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I felt like creating a poll to voice the opinions of the players themselves, to clear up just how the new characters match up their previous "counterparts". All you have to do is vote for each character or their "doppler", to help prove the point of who is better than who. Here are all the characters... (Point out any relevent missing characters)

Phoenix Wright - 1
Apollo justice - 0

Maya Fey - 0
Trucy Wright - 1

Miles Edgeworth - 1
Klavier Gavin - 0
*Other - 0

Dick Gumshoe - 1
Ema Skye - 0

*I know I didn't add Franziska or Von karma, but I figure since this is the first Apollo game, they might add their counterparts later in. So for now, they lie under the "Other" category. Along with Winston Payne I guess.

Now for personal Opinion. I vote Phoenix because he started the franchise. He was the guy that made this game what it is, not to mention he's just an awesome character on his own. I've grown to accept Apollo, but he doesn't quite match up to Phoenix.

Maya is alright, but Trucy pawns. I love her character design, and her silliness just about matches Maya's, which I like as well. Her scared pose is pretty cute too. Easy win here.

Edgeworth was a formidable adversary throughout the series. Gavin barely does anything and when he does, you usually end up pawning him right back anyway. Not to mention that "Herr forehead" bit is incredibly boring as a taunt and get's old really quickly. Franziska ftw when it comes to taunts.

I like Dick (rofl) better than Ema only because of how much of an idiot he was. Ema still helps you (much more willingly mind you) than gumshoe, but doesn't leave much for an interesting conversation. Mostly just *MUNCH MUNCH MUNCH*. Too bad, I liked her as a teen much better.

And now the poll's go to you fellow pursuers of truth. I ask you...Who is better?
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Wow, Seem's most people so far enjoyed the previous characters more.

Phoenix Wright - 4
Apollo justice - 0

Maya Fey - 3
Trucy Wright - 1

Miles Edgeworth - 3
Klavier Gavin - 1
*Other - 0

Dick Gumshoe - 3
Ema Skye - 1

*NEW

Mia - 1
Kristoph - 0
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Apollo (THAT'S RIGHT I SAID IT BETCHES)

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*GASP and Apollo vote

Phoenix Wright - 5
Apollo justice - 1

Maya Fey - 4
Trucy Wright - 2

Miles Edgeworth - 5
Klavier Gavin - 1
*Other - 0

Dick Gumshoe - 4
Ema Skye - 2

Mia - 3
Kristoph - 0
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Apollo. (I'm going there with ya, Watatata~!) No contest. Phoenix was alright in the first three games, but in AJ... God, there's not even a word for it. He turned into a sarcasitc bastard (Not that wasn't already one), and turned on everything he ever stood for.

Trucy. She rules. And she likes pudding! Plus, my friendly neighborhood Mr. Hat is awesome.

Edgeworth. Klavier was boring as hell and then some. Bring us a prosecutor with an interesting background for AJ, guys!

Gumshoe. Ema was just stupid and grumpy. It was all Snackoos and munching with her.

Kristoph. Why the hell hasn't anyone voted for him? He's got my three Cs: cool, calm, and collected. With all the stuff he's got under his belt, he can't be beat. Mia, especially at the end of T&T, just lost her touch. She only came in the nick of time to save your ass when you couldn't figure a way to get yourself out of the hole you dug.
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This was just a poll on the front page :\
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Well I think it would make for a good discussion too, right?

Phoenix Wright: Because for one, I'm not that fond of Apollo. He just can't ever hope to live up to Nick, in my book. ;-;

Maya Fey: I don't have much of a reason really, except the fact that spirit medium trumps magician. I think it's more original.

Miles Edgeworth: This was the closest one, really. But I like Miles too much to just back down on him like that.

Dick Gumshoe: Same as above; Ema might have possibly taken the prize here had she not gotten irritable. Gumshoe being my favorite character has nothing to do with this, I swear /sarcasm

tbh until Apollo lives up to Nick game-wise, this will continue to be an unfair contest.

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If we're doing Mia vs. Kristoph now, I'll add "Kristoph" to my vote.
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PW Series still ahead.

Phoenix Wright - 6
Apollo justice - 2

Maya Fey - 5
Trucy Wright - 3

Miles Edgeworth - 7
Klavier Gavin - 1
*Other - 0

Dick Gumshoe - 6
Ema Skye - 2

Mia - 3
Kristoph - 2
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Mia Vs. Kristoph?

Mia. She's less creepy unless her giant rack counts as creepy.

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Hm......

Phoenix: After seeing him through 3 games, it's hard not to like him.

Trucy: We all know Maya's power was real, but Trucy's looks real, but isn't, which makes it kind of cute. =p

Klavier: He's young, which makes him act cool and have an attitude, and he's nicer. Edgey is old, strict, and boring, except for
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The last case in T&T, where you can play as him, and Franziska acts nice to. =p


Ema: Basically, I just found Gumshoe kind of......boring. And Ema has a (lethal?) snack weapon.
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Apollo, Trucy, Edgeworth, Ema, Mia

Apollo: I don't know~ My sister pointed out how I liked him MUCH more, and it kidna unnerved her. XD There really is no specific reason why I like him more. My mind is strange. Honesly, though, it's pretty close with Phoenix.

Trucy: Less annoying. Cuter. XD

Edgeworth: ...he's Edgeworth.

Ema: She reminds me of my sister. Who's name is Emma. XD

Mia: She was much more helpful, and seemed to add something that Kristoph just doesn't have. *shrug*
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Phoenix - of course, he has the advantage of 3 games for his character to develop. After another game, I find it very possible (and likely!) to end up liking Apollo more.

Trucy - she doesn't constantly get herself in trouble, and she's just generally smarter than Maya while staying cute.

Edgeworth - he has a very rich character which has developed quite a bit throughout the three PW games, but is always "Edgeworth". While I like Klavier, all his development seems to have happened within one game and is much more shallow.

Gumshoe - Ema was cute, but she will never have the same level of lovability as Gumshoe. I'd rather have the "I can't do anything right, but I'll do it with passion anyway!" than the "BAWWWWW I HAET MY JOB" attitude.

Kristoph - he just seemed cooler in general. I love Mia's rack and she gave lots of good advice, but Kristoph's demeanor just seemed a lot more collected.
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Protagonists: Gah, this is such a hard one. I think Phoenix is a better lawyer, but I prefer Apollo as a character. There's something really sweet about the way he has his own (incredibly cheesy) catchphrase and suchlike. I think my final decision will be... Apollo.

Assistants: Definitely Trucy.

Prosecutors: Edgeworth. I like Klavier, but Edgeworth has so much emotional complexity. Not to mention his hysterically deadpan reactions to the madness he is daily surrounded with.

Detectives: Gumshoe by a mile. He's just so sweetly hopeless.

Mentors: Kristoph. There's more to him.
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I'm suprised this is being allowed in the Defendant's Lobby...

Phoenix - Apollo doesn't change at all through AJ. It still feels like he's a complete rookie after 4-4, mostly because everyone keeps building his cases for him. There's no real sense of accomplishment like when you took down von Karma and Gant, and at least by the end of AA, you know why Nick became a lawyer.

Maya - BUR = SPAGHETTI FESTIVAL
Trucy is cute and all and has a couple amusing lines, but I just didn't care much for her as much as I did Maya.

Edgeworth - Again, Edgeworth actually changes in AA. Klavier just puts all his faith in Apollo right off the bat for no real reason and usually does a lot of Herr Forehead's work.

Gumshoe - Ema's kind of a bitch most of the time in AJ. :sadshoe: Plus Gumshoe has superior theme music.

Toss-up - Kristoph is interesting. Saying much more would be spoilers. I actually didn't mind Mia too much until her unneeded cameo in 3-5. At least she doesn't build Nick's entire case for him like some AJ characters. :yuusaku:
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Phoenix, Come on he just owns.
Maya, Trucy, not sure I like them both the same (I wonder how they get on with each other, I would like to see that in the next game)
Edgeworth, Cool just cool. He better than Gavin *shoot* mainly because we help the character, unlike Gavin who just starts out being nice there no depth to him.
Gumshoe, I love Gumshoe his personality is awesome. His puppy dog look *sniff* gumshoe is more a friend than Ema *cough* *munch* *munch*
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01. Phoenix, hands down. There's something about Apollo that really irks me and I can't put my finger on what it is. I didn't realize just how much I missed Phoenix until 4-4; it was like a breathe of fresh air, seriously. D:
02. I can't decide; I love them both! I guess if I had to pick it would be Trucy... they really are quite a bit alike, though.
03. Miles Edgeworth. I'm still not sure how I feel about a prosecutor/rock star...
04. Yet another toooouuugh decision but I think I'm gonna go with Ema.
05. MIA. As much as Kristoph's character intrigues me, not much can beat Mia.
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Phoenix- Apollo's wonderful, but he's in the back seat the entire time, his character feels weak and overshadowed (ironically, by Phoenix). The main villain is Phoenix's enemy, not his.

Maya- I think Trucy is cute and likable, with a great theme and design. But as a character goes, she's woefully flat and underdeveloped, she's too 'perfect' and exists as nothing other than a simple cardboard cutout to say something cute and then continue not getting any character development. Maya, in contrast, while childish at times shows more emotion in 1-2 than Trucy does in the entire game, and her insecurity in 1-4 leads to some of her most awesome moments. Whereas the only hint of character depth with Trucy is Phoenix TELLING us she feels sad--which is sloppy writing.

Edgeworth- Like Trucy, Klavier suffers from cardboard cutout syndrome. He's cool, he's fun, no doubt about that. But he's got very little depth to his character, he doesn't change over the course of the game, and they really underdevelop him when they had the chance (twice). Plus, he's boring in court. Edgey is much more interesting in court, has actual motivations and changes over the course of the game--not only as a person, but as a prosecutor.

Gumshoe- Ema is cute when she's in SCIENCE!!! mode. Otherwise, she's dull, bitter, and annoying. Gumshoe is lovable and funny and awesome.

The cast in the first game simply blows their AJ counterparts out of the water. AJ has a better supporting case-specific cast though.
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Polly——I choose him because I know Nick will win=_= I mean, come on, Nick used to be an ACE while Polly is only a ROOIKE, and we all know Nick developed incredibly fast in PW:AA because Capcom didn't expect a following game.
Trucy——I never like Maya.
Edgeworth——Klavier is awesome,but I like Edgey so much, thus ~~I'm really sorry, Klavier.T-T
Ema——I don't like her attitude, but...she really helps.
Mia——Mia save you from trouble and Kristoph cause trouble for you...as a mentor. =P
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Phoenix Wright - 13
Apollo justice - 7

Maya Fey - 9
Trucy Wright - 10

Miles Edgeworth - 17
Klavier Gavin - 2
*Other - 1

Dick Gumshoe - 14
Ema Skye - 6

Mia - 10
Kristoph - 5


Looks like the polls are heating up! So far there are fair leads with Phoenix, Gumshoe and Mia, but Edgeworth seem's to be destroying the competition. :edgy:
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01. Phoenix, hands down. There's something about Apollo that really irks me and I can't put my finger on what it is.

Hm. Well, for me, Apollo seems to be more of a wimp than Nick. I mean really.
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My picks and my completely fucked justifications for them...

1. Phoenix: Even when he's a rookie, he seemed much more capable than Polly, who couldn't stop being a nervous scared little puppy for 5 seconds. Plus, Phoenix has taken a whole shitload of physical abuse: whipped, tased, coffee cupped, punched, smacked, and hit by a damn car. Polly, if you want to prove yourself a true defense attorney, take a little pain first...

2. Trucy: I liked Maya during the PW era, but Trucy is just plain better. Plus, she isn't a friggin' damsel in distress. Maya get arrested twice, and kidnapped once. Trucy fakes an abduction to buy time for Polly. Also, magic panties.

3. Klavier: You Edgeworth fangirls are probably going to kill me, but given the choice between having sex with Edgeworth and having sex with Klavier, I'd go with Gavin everytime.

4. Gumshoe: Main reason: Ema was a bitch in GS4. I like Gumshoe and his lovable idiot personality better.

5. Mia: One word: tits. But besides that...

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After the first case, you really can't compare the two, since they play different roles. While Mia forcefed you the answers gave you hints, Kristoph played the role of main antagonist.

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Nick - I think he was a much more talented Defense Attorney than Apollo, even when he was just starting out. Apollo's cool and all, but he can't trump Nick no matter how hard he tries.

Maya - She's much more enjoyable to work with. Plus, her personality meshes well with Phoenix's, while Trucy and Apollo were kinda bland as an investigation team. (Although I do like Trucy).

Edgeworth - I just dislike Klavier... sorry. =(

Gumshoe - I *adore* 1-5 Ema, I really do. But I don't like what she's turned in to in the AJ series. Gumshoe is just a lovable goofball, and I enjoy every moment he's on screen, while there were times when I dreaded talking to Ema.

Mia - While I don't really think you can compare Mia and Kristoph, if I had to choose... I'd choose Mia. No reason, really.

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I always feel like these kind of comparisons are more then slightly unfair. The old characters have had three games over which they have been developed and the new cast only has one (particularly since it seems pretty clear that they are planning to develop the new characters more fully over the course of the arc, unlike the previous game which was a stand alone game so they had to develop all the characters right away). With this in mind, I'm going to try to base this on what I recall are my memories from my first play through of the first PW game (although I'll concede that it's impossible to remove all bias, but I'm going to try :) ). Okay, I'll stop ranting now and move on with my rankings. :P

1) Can I put in a vote for both Phoenix and Apollo? I love them both so much. They both have this amazing determination to find the truth which I found particularly endearing. Also, I love Phoenix's sarcasm and his courage, but I also got a kick out of Apollo's naivity and enthusiasm. I can't wait to watch Apollo develop over the rest of his arc and get to know him better. I actually always felt Phoenix developed into an ace too quickly in the first game, so I don't mind them developing Apollo's skills more slowly. Feels more realistic that way. If I can't choose both, give my vote to Polly. He needs more love!

2) Okay, I have to say that Trucy kicks ass in my personal opinion and that is including Maya's development over the course of three games. Cute, perky, smart, and she manages to stay out of trouble. I really like Maya, but I have to say her childishness drove me nuts at times. No, it is not acceptable in a 17-19 year old. It's just not. Trucy, while certainly having moments of immaturity (and it drove me less nuts in Trucy because it is simply more acceptable in a fifteen year old), they were less frequent and therefore less annoying. Also, Trucy actually helped to solve the cases, rather then making silly comments that are not useful (or getting in trouble) like Maya.

3) Klavier. Yes, I said it. I really love Edgeworth, but in the first game I only really came to like him from the end of 1-3 on from there. Klavier though, I liked right from the start. He's just a great character.

4) Hard question simply because they're very different characters. I'm going to go with Ema because, while she may have been cranky, she was actually a decent detective. She just doesn't much like her job and considering how much she loves forensics, the grumpiness is understandable. And she brightened up when science was mentioned which I found adorable. Besides, seeing her throw her snacks at Apollo amused me.

5) I love Mia so much (as if you couldn't figure that out from name and avatar)! Anyway, I love both Kristoph and Mia, but Mia wins here, although...
Spoiler: all of AJ/GS4
The comparison here really doesn't work here. Kristoph isn't the mentor figure in the game. He's the final boss character. Phoenix is the true mentor in the game. ... Please don't make me choose between Phoenix and Mia. It can't be done. :larry:

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Newest tally + bump...

Phoenix Wright - 15
Apollo justice - 7

Maya Fey - 10
Trucy Wright - 12

Miles Edgeworth - 18
Klavier Gavin - 4
*Other - 1

Dick Gumshoe - 16
Ema Skye - 7

Mia - 13
Kristoph - 5


It's true, you can't REALLY compare Mia and Kristoph that well, but I was grasping for more characters ^-^'
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Phoenix ~ Sorry, but Apollo didn't quite match how amusing it was to play Phoenix. Maybe that will be changed as we see more of him.

Maya ~ It's REALLY close, but Trucy kind of...really scared me at first. XD So Maya.

Edgeworth ~ Klavier: awesome character idea, really poorly carried out.

Ema ~ I liked Gumshoe, but Ema was more amusing less "Haha they got burned again by _____ prosecutor." XD

Mia ~ ...duh. XD
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I wanna study YOUR beauty

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What abouuuuuut

someone to compare with Larry

Hobonix...?

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Larry's in a class by himself...

A class for losers who get dumped every 5 minutes and can't hold a job to their lives.
I yell "OBJECTION!" in the court sometimes!
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Dirtiest lil attorney ever!

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Edgeworth, Mia, Franziska, Gumshoe
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Amazingly.

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1. Phoenix: I mean, I like Apollo but Phoenix ish just so lovable. And i've been playing his game longer and Apollo just seems odd sometimes, but I still heart Apollo :].

2. Trucy definately: Trucy was just so cute and not a damsel-in-distress :]. (So far.) Trucy hasn't been kidnapped, charged with murder or anything. And Trucy is just kawaii :3. Pluys, she helped everyone solve the cases :].

3. Even though Klavier is kawaii, I definately have to say Miles Edgey-worth: like, Miles would do anything to get a guilty verdict and it was much more challenging, and Klavier was just looking for the truth and stuff. BUT I WILL SAY KLAVIER BECAUSE HES JUST SOOO HAWT. I'm not an Edgey-fangirl :].

4. Gumshoe/Scruffy/Whatever: He was like a lost dog, he made me want to hug him a lot. PALpalpalpalpalpalPalPALPALpal. I didn't really like Ema because she was sometimes grumpy and annoying, while Gumshoe is nice, funny, and determined to win the trial :D.

5. Kristoph :].
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