Re: Do you think that GS5 will be more similar to 3, or 1 and 2?
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Yeah, more background info on Apollo.. and possibly keep Phoenix in the background more, he outshone Apollo in the game.. that's how I felt, anyway.
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From what I've seen, GS4 was more about Phoenix than it was about Apollo - he didn't seem to have nearly as much connections and backstory as Phoenix had starting off.
I'd think they'd be better off having the cases independent, like in the previous games. 4's cases seemed to all have some element that tied to Apollo/Trucy/Phoenix's backstory. I would like something a bit more varied, to show that there's other things happening in the world.
And this probably sounds crazy, but I kind of want to see Phoenix become a Prosecutor instead of a Defense Attorney (assuming he comes back), if only so that the last case of the game can be Phoenix prosecuting against Apollo. It would put an interesting twist on the mentor/student relationship, and would actually make sense given Phoenix's personality (he's more about redefining the law than protecting people at this point, it seems).
This could be especially interesting if Trucy is kidnapped, and the kidnapper threatens to kill her if Apollo doesn't absolve his client (who may be clearly guilty). This would put Phoenix and Apollo in a bind, much more than the situation in 2-4. The only problem with this is that it's too similar to 2-4 - it probably needs to be done considerably differently to be interesting. The only thing I can think of is the the prospect that the defendent, if acquitted, will result in an innocent person taking the fall another crime in another trial (I wanna say Franziska's sister in this case, just to bring Fran into this. I are obsessed, deal.
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Bossmuff wrote:
The only thing I can think of is the the prospect that the defendent, if acquitted, will result in an innocent person taking the fall another crime in another trial.
Isn't that what happens if you get Engarde a 'Not Guilty' verdict in 2-4?
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I really didn't think the overarching villain worked in AJ. I just don't know why...
Spoiler: 4-1, 4-4
Kristoph offers the best explanation, strangely.
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Bossmuff wrote:
The only thing I can think of is the the prospect that the defendent, if acquitted, will result in an innocent person taking the fall another crime in another trial.
Isn't that what happens if you get Engarde a 'Not Guilty' verdict in 2-4?
I think. Adrian Andrews, I believe, is the one implicated as the 'client'. With the way the courts work in PW, you pretty much have to solve the crime and implicate someone to absolve another, and she was the one with the most motive and evidence against her.
I'm thinking more along the lines of a second, seperate trial that hinges on the result of the first (the conviction working as a partial absolution for the other defendent). It's pretty much the same thing, only with a bit of different circumstance. Maybe if several seperate trials would indirectly be affected by the verdict.
Another idea would be if it's a given that the defendent, if found Not Guilty, WILL commit a second or even more subsequent crimes, and that they will be unable to stop him in time. For example, if he's absolved and then sets up the assassination of other people, releases documents disgracing or criminalizing innocents, etc. Also, if said defendent will disappear off the radar after the trial, and the prospect of catching him even if he acts again will be nigh-impossible.
These have all been done to some degree, although the idea that someone will commit another crime after being found innocent hasn't been done in the games as far as I can tell (does anyone know of an instance of that?). I think they should probably do that, as it's an entertaining courtroom situation.
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As for someone speaking about it doesnt tell you why Khristoph went throught all the trouble to forgre eveidence he did it becasue whoever defended Zak and won would be famous even thought he was going to disappear anyway lol
Also it would be interesting to have phoneix in the game but have more apollo and not have phoneix overshadow him.
Or the main focus on having apollo and no phoneix and a big bad evil villian to end all villians that makes
look like a wimp compared to this person. The big evil dude is
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Bossmuff wrote:
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Bossmuff wrote:
The only thing I can think of is the the prospect that the defendent, if acquitted, will result in an innocent person taking the fall another crime in another trial.
Isn't that what happens if you get Engarde a 'Not Guilty' verdict in 2-4?
I think. Adrian Andrews, I believe, is the one implicated as the 'client'. With the way the courts work in PW, you pretty much have to solve the crime and implicate someone to absolve another, and she was the one with the most motive and evidence against her.
I'm thinking more along the lines of a second, seperate trial that hinges on the result of the first (the conviction working as a partial absolution for the other defendent). It's pretty much the same thing, only with a bit of different circumstance. Maybe if several seperate trials would indirectly be affected by the verdict.
Another idea would be if it's a given that the defendent, if found Not Guilty, WILL commit a second or even more subsequent crimes, and that they will be unable to stop him in time. For example, if he's absolved and then sets up the assassination of other people, releases documents disgracing or criminalizing innocents, etc. Also, if said defendent will disappear off the radar after the trial, and the prospect of catching him even if he acts again will be nigh-impossible.
These have all been done to some degree, although the idea that someone will commit another crime after being found innocent hasn't been done in the games as far as I can tell (does anyone know of an instance of that?). I think they should probably do that, as it's an entertaining courtroom situation.
hbdragon88 wrote:
I really didn't think the overarching villain worked in AJ. I just don't know why...
On the other hand, T&T was just great, probably because they had 3-4, which fully developed the back story and enhanced the epic feeling in 3-1.
Personally, I'd like AA again, without the constant villain
Spoiler: 4-1, 4-4
On the other hand, T&T was just great, probably because they had 3-4, which fully developed the back story and enhanced the epic feeling in 3-1.
Spoiler: 3-5
Personally, I'd like AA again, without the constant villain
Spoiler: About AJ, and 1-4 spoilers too
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Bossmuff wrote:
These have all been done to some degree, although the idea that someone will commit another crime after being found innocent hasn't been done in the games as far as I can tell (does anyone know of an instance of that?). I think they should probably do that, as it's an entertaining courtroom situation.
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indicted for Valerie Hawthorne's murder (due to Fawles's suicide in 3-4), possibly?(Although she wasn't really found innocent per se...)
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Like if in case 1 you defend someone, and it goes normal, except the one that gets guilty seems to be a little different than normal, and at the end of it Apollo makes a comment about while the case seems to have turned out all right, it left a bad taste in his mouth for some reason, then the entire thing is dropped until the last case,
Spoiler: 2-4
Apollo then realizes that he was wrong about the 1st case, and he sent an innocent person to prison/death, he wants to prove that the murderer did it, but in order for the murderer to have committed this crime, he would need to have been the murderer in case 1 (maybe something to do with the motive?). Now thats all fine and good, but then Apollo hears about Double Jeopardy. Because of this, the court won't allow Apollo to prove the real killer guilty, so on the last trial day he has to prove that the real killer committed the 1st case with no room whatsoever for doubt without the court realizing what he's doing (because they would just ignore his arguments then).
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All right. I am hopelessly devoted to GS3, myself, just because it felt so...epic. However, I must admit 2-4 (and 1-4 and 1-5) were also hugely epic.
So it comes down to this, in my opinion. Should we have a game where all episodes build up to an epic climax- so without the other cases, the finale wouldn't be as wonderful- or have a game where the last episode is plenty epic by itself- so without other cases, it'd be fine?
I also want to hear more about Apollo's past, in truth. Maybe he was raised...by a prosecutor. (Too Gregory/Edgey, but without the pretense of DL-6 might be fine). I mean, I really want to find out why he wants to be a lawyer...and "I wanted to" just doesn't cut it.
However, I have a feeling that if GS1-3 are any judge, whether all cases are episodic or have an overarching villain, we'll get to know more about Apollo. He's just too underdeveloped to last two more games without history.
(Incidentally, I also think once Polly is more developed, as the equal of Phoenix, it won't matter that he's gone. Face it, Capcom prolly wants to finish that story arc.)
So, with those two main topics resolved (in my opinion), all that is left is- episodic or with an overarching villain?
I personally think GS5 should be like GS3. This is because, although there was an overarching character in both GS3 and GS4, they had filler cases in between the introduction and the climax that didn't really make you too tired of the whole Dahlia/Kristoph thing.
But. Because Capcom cares not about what I say, I have a feeling that the next game will be episodic, if only because I think (in a somewhat biased manner) that to properly conclude an arc, something like Trials and Tribulations is necessary, and they wouldn't have overarching villain theme on all three games (if there are, which there had better be) concerning Apollo, unless the filler-game types were just until everyone at Capcom found out how to do the overarching theme.
So, just as long as the game has a very poignant theme (for instance, meaning of defense in JFA was a nice touch, or so I thought, illustrated by the last case) I think it'd be a good move for Capcom to do an episodic game.
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I feel that AJ was different than the other 3 games by storyline. It was somewhat like T&T because I think they got better at making a good story and most likely decided that the whole game should tie in to make the finale more intense. The theme in AJ was that the law isn't absolute or perfect, and human emotion is more powerful than any set, narrow-minded rule. I just hope we learn a little more about the characters' backgrounds (I still want more about Phoenix) and have a fresh new theme.
This is exactly what I have noticed!
I too agree that later in the game series they usually form all the info from the turnabouts in a game to make a finale. Thus in the first post, I dont really agree with you saying that there being more filler cases. The only one I consider a filler case is 2-3 (it felt like a waste of my time)
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And I mean bring back a 3-day-er.
^THIS.Two dayers are disturbingly lacking in epic.
^This.
The only epic 2 day-er was 3-5
(No, I did not like 2-4 or think it was epic, good, or entertaining in any way.) I wouldn't mind it being like AA (a 1-day, a 2-day, then all 3-days) I mean really. 3/5 cases in AA were 3 days, and we haven't had any 3-day cases since. One of the reasons 4-4 made me so happy was 'cause of theSpoiler: 4-4 (duh)
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You never understand, first, why Kristoph wanted to have forged evidence to begin with. He would have easily won the case if he got Zak to present to him what the last piece was, as that would have destoryed any motive the prosecution could present about why Zak would shoot Magnifi. He had just been given all of his tricks - there's no motive at all. And then he was omg I got fired so I'll ruin Wright's career?! Please.
If you read carefully khristoph had the evidence forged so he could have a sure win in getting zak found innocent and get an ame for himself.
Also Zak didnt kill Magnifi , Magnifi shot himself
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I think AJ2 will be similar to JFA, as Apollo said "someday I'll understand what law is".
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