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I actually wouldn't say so o_0 Regardless of the fact that he;s a hitman, he has an honor and trust system. He has to be able to trust his clients in order to pull off what he was hired for. If he doesn't, all the blame lies squarely on their shoulders and he cannot be blamed for any of it. Hence case 2-4.
I'm not sure I agree with you there. Despite the fact that someone pays him to commit the crime, he is still a cold-blooded murderer who has taken countless lives for money. I'm not sure I'd classify him as the most evil character, but he's certainly not even slightly innocent. Being charming doesn't absolve him of his own sins and he is as responsible for his own action as well as his own decisions as any other person.
I... disagree with some of this. As you have stated, he is paid to commit these crimes; It is his livelihood. But think back to what his past must have been like. He's the son of an assain. He's the heir to a whole line of assasians. Leaving the family business could have had violent consequences, and even if it didn't, think about this: His last name is DeKiller. The name DeKiller is famous as the name of a line of assasians. What do you think would happen to him if he ever tried get any other job? He probably wouldn't be convicted of the DeKiller family murders, but it would be very likely that he'd end up spilling the beans about his father. If we can feel sorry for Dahlia, pushed into her life by unfortunate circumstance, then we can surely at least try to understand Mr. DeKiller.
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I'm not sure I agree with you there. Despite the fact that someone pays him to commit the crime, he is still a cold-blooded murderer who has taken countless lives for money. I'm not sure I'd classify him as the most evil character, but he's certainly not even slightly innocent. Being charming doesn't absolve him of his own sins and he is as responsible for his own action as well as his own decisions as any other person.
I... disagree with some of this. As you have stated, he is paid to commit these crimes; It is his livelihood. But think back to what his past must have been like. He's the son of an assain. He's the heir to a whole line of assasians. Leaving the family business could have had violent consequences, and even if it didn't, think about this: His last name is DeKiller. The name DeKiller is famous as the name of a line of assasians. What do you think would happen to him if he ever tried get any other job? He probably wouldn't be convicted of the DeKiller family murders, but it would be very likely that he'd end up spilling the beans about his father. If we can feel sorry for Dahlia, pushed into her life by unfortunate circumstance, then we can surely at least try to understand Mr. DeKiller.
I think I agree with the general sentiment expressed in the beginning of this list o' quotes. DeKiller may not be the one who killed in the most heinous methods or motives or anything, but if one was to consider his occupation alone -- one who kills for money -- he still doesn't go very far even with his demeanor. He's good at what he does, and has never been put on trial for anything, so I think that's the reason he's let to slide by so easily. If he were to explain his job in any less than the idealistic means which he did over the radio, I'm sure that DeKiller wouldn't have quite so much of his appeal.
I'm not quite sure about how much circumstance impacted DeKiller's life, if at all.
And to address something that happened close to eons ago: Mia, Franzise, thanks for the Dahlia explanation. I see your point; can't say that I agree with / necessarily comprehend the finer points, but you do make a good argument.
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Yeah, I realized most of what you guys are saying right as I went to bed. Stupid Cassie.
I suppose I agree with y'all, but I still like to hold DeKiller in higher regard than some of the people in the series. It's just that, when I get excited, I tend to overlook some things. Ah well, not much I can do about it now.
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Redd white was a bad person as well, one can surmise however that he did at least provide jobs at his company, so though he was an evil man, at least some good might have come of him
Manny however was supposed to be someone dedicated to finding the truth, when all he really cared about was stroking his Ego, and doing it by any means necessary, not to mention other things he did.
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Oos wrote:
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Shelley De Killer (because he's a hit man, obviously).
I actually wouldn't say so o_0 Regardless of the fact that he;s a hitman, he has an honor and trust system. He has to be able to trust his clients in order to pull off what he was hired for. If he doesn't, all the blame lies squarely on their shoulders and he cannot be blamed for any of it. Hence case 2-4.
Just because he's an honourable assassin doesn't make him less evil. The way I see it, he's just basically a hired thug, even though he is more 'gentlemanly' in his demeanor.
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I was really having a hard time choosing, then I made this and I think I'm going to have to go with Manfred, I mean yes, Matt was crazy, a user and generally a bad person, BUT, he had capacity for caring in his heart, as evidenced by him being concerned about his Cat
'Jection.
Who said he actually cared about his cat? Just look at Celeste- His girlfriend. And, as a boyfriend, wasn't Matt supposed to love her? But look what he did. He most likely used her to further his career- After all, what a better way to do so than to hire you manager? Even if that wasn't it, the abrupt break-up most like signifies that he didn't care at all.
Shoe is just likely as much of a facade as Celeste was. "Hey, dude! This is my cat, Shoe! He's totally cute, right? I love him to bits!" Haha, yeah right. Simply another way to toy with people.
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Matt isn't one to love anybody except himself. Probably why I hate all pairings with Matt in them.
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PAW-SHAPED HANDCUFFS. ;-;
Matt isn't one to love anybody except himself. Probably why I hate all pairings with Matt in them.Although, / is pretty interesting. You didn't read that.
Matt isn't one to love anybody except himself. Probably why I hate all pairings with Matt in them.
/ is pretty interesting.I see what you did thar...
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Panicakes wrote:
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PAW-SHAPED HANDCUFFS. ;-;
Matt isn't one to love anybody except himself. Probably why I hate all pairings with Matt in them.Although, / is pretty interesting. You didn't read that.
Matt isn't one to love anybody except himself. Probably why I hate all pairings with Matt in them.
/ is pretty interesting.I see what you did thar...
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Anywho... Yeah, but the only thing that Shoe would be useful for is the cuteness factor, and if he was going to use a pet for cuteness factor, he wouldn't stop at just one cat, he'd have ten shoes and really get his public image as an animal lover out there.
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Zeon Twilight wrote:
Panicakes wrote:
Mr.Trite wrote:
PAW-SHAPED HANDCUFFS. ;-;
Matt isn't one to love anybody except himself. Probably why I hate all pairings with Matt in them.Although, / is pretty interesting. You didn't read that.
Matt isn't one to love anybody except himself. Probably why I hate all pairings with Matt in them.
/ is pretty interesting.I see what you did thar...
"It's not gay, it's masturbation!"
Anywho... Yeah, but the only thing that Shoe would be useful for is the cuteness factor, and if he was going to use a pet for cuteness factor, he wouldn't stop at just one cat, he'd have ten shoes and really get his public image as an animal lover out there.
Yeah, but then there's nine more cats to take care of, which gives Matt less time to work on his acting.
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takes the cake. Clearly. Revenge to her is sweet, and she wants everyone else to pay for her insecurities.Spoiler: GS4
. I feel for the guy and will love him forever. I hope he returns in GS5, but considering he murdered once, wound up in Solitary, and then his time bomb murdered during his sentence for (and it attempted as well) there unfortunately isn't the chance he might come back Nastiest?
AND 
. EEW. Both of those two irk me to no end, and I'm so glad I don't have to play through those cases again. (Until I forget the story like to GS1 and GS2. *sigh* 
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Evil? takes the cake. Clearly. Revenge to her is sweet, and she wants everyone else to pay for her insecurities.
Nastiest? AND . EEW. Both of those two irk me to no end, and I'm so glad I don't have to play through those cases again. (Until I forget the story like to GS1 and GS2. *sigh* )
takes the cake. Clearly. Revenge to her is sweet, and she wants everyone else to pay for her insecurities.Spoiler: GS4
Nastiest?
AND . EEW. Both of those two irk me to no end, and I'm so glad I don't have to play through those cases again. (Until I forget the story like to GS1 and GS2. *sigh* )Hmm...compared to ones like Matt and Morgan though, both Redd and Richard seem pretty tame. (course this is probably my OMG NO ONE INSULTS WELLY EVER bias, and I may have become blind to both of their shortcomings for this, but....*shrug*)
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Zeon Twilight wrote:
I'm gonna have to stand by the assertion that Manny is the worst, If you take out the things he did himself, you still have the fact he's a man obsessed with perfection and would do anything, including forging Evidence, attacking defense attorney's to get some things, all while no doubt there was a strong chance that there were people he knew full well were innocent on the stand.
Quoted for truth.
Not to forget that he utterly ruined Edgeworth's life, twisted him to nearly beyond recognition, killed his father and tried to destroy him at the peak of his career. All because of a penalty.
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dreamwhisperer wrote:
Zeon Twilight wrote:
I'm gonna have to stand by the assertion that Manny is the worst, If you take out the things he did himself, you still have the fact he's a man obsessed with perfection and would do anything, including forging Evidence, attacking defense attorney's to get some things, all while no doubt there was a strong chance that there were people he knew full well were innocent on the stand.
Quoted for truth.
Not to forget that he utterly ruined Edgeworth's life, twisted him to nearly beyond recognition, killed his father and tried to destroy him at the peak of his career. All because of a penalty.
Exactly, and what makes everything about him Reek of Evil is the fact he's supposed to be a man following the path of Justice.
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lol xDbut in any case
is just vile and has satanic sounding objection so he takes the cake. xD needs no explanation
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Oos wrote:
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Evil? takes the cake. Clearly. Revenge to her is sweet, and she wants everyone else to pay for her insecurities.
Nastiest? AND . EEW. Both of those two irk me to no end, and I'm so glad I don't have to play through those cases again. (Until I forget the story like to GS1 and GS2. *sigh* )
takes the cake. Clearly. Revenge to her is sweet, and she wants everyone else to pay for her insecurities.Spoiler: GS4
Nastiest?
AND . EEW. Both of those two irk me to no end, and I'm so glad I don't have to play through those cases again. (Until I forget the story like to GS1 and GS2. *sigh* )Hmm...compared to ones like Matt and Morgan though, both Redd and Richard seem pretty tame. (course this is probably my OMG NO ONE INSULTS WELLY EVER bias, and I may have become blind to both of their shortcomings for this, but....*shrug*)
Well, yeah, comparred to the likes of Matt, I see nothing wrong with Richard. Like you once said, I feel as though Wellington was just like "LOL GUISE LOOK I CAN DO IT, TOO -flaunts cellphone- Matt and Morgan...Well...You just don't become like that out of the blue.
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: Well, an asian theif who killed to cover up what he did, which makes him more idiotic than murderous, as I'm pretty sure the theft scentence is longer than the murder scentence.
: Self Defence really, although she make Jack lose his rightful spot because of an "accident", although there's no proof that it really WAS an accident.
: Not evil. In fact, he should have let it shoot a little earlier. BAM! No more Manny.
: He didn't f*ck up anybody's day, and I give him credit for that. It's really hard for me to say he sucks because of that, but villan-wise, he is 4rd worst.
: Didn't kill anyone, but it sucked talking to her. She went emo just to save gant. I give her props, but why did she have to suck so much?Therefore:
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Gah! I haven't played the case in a while, so I kinda forgot about a Jake and Angel. The others I had remembered, but forgot to mention.
It still doesn't change my standing though.
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Gah! I haven't played the case in a while, so I kinda forgot about a Jake and Angel. The others I had remembered, but forgot to mention.
It still doesn't change my standing though.
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Some people may argue Matt Engarde, however I don't think so.
Because yeah, he does show some signs of compassion towards his cat <i>and</i> towards Celeste Inpax. Because remember, those two WERE involved in a romantic relationship, and the fact that he STILL has her portrait in his house kind of proves it.
But think about it, what happens if there was a role reversal? What do you think would happen if Matt Engarde was the one who was going to release Juan's secret? Don't you think Juan would of acted the same way too? Don't you think Juan would ALSO kill Matt Engarde? There's no evidence (HAH. COURT WORD. =O) saying that he wouldn't. Because from my point of view, Juan was just as heartless as Matt Engarde, I mean come on, the guy was in love and engaged with another woman, and dumped her JUST because she used to go out with his rival.
So yeah, that's why I think Damon Gant. I can't really remember the case that well now ... but he was a bit like Matt Engarde. He knew that Lana would get death-sentenced FOR him, did he care? No. He knew what he did on the day of the murder would wreck (reck? o.o wrek? wrec? oh dear...) the Skye sister's lives forever, did he show any signs of sympathy? No. He abused his power and used so many people ... and ... >< *stabstabstab*
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For me, I personally think Damon Gant definately (please note I haven't played the third game yet. TT__TT still waiting for it to arrive ><)
Some people may argue Matt Engarde, however I don't think so.
Because yeah, he does show some signs of compassion towards his cat <i>and</i> towards Celeste Inpax. Because remember, those two WERE involved in a romantic relationship, and the fact that he STILL has her portrait in his house kind of proves it.
But think about it, what happens if there was a role reversal? What do you think would happen if Matt Engarde was the one who was going to release Juan's secret? Don't you think Juan would of acted the same way too? Don't you think Juan would ALSO kill Matt Engarde? There's no evidence (HAH. COURT WORD. =O) saying that he wouldn't. Because from my point of view, Juan was just as heartless as Matt Engarde, I mean come on, the guy was in love and engaged with another woman, and dumped her JUST because she used to go out with his rival.
So yeah, that's why I think Damon Gant. I can't really remember the case that well now ... but he was a bit like Matt Engarde. He knew that Lana would get death-sentenced FOR him, did he care? No. He knew what he did on the day of the murder would wreck (reck? o.o wrek? wrec? oh dear...) the Skye sister's lives forever, did he show any signs of sympathy? No. He abused his power and used so many people ... and ... >< *stabstabstab*
Some people may argue Matt Engarde, however I don't think so.
Because yeah, he does show some signs of compassion towards his cat <i>and</i> towards Celeste Inpax. Because remember, those two WERE involved in a romantic relationship, and the fact that he STILL has her portrait in his house kind of proves it.
But think about it, what happens if there was a role reversal? What do you think would happen if Matt Engarde was the one who was going to release Juan's secret? Don't you think Juan would of acted the same way too? Don't you think Juan would ALSO kill Matt Engarde? There's no evidence (HAH. COURT WORD. =O) saying that he wouldn't. Because from my point of view, Juan was just as heartless as Matt Engarde, I mean come on, the guy was in love and engaged with another woman, and dumped her JUST because she used to go out with his rival.
So yeah, that's why I think Damon Gant. I can't really remember the case that well now ... but he was a bit like Matt Engarde. He knew that Lana would get death-sentenced FOR him, did he care? No. He knew what he did on the day of the murder would wreck (reck? o.o wrek? wrec? oh dear...) the Skye sister's lives forever, did he show any signs of sympathy? No. He abused his power and used so many people ... and ... >< *stabstabstab*
The only reason I disagree with Gant is because his heart was in the right place, he was indeed fighting for what he felt was justice, using very very wrong methods, however, Manny only had one thing on his brain when he was prosciuting, and that was his own record and ego, that's all he cared about, being that he didn't care about ANYONE other than possibly his daughter (He put a Certain other someone out to pasture if you remember) I'd say he's easilly the most heartless person in the series, he edges out
because while she had the same ideas, she kept it mostly small scale, but with a 40 year Career, Manny had plenty of time to destroy his share of lives, all in the name of his "perfect win."
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