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Just because he is USING it doesn't explain a thing. I'm developing PWLib but I talk about and for all casemakers. So shouldn't I just talk about PWLib in that line?
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KSA_Tech wrote:
Hmmm, interesting indeed. So when I commented on my topic about that unfortunate wiki event, you didn't felt anything, da?
I can't tell if you were talking to me or not...
If you were then I have to admit I don't come around this part of the forum pretty much at all.
I have seen a few topics while looking for info about Mecha's Case Maker and that is why I came to this topic.
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Just because MB's CMs are longer on the scene doesn't mean that the other casemakers won't be good.
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I checked around for that specifically.
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Maelstrom wrote:
The thing with this thread is, it's called "new casemaker".. not "PWlib" or "Phoenix Wright Case Editor"
I wholeheartedly agree with this.
KSA, just because someone mentions MB's Casemaker does not mean that s/he is advocating ignoring the others. There is nothing wrong with only talking about Casemaker. It is perfectly fine to have no interest in the other casemaking options. It is not an implication that the other casemakers are not good, just that the poster does not want to use them. Nobody has gotten on my back for only talking about PWLib, because that is the only method I am currently interested in using.
That said, I do agree that the wiki editing was uncalled for and childish.
Anyways, back on topic, Donald, PWLib will have support for OCs (as far as I can tell...?). But you're saying right now, and yeah, given your options right now...CM2.1 is the best.
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Donald Serrot wrote:
The only reason I use Mecha's CM right now is because I can use OCs in it. I tried most of the other case making stuff and left them because there was no OC support.
I checked around for that specifically.
I checked around for that specifically.
With PWLib, you CAN use OCs. In fact, you can even upload your own evidence graphics and custom scene backgrounds, etc. There ARE other CMs that have that kind of support, not just Mecha's CMs. You can look at the PWLib thread's later posts to see what I mean.
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Custom Character Support on PWLib. OCs are Custom Characters, so....
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Shinkinrui wrote:
Hey, KanadaKid! First time you've posted on your topic in a month. How's it going? :D
Meh, been somewhat busy as of late, but things are back on schedule now. Feels somewhat dull without my dose of CR forums. ;P
MechaBowser wrote:
Serio wrote:
Another question, how will the music looping be handled (if it will be)? If the engine uses fmod or something like that I'd guess an ogg with loopstart and loopend defined in samples would work, but otherwise no idea.
Just adding here that CM3 will allow you to set a start position for the music so that when it has been played once, it returns to the start position.
I'm on the same path at the moment. :) I know OGGs have the ability to have that data in the file, but as for MP3s and friends, I'll add an option to the editor to define the looping portion of the song. That should make things slightly easier.
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This topic's about KK's casemaker.
Err, not really. :P As people have pointed out, I think this topic should be for all case makers, since users can compare/contrast them all collectively and whatnot. I'll start my own thread for my case maker once it gets released... Real Soon Now™. :P
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KSA_Tech wrote:
Lynx: Super Judge Bro just replied my point. PWLib supports OC since it was first idealized, and I posted info on it. This sounds like he didn't read it. And it would be strange: a casemaker without custom char support, wouldn't be it?
Custom Character Support on PWLib. OCs are Custom Characters, so....
Custom Character Support on PWLib. OCs are Custom Characters, so....
Yes, we know PWLib supports OC's KSA, however, it's not released yet... so how can Donald use it instead of CM2.1 if it's not out yet? People are free to use whatever option they want to use, regardless of quality, reliability and release status. Donald only posts on CM threads as, he uses CM. He often posts to help people who have problems with it, which he can do as he uses the tool and knows his way around it. I'm sure when PWLib "Hayase" finally sees the light of day, and people start using it (Donald included) then people will post on topics regarding it.
This topic has gotten really out of hand now anyway, it should be kept for information about upcoming casemakers, a place for people to preview their tools collectively and NOT be ostracized depending on their preference.
On a side note, it's great to see you active again KanadaKid, i'm still holding on hope for a release of your casemaker in the near future :]
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Anyway, I could release PWLib now. Now, now, but I would be in two problems: 1> no main tutorials yet. 2> some effects are missing and some functionalities are untested.
It seems people can wait a bit more for PWLib (as I can see, no one is really OMG!! PWLIB!!!), so I won't be in trouble for waiting a day or two more.
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Maelstrom wrote:
Yes, we know PWLib supports OC's KSA, however, it's not released yet... so how can Donald use it instead of CM2.1 if it's not out yet? People are free to use whatever option they want to use, regardless of quality, reliability and release status. Donald only posts on CM threads as, he uses CM. He often posts to help people who have problems with it, which he can do as he uses the tool and knows his way around it. I'm sure when PWLib "Hayase" finally sees the light of day, and people start using it (Donald included) then people will post on topics regarding it.
This topic has gotten really out of hand now anyway, it should be kept for information about upcoming casemakers, a place for people to preview their tools collectively and NOT be ostracized depending on their preference.
On a side note, it's great to see you active again KanadaKid, i'm still holding on hope for a release of your casemaker in the near future :]
This topic has gotten really out of hand now anyway, it should be kept for information about upcoming casemakers, a place for people to preview their tools collectively and NOT be ostracized depending on their preference.
On a side note, it's great to see you active again KanadaKid, i'm still holding on hope for a release of your casemaker in the near future :]
Excuse me? We were not ostracizing him, I merely said that there's more than one Casemaker that supports custom graphics. And KSA_Tech merely only showed a screenshot of PWLib. Did we say that we wanted Don to use PWLib? No, we did not.
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When MB came with his CM3 almost everyone started ostracizing him, and I don't remember someone yelling it was wrong so fast.
If it wasn't for Super Judge Bro it was going to be like it was back them. Geez.
MB isn't god. Won't be and never was. As I'm not and will never be, same with KK and DJ.
If they were ostracizing me, what problem could be on that? People were ostracizing MB due to his CM for ages. Even with the bugs I've heard. So, stop with such comments. I just posted a single shot for Donald to see. And what if he abandons CM2.1 in favor of PWLib/other cm? It would be HIS own choice.
You ppl want a good casemaker, da? You want a half-baked casemaker to yell at, or a top quality one that makes you happy?
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Wow, guys ... seriously, calm down. You're turning a fun hobby for everyone to enjoy into a big flame war, here. Just take a step back a breathe for a minute. Feel better? :P
I'm sure we all want what's best for every program featured here. A little competition is healthy, but seriously, you're jumping down each other's throats. Can't we all just get along and enjoy and comment about what ever case maker we like without our comments being misconstrued or someone getting all defensive?
The truth is, each of these projects are incredible gifts to the community, and we should all appreciate each one of them. Maybe in light of how hostile it has gotten, we could leave the arguing about which one is the best to PM's, please? Just a suggestion.
Anyway, thanks KanadaKid, KSA, AND Mecha for your efforts in making these great tools for fangame enthusiasts. I can't wait for this scene to explode with tons of new fangames <3
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KSA_Tech wrote:
(as I can see, no one is really OMG!! PWLIB!!!)
To the contrary! :P
(and I'd rather you release a bad one so that I can fool around with it while knowing that you're going to release a good version in the future. That way I can write out the code that already works and just augment it when the casemaker improves. But that's just me and your choices are obviously yours. Just so you know I'm rabidly looking forward to it
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That was so random. It makes me feel "Why should I work on PWLib, to hear such comments?".
It seems that as PWLib got a possible release date, evil started to reign.
Hostility seems to be MB X Other CMs Authors. I never argued with KK or DJ and/or against their CMs.
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I'm on the same path at the moment. :) I know OGGs have the ability to have that data in the file, but as for MP3s and friends, I'll add an option to the editor to define the looping portion of the song. That should make things slightly easier.
I don't think mp3's that good of a choice for that really. Each time you save one it adds a bit of silence at the beginning and the end of the file, effectively screwing up the loop point definitions since it'll be trying to start/end the loop several samples earlier.
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Hmmm, interesting indeed. So when I commented on my topic about that unfortunate wiki event, you didn't felt anything, da?
Just because he is USING it doesn't explain a thing. I'm developing PWLib but I talk about and for all casemakers. So shouldn't I just talk about PWLib in that line?
Just because he is USING it doesn't explain a thing. I'm developing PWLib but I talk about and for all casemakers. So shouldn't I just talk about PWLib in that line?
That line KSA, to me personally, seemed like a bit of an attack on Donald just because he was talking about CM2.1 and not talking about PWLib. As we've all commented on numerous times here, it's all personal preference. Some people are more interested in the developments on the horizon, the ones with more potential, others prefer to use the tools currently available to them, despite their flaws. Also, you comment on the fact that he only ever defends CM in his topics as a point that he doesn't care about the other casemakers, which I found a bit self-centered, that is all.
Either way, this whole thing is getting blown out of proportion with bad communication.. at least now everyone seems to be of the mindset that the topic needs to calm down, which I agree on. With the Hayase code for PWLib on the horizon, CM3 in production and KK's PW Case Editor to be released "Real Soon Now™" we should all just focus on the plethora of choice becoming available for budding fangame makers instead of dwelling on this small hiccup, right?
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I'm sure nobody meant to attack(except for whatever jackass made the wiki edit), so I hope everyone can forgive and forget
Bring on the PWLib, Case Editor, and Casemaker!
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We must not forget that CM2.1 ran free, with no other cms for all its life. It is the only offline available casemaker around as of today.
Now with the other CMs around, with new standards set by them, it's the time for a new generation of casemakers.
I don't know how well PWLib Hayase will be received. But the more users it has, the better feedback I can get. This works for other CMs too.
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Once more come out I plan to try them. But I'm not a programing type. I look at some of the different topics and see allot of code.
I don't understand that stuff, never will probably. That is why I don't post. There is no need for me to but in when I don't understand a singe bit of it.
Once the new offline case creating programs come out I'll probably give them a try just to see how well they work for me.
In the end it will boil down to user friendliness and OC support.
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Donald Serrot wrote:
Just to clarify, I'm searching for the easiest to use offline case creating program that lets me use my OCs.
Once more come out I plan to try them. But I'm not a programing type. I look at some of the different topics and see allot of code.
I don't understand that stuff, never will probably. That is why I don't post. There is no need for me to but in when I don't understand a singe bit of it.
Once the new offline case creating programs come out I'll probably give them a try just to see how well they work for me.
In the end it will boil down to user friendliness and OC support.
Once more come out I plan to try them. But I'm not a programing type. I look at some of the different topics and see allot of code.
I don't understand that stuff, never will probably. That is why I don't post. There is no need for me to but in when I don't understand a singe bit of it.
Once the new offline case creating programs come out I'll probably give them a try just to see how well they work for me.
In the end it will boil down to user friendliness and OC support.
In case this will help your decision, I'm making a program to convert a script like this:
Code:
<textbox on><char phoenixnormal><name phoenix><lips on>
{My name is Phoenix.}
{My name is Phoenix.}
To a PWlib script, thus making it easier to use. In case this effects your decision.
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It seems to me that we're going to have, basically, three /types/ of case makers.
Mechabowser's case maker seems to me to be basically the RPGMaker of PW. Which is awesome, but.
PWLib looks to me to sorta be a Phoenix Wright coding language. That is, harder to learn, but more flexible when you get used to it. Of course, if you don't really need that flexibility for your game..
Kanadakid, meanwhile, looks to be going somewhere around the middle.
I don't understand why you're all getting so upset about this--well, that's a lie, I do.
i think there's an unspoken false dichotomy that one of these three has to be 'the best' (the best the best the best the best /4chan)
it's like an extension of console wars, except you guys don't seem to understand you're actually basically crippling the chances of /any/ of these getting released, since people are getting demotivated by it
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Here is the Tutorial 1 result file
Code:
#include(pwlib/pwlib.hlsl)
[game]
runscript("pw_initpwlib");
runscript("pw_initpwbgs");
runscript("pw_createema");
changetitle("My First PWLib game");
jumptoscript("run");
[run]
runscript("pw_usepwbgcourthall");
runscript("showpwchar");
runscript("pw_enableemanormal");
runscript("pw_showmessagebox");
runscript("setlipsynctochar");
runscript("pw_setnameboxtoema");
runscript("pw_showadvarrowmenu");
message("Hi, my name is Ema Skye.");
message("Scientifically speaking...");
message("Hmmm, did you know I'm Lana's sister?");
[game]
runscript("pw_initpwlib");
runscript("pw_initpwbgs");
runscript("pw_createema");
changetitle("My First PWLib game");
jumptoscript("run");
[run]
runscript("pw_usepwbgcourthall");
runscript("showpwchar");
runscript("pw_enableemanormal");
runscript("pw_showmessagebox");
runscript("setlipsynctochar");
runscript("pw_setnameboxtoema");
runscript("pw_showadvarrowmenu");
message("Hi, my name is Ema Skye.");
message("Scientifically speaking...");
message("Hmmm, did you know I'm Lana's sister?");
Tuto 3 will show how to better organize this code so it will be better to read and manage. But stil it doesn't look cryptic.
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How long do you think will it take to write the tutorials then?
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How long? Well, not that long, maybe 2/3 days at most. If I hadn't a test on wednesday I could finish pwlib and make the tutos on a week at most.
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Besides, it's like getting a gaming system without the controller.
Back, check out LOZ AA.
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Klavice Gavin wrote:
...many here will not understand the AIGE enough to make a decent case with it.
*raises hand* That's-a me!
Wait...
That's not a good thing!
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Those who wanna try to work it out from the reference and sample code are free to do so, and get a head start, and those who'd rather wait for the tutorials still get their tutorials. ^_^
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However. I agree with KSA on this one. It's MUCH better to have tutorials when it first comes out. Makes for a much smoother first release. If he's killing 2 birds with one stone by doing bug testing AS he writes the tutorials, we shouldn't pressure him to release it before he's ready; it's part of his process. Besides, if he did release it without the tutorials, I'm sure this thread would explode with tons of questions about how to use it. Atleast with the tutorials, he can control that a little bit by saying "READ THE TUTORIALS BEFORE ASKING QUESTIONS," etc.
We've been waiting a long time for a great PW case maker like this one. I can wait the estimated 2-3 days for him to write the tutorials, or even 2-3 weeks if he needs them. It feels so close we can taste the awesome now, but I suggest being patient :)
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