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After reading the beta write up, I'm totally convinced Baran is Odokori's father.
Odoroki's mother really was a whore huh?
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I take it that you aren't familiar with The Game, Mikker?
ehm.... what?
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I just lost The Game.
Son of a - !
Now I've just lost The Game.
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E~A wrote:
After reading the beta write up, I'm totally convinced Baran is Odokori's father.
You know...it occured to me, too. They did say his dad was "also a performer," and Hamigaki supposed that there was some sort of love triangle between the three Arumajiki. But Yuumi's first husband supposedly disappeared. Could Baran and Yuumi have been together, but broke up, and then Baran tried to get in on the Troupe in hopes of being together again...!? Is that why he was so determined to set up Zakku for murder...!?!?
Unless Odoroki's dad is really MAXIMILLION GALACTICA~~~~
*ahem*
There are a lot of things left open at the end of the game, especially as concern the Arumajiki family, their power, the bracelets, etc etc. So it wouldn't surprise me if they're saving Odoroki's dad for a later game. Though now I kind of hope it's Baran 'cause I really like him.
(Though why Baran wouldn't have recognized him or at least the bracelet is beyond me).To Kryptic:
That confused me as well. I dunno if they were trying to reinvent your impression of Kagerou after the fact, or else it was just an example of how two-faced people can be. Kagerou seems like a nice guy, but at the same time he's fiercely competative. But it does seem distinctly off that Kagerou would be determined to ruin Phoenix's livelihood, when it's exactly that livelihood helping to support his daughter.
Maybe it's just part of the "darkness" behind the Arumajiki that Phoenix comments on...
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Croik wrote:
E~A wrote:
After reading the beta write up, I'm totally convinced Baran is Odokori's father.
Unless Odoroki's dad is really MAXIMILLION GALACTICA~~~~
Oh god.
OH GOD.
ODOROKI IS FAAAABULOUS~
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Unless Odoroki's dad is really MAXIMILLION GALACTICA~~~~
....MAH EYES!
On a serious note, here ya go.
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Croik wrote:
To Kryptic:
That confused me as well. I dunno if they were trying to reinvent your impression of Kagerou after the fact, or else it was just an example of how two-faced people can be. Kagerou seems like a nice guy, but at the same time he's fiercely competative. But it does seem distinctly off that Kagerou would be determined to ruin Phoenix's livelihood, when it's exactly that livelihood helping to support his daughter.
Maybe it's just part of the "darkness" behind the Arumajiki that Phoenix comments on...
That confused me as well. I dunno if they were trying to reinvent your impression of Kagerou after the fact, or else it was just an example of how two-faced people can be. Kagerou seems like a nice guy, but at the same time he's fiercely competative. But it does seem distinctly off that Kagerou would be determined to ruin Phoenix's livelihood, when it's exactly that livelihood helping to support his daughter.
Maybe it's just part of the "darkness" behind the Arumajiki that Phoenix comments on...
It occured to me: Is it possible that Masaka lied about being hired by/involved with Kagerou in the first place?
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Maybe Pheonix should have just told him about the Magatama XD
Though the sudden shift of personalities is still strange. Even Phoenix (as Hobohodo) seemed a lot nicer in the Mason System than he did whenever he talked to Odoroki.
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Croik wrote:
I don't think so. Kagerou admitted how much stock he put into his card matches. I think when he heard about Phoenix's impressive win streak he assumed that it was because Phoenix was using Minuki's power to help him win (which he was). But even without Minuki, Phoenix was still beating him. For someone who puts so much faith in his ability to read others, I can see that Kagerou would be pissed that Phoenix, a normal guy, was still better than him.
Maybe Pheonix should have just told him about the Magatama XD
Though the sudden shift of personalities is still strange. Even Phoenix (as Hobohodo) seemed a lot nicer in the Mason System than he did whenever he talked to Odoroki.
Maybe Pheonix should have just told him about the Magatama XD
Though the sudden shift of personalities is still strange. Even Phoenix (as Hobohodo) seemed a lot nicer in the Mason System than he did whenever he talked to Odoroki.
If that was the case though, I'm not sure what having a planted card would do to validate his assumptions. If he thought it was Minuki, why the plot with the 5 aces? He should have been confident enough that Phoenix wouldn't have been able to do it without his 'ace' (Minuki).
And as far as Phoenix shift...I think it's partly because you're playing through his eyes, and partly because he could be putting up the stuck-up act with Orodoki, so as not to coddle him?
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Hejira wrote:
CantFaketheFunk wrote:
I just lost The Game.
Son of a - !
Now I've just lost The Game.
Now we've all lost the game!
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Something else must have happened in that basement, because they never explained why Phoenix was compelled to steal Kagerou's necklace, either.
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Croik wrote:
Hmm...good point. I guess I don't really know, then. Kagerou's just an asshole XD
Something else must have happened in that basement, because they never explained why Phoenix was compelled to steal Kagerou's necklace, either.
Something else must have happened in that basement, because they never explained why Phoenix was compelled to steal Kagerou's necklace, either.
Me...I'm still convinced that Masaka was mostly lying about being in cahoots with Kagerou in the first place. Whether she was planted by Kirihito himself as a fall girl, in it for her own gain, whatever, I don't know. And perhaps Kagerou's attack on her was more for convincing him Phoenix cheated (the normal way), or for screwing up the game in general. As for the locket, I think he did steal it from Kagerou...but after he was dead. Kinda morbid and mean when you think about it, but it'd explain why he had it, without Phoenix forcefully taking it from him.
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Kryptik wrote:
As for the locket, I think he did steal it from Kagerou...but after he was dead. Kinda morbid and mean when you think about it, but it'd explain why he had it, without Phoenix forcefully taking it from him.
But why would Masaka lie about Phoenix yanking it off his neck? If she was unconscious the entire time when Kagerou was killed, and woke up only after the police came to take the body, she couldn't have even noticed the locket was missing. Why add that to her testimony?
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But why would Masaka lie about Phoenix yanking it off his neck?
If he yanked it off his neck, how could Phoenix be wearing it at trial? I too assumed Phoenix swiped it off the corpse...
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Croik wrote:
Kryptik wrote:
As for the locket, I think he did steal it from Kagerou...but after he was dead. Kinda morbid and mean when you think about it, but it'd explain why he had it, without Phoenix forcefully taking it from him.
But why would Masaka lie about Phoenix yanking it off his neck? If she was unconscious the entire time when Kagerou was killed, and woke up only after the police came to take the body, she couldn't have even noticed the locket was missing. Why add that to her testimony?
To implicate Phoenix further?
And as a conwoman, I'd figure she'd have an eye for details, so she could have noticed it as the body was being taken, or perhaps when the crime photos were shown?
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Maybe it was something like this:
Kage: Hey, you're supposed to lose!
Phoenix: You tried to swindle me!? You Arumajiki people suck. Gimme that, you're not good enough to be my kawaii-Minuki-chan's Papa!
Kage: NO U
Phoenix: *yank*
...or something like that XD
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Croik wrote:
Why wouldn't he wear it at trial? The way Masaka tells it, after the cheating took place, Phoenix stole the necklace of a living Kagerou. Since the police showed up not long after, he didn't have time to stash it, maybe. So he put it on himself. His excuse - it was his, since it already had Minuki in it. That's why no one questioned that he had it.
Maybe it was something like this:
Kage: Hey, you're supposed to lose!
Phoenix: You tried to swindle me!? You Arumajiki people suck. Gimme that, you're not good enough to be my kawaii-Minuki-chan's Papa!
Kage: NO U
Phoenix: *yank*
...or something like that XD
Maybe it was something like this:
Kage: Hey, you're supposed to lose!
Phoenix: You tried to swindle me!? You Arumajiki people suck. Gimme that, you're not good enough to be my kawaii-Minuki-chan's Papa!
Kage: NO U
Phoenix: *yank*
...or something like that XD
....
There's something that tickles me about the idea of Phoenix referring to her as 'kawaii Minuki-chan'.
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No, I meant...how could he wear it at trial? If he yanked it off the neck, wouldn't it be broken? ^^;;
...Maybe
But it still doesn't make sense that Masaka would just make that part up, especially since she did so before confessing to her involvement. How would she know the necklace was even gone, let alone who to blame for it?
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Well Croik, now that you've finished, where would you place GS4 on of your list of best to worst in the series?
THAT'S HARD.
I'm going to do a full write up of my impressions later (what I liked, didn't like, etc), but for now... I think it goes like this (for me):
GS2 > GS1 = GS4 > GS3.
I definately still think 2-4 is my favorite case, and that's why I put GS2 first, even if I'm not crazy about 2-1 or 2-2.
I can't decide if I like GS4 better than 1 because...it's hard to put it in perspective. I love 1-4 to little pieces. But I don't really feel attached to 1-1, 1-2, or 1-3. As a beginning of a game, 1-1 doesn't compare at all to 4-1. 4-1 had me on the edge of my seat the whole time. (it's a palindrome of love!)
And while I really liked the complexity of 4-4, and I loved Kirihito especially (up until...a certain point), it doesn't carry the same feeling of accomplishment that 1-4 did. There were too many open holes left. There were a lot of things that kept it from being really amazing, whereas when I finished 1-4 I was completely satisfied. So I can't decide between those two games as a whole.
But I do like it better than GS3. As much as I loved Yuusaku's case, I didn't like the overall feeling of that game.
How's that
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Croik wrote:
THAT'S HARD.
I'm going to do a full write up of my impressions later (what I liked, didn't like, etc), but for now... I think it goes like this (for me):
GS2 > GS1 = GS4 > GS3.
I definately still think 2-4 is my favorite case, and that's why I put GS2 first, even if I'm not crazy about 2-1 or 2-2.
I can't decide if I like GS4 better than 1 because...it's hard to put it in perspective. I love 1-4 to little pieces. But I don't really feel attached to 1-1, 1-2, or 1-3. As a beginning of a game, 1-1 doesn't compare at all to 4-1. 4-1 had me on the edge of my seat the whole time. (it's a palindrome of love!)
And while I really liked the complexity of 4-4, and I loved Kirihito especially (up until...a certain point), it doesn't carry the same feeling of accomplishment that 1-4 did. There were too many open holes left. There were a lot of things that kept it from being really amazing, whereas when I finished 1-4 I was completely satisfied. So I can't decide between those two games as a whole.
But I do like it better than GS3. As much as I loved Yuusaku's case, I didn't like the overall feeling of that game.
How's that
I'm going to do a full write up of my impressions later (what I liked, didn't like, etc), but for now... I think it goes like this (for me):
GS2 > GS1 = GS4 > GS3.
I definately still think 2-4 is my favorite case, and that's why I put GS2 first, even if I'm not crazy about 2-1 or 2-2.
I can't decide if I like GS4 better than 1 because...it's hard to put it in perspective. I love 1-4 to little pieces. But I don't really feel attached to 1-1, 1-2, or 1-3. As a beginning of a game, 1-1 doesn't compare at all to 4-1. 4-1 had me on the edge of my seat the whole time. (it's a palindrome of love!)
And while I really liked the complexity of 4-4, and I loved Kirihito especially (up until...a certain point), it doesn't carry the same feeling of accomplishment that 1-4 did. There were too many open holes left. There were a lot of things that kept it from being really amazing, whereas when I finished 1-4 I was completely satisfied. So I can't decide between those two games as a whole.
But I do like it better than GS3. As much as I loved Yuusaku's case, I didn't like the overall feeling of that game.
How's that
Very nice analysis. ((You can't spell analysis without anal.)) Unfortunantly I can't agree with you as I've yet to play the other four case of GS3 or the entirety of GS4. Once the script's done of course, I could have some form of comparison as reading the case description pales in comparison to actually experiencing it.
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And as much as I like GS1, there are a lot of parts I could take or leave from it. It was the first of its kind, and it deserves a lot of praise. But it's hard to look back at it and be impressed, because by now it's easy to see all its flaws. Case 1-4 is the only one from the first game I ever replay just for fun.
And I've talked plenty about why I don't like GS3, so unless you really want to know, I'm not gonna go into that.
But for me, GS4 was fresh, and colorful, and creative, and memorable. There is a LOT wrong with it, sure. There are a million ways it could be improved, and there were a few choices I flat out think were mistakes. But in anticipating GS4 I was looking for something new and interesting, and that's what I got. As a whole, I'm very satisfied with it.
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This Mason System confuses me... The fourth game really seems to break away from the rest of the series. I'll guess I'll just have to wait to see if I like it.
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When I played GS4, at least during cases 3 and 4, I was quite bothered. The cases are illogical, poorly thought out and, for 4, outright stupid in many places. I was trying hard to like the game and ignore its weaknesses, something I didn't do with the first. Still, having finished it I'm glad it's over and I can play Sekaiju no Meikyuu, which I enjoy a LOT more. If they make a sequel, I'll play it once I have nothing better to do, but I'm in no hurry.
To me, there's absolutely no comparing 1 and 4. 1 made me love the series, 4 makes me lose interest again.
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GS3's spirit channeling and major villain plots were executed worse, IMO.
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Croik wrote:
Unless Odoroki's dad is really MAXIMILLION GALACTICA~~~~
Wait... Passionate HEART Burning Red...
Interesting...
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The case itself is full of plot holes, open ends, unlikely motives and whatnot. Cases 1-4 and 2-4, even 3-5 are infinitely better thought out in comparison.
I fully respect anyone's opinion no matter how much it differs from mine, but I'm also sorry for everyone who disenjoyed GS1-3 to the point they think GS4-4 is better than any part of them.
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Weird. When I played GS1, I loved it and didn't think anything was wrong with it. When I finished it, I wanted the next right away and couldn't wait.
Well sure, that's how I felt when I first played GS1, too. But now that time has passed, when I look back on it now there's a lot of things I don't care for. With age comes perception, after all. Chances are I won't feel the same way about 4 once 5 is out--maybe I'll like it more, maybe less. But playing it through for the first time there were a lot of thrills, a lot of interesting revelations, and over all a lot of fun.
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Concerning plot and characters, GS3 dissapointed me. I may change my opinion when I play PW3, as I will be better able to understand some dialogues and insider jokes, but the way most cases develop, especially 3-5, I do not like it.
It must be because I consider Chinami sucky as villains come.
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Those who think PW2 is the best and hated PW3 seem to like GS4 alot. Personally I don't think PW1 or PW2 was better, they were both awesome.
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And bass has raised an interesting point.
We should search if its an actual pattern.
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