Godot read the letter about what Morgan had planned about using Dahlia sprit and having Pearl channel her since he knew about it all why didnt he just destroy the letter then everything would have pretty much been prevented :S

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Because he's an idiot. Godot does mention that he wanted Morgan's plan to at least start so that he could save Maya to make up for not saving Mia. Trust me, that isn't the only issue with the plan. There were so many ways to prevent the events of 3-5 if Misty or Godot could have just gotten over themselves. I think the fact that the plan was simply stupid on many, many levels is something we simply need to accept.

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How else could it have been prevented i havnt played the game in a while so i forgot also what u mean if godot and misty fot over themselves i remember now that godot says he wanted morgans plan to start so he could save maya.

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There were about 500 billion ways to prevent Misty's death. But noooooo, Misty and Godot had to be heroes. Now that i think about it, Misty was a selfish bitch. Abandoning her home, culture and daughters because her reputation was ruined, hiding for 17 bloody years only to come back out of the blue to save the day, only to get herself killed and make Pearl and Maya feel guilty. What an arsehole.

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The entire plan revolved around keeping an eye on a nine year old and they couldn't even manage to do that. The plan was for Misty to invite Pearl to read with her so that she wouldn't channel Dahlia and somehow neither of them could see a problem with this. Why was Pearl given a choice about whether or not to go to Misty when Maya's life was on the line? Morgan had raised her children to obey her (something Misty should have known about her own sister) and Pearl was a very obedient child who loved her mother dearly. There was no chance that she was going to ignore her mother's final request to go read with a stranger even if she did look up to the stranger in question. Also if Misty hadn't been such a coward about facing her daughter, she could have told Phoenix and Maya who could then have explained it to Pearl in a way that wouldn't upset her. Instead she puts everyone in danger by going along with the riskiest plan on the planet to avoid having to face up to her own mistakes. Since Pearl trusted both Phoenix and Maya (practically worshipping Maya), if they both insisted that she shouldn't channel Dahlia, its likely that she would have listened. Besides, then both Phoenix and Maya could have have kept an eyes on her as well. I'm sure I'm missing a few more as I'm pretty positive that my last rant on this was longer, but for the time being they escape me. Either way, the plan was seriously screwed up from the very start and the stupidity of the plan drives me nuts.

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I agreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
I really hate Misty. She could have just come out and told everyone who she really was, and saved her daughter a whole lot of heartbreak. But of course, she decided to be a selfish little coward and hide behind a new name, and create a pretentious aura of mystery for herself. I could say the same for Godot, but i wont because i luff him too much

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Godot is the most guilty, as he even admits, he could have prevented the tragedy by simply going to the person closest to both Pearl and Maya-Pheonix. As for Misty, I think you guys are being a bit harsh. She may have left her home, but in her eyes, it was for the best. She felt she had shamed her clan, which she kind of had, and her presence might have led to her girls being treated badly right along with her, since the DL-6 incident tarnished the Kurain Technique. It must have been very painful for her to do so, and we do know that they were always in her thoughts.

As for the plan, we really have no idea just how much Godot told her or when he told her it. She might not have known what was going on until shortly before the incident, and since we know Godot wanted to save Maya, he might have done this on purpose, to ensure nothing would prevent her life from being endangered, somewhat subconsciously. Misty was hoping to resolve the matter without Dahlia ever having to be summoned and no one being in danger, and the easiest way to do this was to keep Pearl busy. She left before Pearl was born, so she really had no way of knowing anything about her relationship with Morgan. They may have also underestimated her because of her age, thinking it would be easy to make the girl just forget about the letter and plan.

When it came right down to it, in hopes to save Pearl from being caught up in the whole affair, she channeled the spirit herself and placed her faith in Godot to protect her daughter above all else. She was willing to die for the sake of that.

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[Dahlia fanboyism] Of course, if Dahlia wasn't executed in the first place (and given a life sentence instead), the whole plan would have been a no-go from the start. [/Dahlia fanboyism]

I'm sure that, somewhere out there, in the infinite number of parallel universes, there exists one where Dahlia has not been executed. It's a universe where the police are intelligent, the people are sane, and no one drools over Edgeworth and Ron. On second thought, I must be wrong. Such a universe could never exist. Abandon all hope.

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Yeah, I even tried creating a situation in the RP I'm in where Dahlia could have just confessed and taken a prison sentence, but then she fell off Dusky Bridge and smashed into the bedrock.

It looks like Dahlia's just destined to die no matter what. So tragic.

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First off, there is no excuse for abandoning her two young daughters. I don't care that she was in pain. Misty had a responsibility to her children. It's not like its a momentary thing either or that she just needed to get away for a few years. She left for seventeen years and never so much as called them. There is no evidence to suggest that her staying would have hurt her children. No matter hat she did, she is still there mother, so if she believed that being related to her would hurt them because of this then she should have taken them with her. The only one who appears to have hurt her children was Misty herself. That is cowardice at the very least. But in my last post I was only talking about 3-5, so lets start there. Going through what Misty knew at the time, we know she knew that Maya's life was in danger. That right there is a major cause for concern and we know she knew that from the very beginning. We know she knew that Pearl was supposed to channel Dahlia at Morgan's request to kill Maya. Right there is where I run into issues. If she knew her daughter's life was in danger, she should have swallowed her own pain and told her. This is not some game. Instead, she chooses not to talk to Maya so that she doesn't have to face her daughter and her own pain. There is no excuse for risking Maya's life like that simply to spare her own feelings. She screwed up when she left all those years before. I agree. Now go tell your daughter she's in danger even if Misty can't bring herself to reveal who she really is. There is no logical reason for not telling Phoenix and Maya, except for Godot's insanity, but she didn't have to go along with him when she had to know that warning Maya is the best thing to do.

Misty then precedes to simply invite Pearl to come to her, but doesn't both to keep an eye on the nine-year old. It doesn't matter how you spin this plan even if all you knew was just those facts. She couldn't figure out that her sister (whom she did know well) would have raised her child to be obedient or that most nine-year olds are going to follow their parent's request before that of a strangers? It's just stupid to think that any nine-year old child is going to ignore their parent's "last request" to go read a book and I don't plan on excusing her for stupidity. She should have known better. An older child might have gone to her, but for a child so young, a parent's approval means a great deal. If Misty had really wanted to distract Pearl, she should have done more then just invite her to come along. The best thing she could have done, of course, is tell Maya or Phoenix (See, she doesn't even have to face her daughter. She sees them together and can figure out that Phoenix is close to Maya, but decides not to tell him because of Godot's idiocy I would assume. Or perhaps fear that Phoenix would tell Maya about her) but she was too big a coward for that and too stupid to keep track of a nine-year old. Why should excuse her for any of that? She avoids Maya because she can't face her own mistakes even though this means putting Maya's life at risk. At the very least, she's a careless and selfish idiot with more concern for her own feelings then her daughter's life. I have some worse thoughts about her, but I won't talk about them here because last time it was brought up, it turned into a huge debate and I'm not really in the mood. But no, I most certainly don't think I'm being overly harsh. Both Godot and Misty are responsible for the mess that this case turned out to be. Had one of them been able to get over themselves, then this case would never have occurred.

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We are told throughout the series that both Misty and the Kurain Technique suffered much after the DL-6 incident. While I do not agree with her leaving, in her eyes, it might have been for the best, lest they get caught up in the anger directed towards her. It is similiar to how Mia left home so that she wouldn't have to worry about fighting with her sister over the title of "Master". Plus, if Misty had stayed, who knows what Morgan might have tried to do in order to steal away her title, which might not have been hard following that incident. It would have cost her children deeply as well.

As for the plan, Pearl is only a nine-year-old girl, whom she had never met before. I said this already, but we still don't know just what Misty was told or when she was told it. Just telling Maya would not have kept her safe and would have only caused her unneccessary strife. Keeping Pearl busy was a way to prevent the tragedy and keep everyone in the dark about it. It's easy to try and place all the blame on Misty, but keeping an eye on a little kid is not easy. You honestly expected her to suddenly reveal to Maya that she's her mother and that her little cousin might channel a spirit that's going to kill her? I think that would be cruel, even if it would make things easier. Also, it could have made things turn out worse for all involved. Remember, Maya couldn't see her attacker. If she had been told, she might have thought it was Pearl, and her unwillingness to fight back might have lead her to slip up and get killed. And she certainly wouldn't have just stood back while Godot tried to kill who might be Pearl. It's far too easy to claim how things could have turned out better later, but in the end, they had their own circumstances and their own reasons. In the end, you have no idea what might have worked and what might have led to even greater tragedy. Even the best-made plans can go awry. Either way, we know Misty was willing to die to protect her daughter, and that is worth something.

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"Your life is in danger. Don't go to that temple." Isn't that enough to stop things? Even if she had only approached Maya right before the plan had gone off, Maya would still have been safer then allowing things to go through like she did. Keeping an eye on one nine-year old is very easy. Trust the experienced baby-sitter on this. If I take a kid outside to play, they don't leave my line of sight and Pearl should never have been out of Misty's. She had one job. To watch Pearl. Nothing else mattered. Pearl's going to her should not have been an option. They all had dinner together, so after dinner, Misty should have to get retrieve Pearl. Instead she waits for Pearl to come, instead of actively trying to protect both of them. If Maya had known, then she could have talked to Pearl or not gone to the Inner Temple that night. She was only there because she didn't realize that she was in danger. I can't imagine that, had Maya or Phoenix known what was going on, she would have gone ahead and put herself in a position where she could be killed. The set-up for the crime that night doesn't even happen if Maya knew what was going to happen. Why would she go to the Inner Temple when she knows what kind of danger she is in? The answer is that she wouldn't. Maya and Phoenix could have found a way to explain things to Pearl that would have avoided this tragedy without hurting Pearl as badly as this did. By allowing it to go through, she put both Maya and Pearl in danger.

As for being a bit cruel, I think it was crueler to have Maya watch her mother die before her eyes and put through hell on top of that. I think its crueler that Pearl was put into a position where she could have unknowingly killed the person she admired most (and has to live with that the rest of her life now) and then had to feel guilty for Misty's death. By far, the less cruel option is to tell Maya what is going on so the whole thing could have been prevented. The fact that she couldn't manage to overcome her own pain for her daughter's sake shows us who she really is. None of this happened if either Godot or Misty spoke up and told the others.

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You're assuming a lot of things. As I keep saying, we don't know just what was included in that letter, or how much Godot chose to tell Misty. Since he even admits to being guility of not taking the best course of action for his own interests, who's to say he didn't leave stuff out when he told Misty what was going on? He could have told her just the most minimal of details, preventing her from taking another course of action, and might have even taken the initiative on the plan. Not much you can do if someone calls you up, says your daughter's life is in danger, leaves a plan for you and hangs up.

Telling Maya not to go to the temple would've prompted a lot of questions she wasn't prepared to answer and likely wouldn't have helped. First, it's unlikely Maya would have listened, since she did come there for training, dragging Pheonix along. Second, if anything, not going to the temple would have made it easier for Dahlia to claim her life. Sure, there were more people around, but because of that, Dahlia would be more careful. In the guise of Iris, she could easily sneak in while Maya was sleeping or simply get her to let her into her room and launch a surprise attack. And it doesn't matter how good a babysitter you are, a kid is bound to escape your line of sight at some point, especially one as clever and determined as Pearl. Also, keep in mind that Misty wasn't actually in charge of her in any way, so she couldn't exactly go following her around and acting all suspicious. The only feelings that were on Misty's mind that night was her love for her daughter and a desire to protect her no matter what the cost. She came to that temple with a sword hidden in her staff, willing to kill or die if neccessary.

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tldr;


Yeah, you're right. Oh, no, wait, you could tell your daughter her life is in danger so she and her friends could take precautions instead of leaving her in the dark about a pissed-off serial killer plotting on her life.


Dahlia's trying to kill me? Chyeah, whatever, I'm here for training! Later, mom!


Do you really think Maya would be left alone if Phoenix and the others knew about Dahlia?


They could have told her the truth. Pearl is already aware that her mother is in prison for trying to frame Maya for murder. I don't think it would be that difficult to convince her that she was actually trying to kill her this time around.


Yeah, Misty was willing to kill or die to protect Maya, but not willing to swallow her pride or hurt anyone's feelings by telling her about Morgan's plan.

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I find that you are assuming things more then I am. All Misty had to know to stop things was that her daughter was in danger and she did know this. She didn't need to know anything else to realize that Maya would be best off if she could protect herself. No matter how you try to spin it, Maya was in more danger as long as she was left in the dark about what was going on. Even a call without identifying herself would at least have made Maya and Phoenix question going at all. Besides, if she cared so much for her daughter, isn't Maya's safety more important some discomfort for Misty? "I'm your mother. I'm sorry for everything, but please listen. Don't go to this place because your life is in danger." That was all she needed to do. Would it have been fun for Misty? No, of course not, but shouldn't her daughter be more important then Misty's selfish desire to not face her own mistakes? Would Maya have listened? Most likely. She went for training, but Maya was never overly concerned with her training and hearing word from her mother telling her to stay away, at least for one night would likely have convinced her to stay away. Even if Maya hadn't wanted to listen, its unlikely Phoenix would have gone along with it as long as there was a chance that Maya was in danger.

Dahlia would not have been channelled had Maya and Phoenix known. Even if they chose not to talk to Pearl about it, which I find unlikely as I imagine they would have sat Pearl down and told her not to channel Dahlia (remember Pearl didn't know who Dahlia was so if she had been told that Dahlia was a bad person by two people whom she cared about and trusted, then she probably wouldn't have tried to channel her. Misty and Godot don't even try to talk her out of channeling Dahlia. All they do is try to distract her), then at least we have two more pairs of eyes watching Pearl. Or they could have left the temple before that mess happened had they known it was even a possibility. They were only still there and vulnerable because they didn't know. Misty is an adult and the Master of Kurain. She was more then capable of defying Godot had she decided that her daughter's safety was more important then both his and her petty problems. Misty made a conscious choice not to tell her daughter.

Pearl was not bounding around, but simply walked away because no one was watching her. Misty had no idea where Pearl had gone after dinner and it should not have been a choice for Pearl to come to her. Sitting next to her during dinner, then "Let's go read now, Pearl" "I'm not sure." "Now!" Would Pearl have been upset? Maybe, but is having to upset her mildly really worse then how things ended up? No of course not. All Misty had to do was watch one little girl and this is not that hard to do if Misty truly kept an eye on her. Misty states that she was waiting for Pearl and that Pearl never showed up. Misty did not make an effort to watch Pearl, choosing to wait passively for her to show up. Because no one could have guessed that Pearl might not come to her? That is just stupid.

You can forgive Misty if you want to, the characters in the game certainly do even if I can't forgive her, but her actions were selfish and stupid at the very best. It's certainly not completely her fault that this happened as Godot shares in the blames, but Misty must be held responsible for her mistakes (which were extremely numerous and damaging to those around her) as anyone else would be.

You are still making the same assumptions. Misty's knowledge of the situation is likely very limited, given what we know of Godot and his motives. He could have just called her and told him her kid was in danger and to meet him at the temple. If that was indeed the case, she would not have been able to simply call and warn them not to come, as if a call alone would stop them. And you also have to consider that it's almost impossible to factor in unexpected events when planning. For example, they had not factored in the bridge getting burnt down. With limited knowledge and unexpected factors, Misty likely did what she thought best. I refuse to believe that, like Godot, she was thinking of her own desires and feelings. She tried to keep Pearl busy and prevent the tragedy from ocurring at all, and when she realized the girl was gone, she chose to risk summoning the spirit herself, so that Pearl would not end up doing it. And, if Godot kept up his part in protecting Maya, she must have known that, by doing this, it was likely she would be killed.

The whole situation was a delicate one. As onlookers after the fact, it's easy to say she should have just revealed her identity and told Maya what was going on or she should have stalked Pearl through the temple just to keep an eye on her. But again, who's to say that would have made everything alright? Following Pearl would have just made her look suspicious and likely made the girl more eager to get away, and attempting to boss her around like you suggested would not have worked or been good, since she's technically a stranger to this girl, as far as she knows. And you are saying how strong Pearl's devotion to her mother is. Even if she was told about everything, she might consider it a lie and go through with the channeling anyway. You and I have unfair advantages. We know more than Misty did that night, as well as how things turned out because of her choices, so it's easy to place the blame on her.

It's like being trapped in a murderer's mansion and face with two doors-one leading to death and one leading outside to safety, and each one labelled as one or the other. If the person chooses the door that's supposed to be the exit and finds out that it's not and winds up being killed, it's easy as onlookers who know that to say that they should have assumed the signs were lies. If the person had gone through the door claiming it lead to death with that belief in mind and the sign ended up being true, then we'd be chastising them for being stupid enough to choose the door specifically labelled as leading to death.O_O

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She knew that Maya's life was in danger before she got there. Misty said as much when she identified herself to Bikini and that was why she was there in the first place, so why wouldn't saying to Maya and Phoenix that Maya's life was in danger be enough? She didn't need to give them details. Just don't come or you could die would be enough to convince them this was a bad idea particularly if she identified herself to them. Misty at knew least her part in the plan when she sees them earlier that day (and that means she knew everything I stated earlier because otherwise she wouldn't have known how to carry through her role) and invites Pearl to come read with her. Maya wants to help with dinner, but Misty sends her away passing up a golden opportunity to warn Maya about what was going on. She had all day before the plan went into effect to warn them, but she tells them nothing. Not even a hint is given to warn them. You can refuse to believe it all you like, but it doesn't change what she did and what she didn't do. If you choose to give her other motivations, then feel free to do so, but your response doesn't explain what she did.



Identifying herself was easy since she carried the Master symbol with her and she wouldn't have had to stalk Pearl if she had simply told Phoenix, Maya, and possibly Pearl what was going on here. How would telling them have done anything, but protect them all? I agree that stalking Pearl isn't the best choice, but it woudn't have gotten to that point if she could have dealt with her own pain and faced her past mistakes. Following her closely is certainly better then waiting passively for Pearl to possibly show up. Still, telling them is the best choice. The next choice is physically making sure that Pearl couldn't follow Maya. Pearl went to the Inner Temple on her own carrying a pot of gravy and yet Misty couldn't see this. Why? Because she had simply assumed that Pearl would come to her and made no attempt to keep an eye on her or encourage her more to come to her. If need be, Pearl should have been taken by the hand and led by Misty away from the danger. Both Pearl and Maya's lives were on the line plus anyone else caught in the cross-fire, but even knowing this, Misty made no attempt to keep a close eye on Pearl or tell anyone.



That isn't this situation at all. There are at least five options I can come up with off the top of my head that would have been better than Misty's choice.
1) Tell Phoenix and Maya with or without identifying herself
2) Tell Pearl
3) Stay with Pearl all night and then lead her to the room to read
4) Taking to just Maya
5) Talking to just Phoenix

All of those lead to better solutions then what she managed to do and they don't require more knowledge then she had. Just look at the set up of the plan and you'll see that anyone with a brain can see it isn't solid. The plan was distract Pearl by simply inviting her to read and then Godot would wait in hiding just in case. That was it. That was the plan. If she couldn't figure out that the plan was weak and dangerous at best, then she's a moron. It doesn't take a lot of brains to do the other things I've suggested, but it does take some courage. The fact that she went along with Godot willingly says a lot about her and none of it flattering.

Let's call a truce. Everyone reads the characters differently and I'm tired of arguing over this.

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so why wouldn't saying to Maya and Phoenix that Maya's life was in danger be enough? She didn't need to give them details. Just don't come or you could die would be enough to convince them this was a bad idea particularly if she identified herself to them.

And how would she contact them prior to their arrival at the temple? I doubt she had the phone number for the office handy, and even if she did, there's a good chance they'd end up ignoring the warning and rushing headfirst into the danger, like they so often do. Identifying herself would likely just ensure that. Maya would jump at the chance to see her mother again, and such a message would clearly suggest she's at the temple, giving her a reason to risk her life and go. Maya's the type who would do something like that.



Maya wants to help with dinner, but Misty sends her away passing up a golden opportunity to warn Maya about what was going on. She had all day before the plan went into effect to warn them, but she tells them nothing. Not even a hint is given to warn them.

Of course Misty wouldn't risk Maya being around Pearl. There was always a chance she might have misunderstood part of the letter, which she does, and channel the spirit early, putting Maya in even graver danger and forcing Misty to defend her against the vengeful wraith in her innocent cousin's body. This could have easily lead to an even greater tragedy. And I already stated why hints and warnings at the temple would do little good. Staying at the main temple could be considered even more dangerous, while warning her about Pearl would likely just make her want to foolishly rush to the girl's side and put her own life at risk regardless.


1) Tell Phoenix and Maya with or without identifying herself

She'd likely have no way to contact them at the office. Even if she did, not identifying herself would likely cause them to just view the warning as a prank or be suspicious and still go. If she did, Maya would most definately go anyway, for the purpose of seeing her mother.


2) Tell Pearl

Other than the obvious issue with revealing to this poor child that her beloved mother was plotting to use her to kill her cousin and frame her half-sister, there is a high possibility that she is more likely to trust her mother than some stranger. At any rate, I can't see any sane person telling a kid stuff like that.


3) Stay with Pearl all night and then lead her to the room to read

Nine or not, Misty could not force the girl to do something she did not want to do, even as an adult. She had no known authority over her, and trying to force her would just cause trouble. Her loyalty to her mother and her worry for Maya would have prompted her to try and get away regardless, that much is obvious. She'd go to the bathroom and climb out a window if need be, because she's pretty resourceful.


4) Taking to just Maya

I've alread stated the problems with doing this prior to their arrival, so let's talk about telling her after her arrival. If she doesn't introduce herself, Maya may be wary, but she'd likely still go. She's stubborn, and after all, the whole reason she came up here in the first place was to train. Pearl made the reservation just for her, and they even dragged poor Pheonix along for the ride, so it's unlikely she'd turn away just because of a stranger's warning. But what if Misty were to reveal her identity. It's possible that Maya would take the warning seriously, but it's also possible she'd either not believe her or become very upset and run off, putting her in more danger yet again. You yourself seemed upset at the idea of Maya being left by her mother at such a young age, so who's to say Maya herself wouldn't be?


5) Talking to just Phoenix

Why would Misty warn Pheonix? To her, he's just some guy hanging around her daughter, with no knowledge of the Fey family. She might not even be aware of the depth of their relationship. And you wouldn't want to go up to just anyone and say "Hey, that little girl is going to channel the spirit of a crazed killer who's after Maya's life.". Most people-I'm looking at you, Edgeworth>_>;-would think you're nuts if you did something like that. Also, she might have thought him to be an idiot who could not do anything to help. If she did learn about him, it was likely from Godot, and that's exactly the kind of thing he would say.>_>;

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Phoenix is an attorney so his office number would be listed. You're telling me she doesn't remember the phone number for Kurain? That was her home and there was no reason for them to change the number. She could go to Kurain personally or stop by Phoenix's office. It also doesn't have to be before they get to the temple. There is a long period of time before Maya goes off by herself where Misty could have told either of them. Do you really believe that they would have stayed at the temple had they known? That they wouldn't have tried to talk to Pearl? This was the best option available and it would have worked just fine if she could have gotten over herself. Maya probably would have wanted to see her mother, but there were plenty of better options. Misty could have agreed meet with them in a less dangerous situation to satisfy Maya if she had contacted them before, met with them at the temple and taken them away from there, or some many other options. She should have told them at some point before things went wrong. That would have protected everyone, but it would also mean facing her pain and her own mistakes which she couldn't bring herself to do.



There is no evidence for that. The letter clearly says ten and no attempt to deal with Pearl are made until that time. She was not afraid of Pearl channeling Dahlia early. Hell, its Pearl who goes to tell Phoenix and Maya that the food is ready and then they all eat together. It's more likely that she sent Maya away to try and bond with Pearl so that it would be more likely Pearl would stop by, but pulling Maya aside and telling her what was going on would make that bonding time unnecessary because the entire counter plan would not rely on Pearl happening to go to Misty's room after dinner. They wouldn't have still been there had she told them. That was the best option, but it was also the option with the most pain for Misty. Hence she can't bring herself to do so.



A phone is a good thing and she clearly had contact with Godot so there is no reason she couldn't ahve called them or gone to find them. Stop by Kurain, stop by the office, tell them when they arrived at the temple, etc... There were so many chances for her to tell them, but she didn't.



It may have hurt, but there are ways to soften to blow. "Your mom thinks this is best but its wrong" "Your mom doesn't understand how bad Dahlia really is." Besides, a little pain is better then risking everybody's lives. There was no way Pearl was getting out of this unhurt, but Misty made things worse. Pearl was already aware that Morgan had done something very bad so, while it may have hurt, I doubt it would have shocked her too badly.



Pearl isn't the type to put up a big fight. Yes, she wanted to do as her mother wished, but other then slapping Phoenix a bit, she is a very obedient child. She clearly respected Msity (or Elise) and Misty could have kept control of her if she'd even tried. She doesn't even make an attempt.



Maya would not go if her mother, after identifying herself, told her that her life is in danger. She may be silly at times, but there would be no reason for her to put herself in danger if she had known. Maya is nothing but forgiving of her mother. There is no anger in the times they talk about her and Maya is certain that her mother is alive, so there is no reason that Maya would have overreacted to her mother's reappearance. Beside, Misty carries the Master's symbol at all times. That was how Bikini recognized her, so showing that to Maya would prove her identity. Misty just couldn't face Maya.



She is aware that they are friendly when she sees them and certainly could have pulled him aside. Another pair of eyes is helpful particularly when it is clear that Maya and Pearl both trust him completely. When she can see how they interact and have been watching them all night, she can probably figure things out. Besides, it wouldn't take much to look into what her daughter's been up to for the past three years and see how close they have been as well as how many times Phoenix saved her (including cases involving spirit channelling like 2-2). If he went through all that all those times, why wouldn't he help here? All cases are a matter of public record. If Misty didn't care enough to look into her daughter's past or keep an eye on her, that doesn't help your argument.

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Phoenix is an attorney so his office number would be listed. You're telling me she doesn't remember the phone number for Kurain? That was her home and there was no reason for them to change the number. She could go to Kurain personally or stop by Phoenix's office.

You're making the unlikely assumption that she even knows of Maya's relationship with Pheonix. And if I remember correctly, all Kurain has is a payphone. Not exactly good for calling people, and given how much time Maya spends helping Pheonix, it seems unlikely she'd have been able to get ahold of her anyways. As for going there, I can't see anyone going back to a place where they are shunned and hated, especially when there are other alternatives.



It also doesn't have to be before they get to the temple. There is a long period of time before Maya goes off by herself where Misty could have told either of them. Do you really believe that they would have stayed at the temple had they known? That they wouldn't have tried to talk to Pearl?

Most parents also try to protect their kids from stuff like that. I can't think of many who would tell their kids someone is out to kill them. Some may argue it's better for them to know, but other parents prefer not to frighten their children. Maya's an emotional girl, and it all might have been a bit too much for her. You saw how she was ready to denounce her status as a member of the Fey family after the events of that night. She was already trying to cope with her mother's disappearance, her sister's murder, being tried for her sister's murder, her channeling gone awry, being tried for the doctor's murder, her aunt's plotting against her, being kidnapped and starved, and the pressure of becoming the next master along with all the neccessary training. It was a wonder the poor kid hadn't snapped. And you wanted Misty to just pop up and reveal that she's her mother, her aunt is still plotting to kill her, her cousin's part in said plot is to summon a spirit that wants to kill her, and said spirit and her accomplice are also her cousins. What mother would want to heap all that on a girl who had already been through so much? Is it so impossible to understand what Misty might have been thinking. And the same goes for Pearl, as I mentioned before. Who would tell her all that horrible stuff?



but it was also the option with the most pain for Misty. Hence she can't bring herself to do so.

You keep saying stuff like this, but nowhere is it hinted that Misty was thinking of anything but her daughter's safety and keeping Pearl from getting involved. We learn that Godot is doing this for his own reasons more than for Maya's sake, but nothing is ever said about this being the case with Misty. In fact, he hints at the opposite by mentioning the staff and how she was prepared to kill or be killed to protect Maya.


It may have hurt, but there are ways to soften to blow. "Your mom thinks this is best but its wrong" "Your mom doesn't understand how bad Dahlia really is." Besides, a little pain is better then risking everybody's lives. There was no way Pearl was getting out of this unhurt, but Misty made things worse. Pearl was already aware that Morgan had done something very bad so, while it may have hurt, I doubt it would have shocked her too badly.

I don't think it's truly possible to soften a blow like that. And while she did know her mom did something bad, she didn't seem to understand it, since it's clear she still trusts her mom completely. And remember, she was not there for the trial. Also, in the end, it would be a lie, since Morgan did know how bad Dahlia was. And implying that she didn't and was just a good person making a mistake could lead to the incident happening again in the future, since Pearl would remain so trusting of her mother. The way to get her out of it unhurt, was to keep her from channeling the spirit by spending the time reading with Misty, but things did not go as planned.



Pearl isn't the type to put up a big fight. Yes, she wanted to do as her mother wished, but other then slapping Phoenix a bit, she is a very obedient child. She clearly respected Msity (or Elise) and Misty could have kept control of her if she'd even tried. She doesn't even make an attempt.

You don't know that she doesn't make an attempt. We don't see most of her interaction with the child. And from what I've seen of Pearl, she can be pretty determined when she wants to be. Maya was like her big sister and ensuring her safety and channeling the spirit for "her sake" would be very important to her, as well as following her mother's orders.



Maya would not go if her mother, after identifying herself, told her that her life is in danger. She may be silly at times, but there would be no reason for her to put herself in danger if she had known. Maya is nothing but forgiving of her mother. There is no anger in the times they talk about her and Maya is certain that her mother is alive, so there is no reason that Maya would have overreacted to her mother's reappearance. Beside, Misty carries the Master's symbol at all times. That was how Bikini recognized her, so showing that to Maya would prove her identity. Misty just couldn't face Maya.

Knowing the type of girl Maya is, I believe she would in fact go. Pheonix isn't an idiot, but even after being warned, he was still ready to run across that burned bridge in order to save Maya. Emotion can make people do reckless things. Seeing her beloved, long-lost mother could very well prompt that reaction. And another important thing to remember, Misty has not seen her in a very long time. She has no way of knowing her daughter's current personality or how she might react, so it's more than possible she assume either Maya would ignore her warning in her excitement or get upset and run off into danger.



She is aware that they are friendly when she sees them and certainly could have pulled him aside. Another pair of eyes is helpful particularly when it is clear that Maya and Pearl both trust him completely. When she can see how they interact and have been watching them all night, she can probably figure things out. Besides, it wouldn't take much to look into what her daughter's been up to for the past three years and see how close they have been as well as how many times Phoenix saved her (including cases involving spirit channelling like 2-2). If he went through all that all those times, why wouldn't he help here? All cases are a matter of public record. If Misty didn't care enough to look into her daughter's past or keep an eye on her, that doesn't help your argument.

She might not have been able to look into these things wherever she was. And even if she had access to such things, it might not occur to her to read newspapers and stuff about trials to learn about her daughter. The most she could know for sure is that the girls were friendly with Pheonix, which is not enough to tell him all this spirit-channeling stuff.

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I'm tired and I don't care anymore. Nothing you have there actually changes what I've stated nor explains why Misty didn't simply tell Maya when that was clearly the best option. If you want to believe that she was so stupid that she couldn't see what she was doing was wrong (I've already said that I don't plan on excusing her for stupidity), then that is your choice. You can make excuses for her all you like, but nothing changes the fact that she had every opportunity to tell them and yet she said nothing. At the very least, she was very stupid and careless. Read her as you wish. I really don't care, but we're really off topic and I have two papers due tomorrow. I don't think you can honestly call her a good mother. She may have loved Maya, but she seemed more interested in protecting herself throughout the entire game rather then doing what was best for Maya.

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We are not being off-topic, since the whole point of this topic if the prevention of everything that happened. And you could at least take the time to READ my posts, since I spent so much time typing them after reading through yours. I've given you reason after reason, but you don't seem to even be paying any attention to them, which is essential for any good debate.

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I read through them carefully, but you are repeating the same arguments which I have addressed. I have addressed all your points one after another and I am most certainly not ignoring you. We've both laid out our arguments and now others can read them and decide who made the stronger cases. I just don't have the time or energy to respond, so I'm trying to end this debate while we're still on friendly terms. I wasn't aware that no longer wishing to participate in a debate or that holding to my points which still seem to work was a crime. Can we perhaps end this on good terms? If In offended you, I apologize. That wasn't my intention.

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It is the opposite, with you just making the same arguments, continually asking why Misty didn't tell Maya who she was and that her life was in danger, even after I provided you with a bunch of reasons.

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Maybe it's because the "reasons" you give, like how Misty might have thought scaring Maya or hurting Pearl's feelings was worse than having either of them murdered, or that nobody would listen to her when she made no effort to even try to make them listen, are ridiculous assumptions and don't excuse Misty's actions in the slightest.

I'm not going to bother arguing this with you since I don't care for your poor attitude at all. Mia responded to each of your points very clearly and politely, and you replied with what amounts to "No, you're not listening to me!" and "You're wrong!" If you aren't willing to be more open-minded and courteous to the other people on these forums, I'd suggest not attempting to debate with them.

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Talk about rude! You're the one being rude! I've provided more than enough reasons why Misty might not have chosen to take certain actions, but they were just ignored and the same old stuff repeated. I've been as polite as could be, and your claims otherwise just prove that fact. People like you two are so desperate to keep your reviews, that you will do whatever, even pick a fight with an innocent individual. I put a lot of thought into each of my posts, providing sound arguments for everything, but that just isn't "worthy" of your attention. Shame on you both for acting like children because someone disagreed with you.>_<

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Er, I read this topic, and I really, really think it was you being childish. Just accept it and move on. Not everyone's going to agree with you, and they were not acting like children in the slightest. They were merely stating their own opinion.

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No, I was just stating my opinion. Not only that, but I provided perfectly good reasons to back up my beliefs and disprove theirs. And what do I get? Ignored and harassed. They are so set in their belief that Misty is some horrible woman, that they just couldn't accept the good points I made and instead chose to either ignore them or accuse me of being childish, which I was not.

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You didn't disprove anything. All you did was add more (your opinion), HOWEVER you kept pressing that they were wrong. =\

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That's a total lie! She wanted to know why Misty would choose not to warn Maya or keep a better eye on Pearl and so on, and I provided very good and believeable reasons why she would or could not. You don't have to believe them, but it's rude to just ignore them. And even if there is no proof, there is the character's personalities, at least, to support me. In the end, her beliefs have no solid proof either.

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Alright, here's what I think.

I think that thesteelsamurai can defend the emotion behind their actions, that's perfectly acceptable. Because I think we can all recognize that they MEANT well. The sheer stupidity of their actions make that really hard to accept that, however.

But I agree completely with Mia_Fey's interpretation of the facts and the ideas they expressed. The chances of things going down any worse than they did--very highly unlikely. At the very least Maya and Nick wouldn't have gone in blind. Crap may still have gone badly. They might not have believed a word of any warning Misty might have had (I think it's possible they would, but I accept they might not.) At the very least, they would've had that in their heads.

Maya would've been crazy serious about finding out the truth, no doubt there ("DON'T COME YOU WILL DIE, LOVE MOM" "LOVE MOM? NICK WE LEAVE NOW"). And Phoenix couldn't have stopped her, so he'd have come along to protect her as best he could. And that STILL beats nobody knowing anything until someone is dead and finding out three days later GODOT did it. Yeah, that's effed up to the max. They blew it big time, by not telling anyone what was going on.

And while I can understand their reasoning, and I certainly have a full grasp of the their feelings, I don't find it hard at all for anyone to frown so deeply at their actions. I wouldn't go so far as to say that Misty thought she had more power than she actually did, but I do think that if she believed she (and Godot) couldn't handle it, she would've told someone.

I really thinkg that it's touchy because there was no right or wrong way to handle things. But I DO think they could've done a lot better than they did, Misty and Godot. Misty especially. By the time it got to Godot, he was sort of screwed. That's really all there is to it.

So thesteelsamurai, I think you're right in regards to their intentions, but I also think that Mia_Fey is correct to believe that their course of actions were God awful at best.

Tbh, how Godot and Misty reacted to Dahlia's plan was just epic failure at best.