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Croik wrote:
The ones that still have me stumped are:
Spoiler: "Case 3"
My explanation:
[spoiler]he put the device in along with the cocoon before they packed it airtight and all that.[/spoiler]
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Spoiler: "Case 4"
Oh, and one more general question, because I was too lazy to take a note of it:
Spoiler: "case 4"
Spoiler: "Re: Case 4"
The thing about Tensai is correct if Tensai got dubbed Magnifi
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Of course it still leaves "How did Machi get a dead body 3 times his size onto the stage?" Even in Daryan's case it's questionable B:
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Spoiler: Tagged for Spoilers!!!
Spoiler: 4-3
And I am seriously waiting for someone to say "If someone dragged it, there would be a blood trail!" because a few months ago, L.C. dismissed a similar argument of what was on-screen as a mere "Graphics Issue".
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Now, for MOVING it, simply drag it... If that is difficult, then use a piece of regular moving equitment, such as one of those trolly-carts around the area, push him onto THAT, then lift him and move him away. In fact, by using that, it would also make moving it much, much faster.
The most direct path to the stage requires going up a few stairs, so it couldn't really be a cart. Romaine is huge - assuming there were any cops or stage hands around, it's almost inconceivable that anyone would have been able to move that body without anyone seeing it.
But then, Gant snuck a body out of police headquarters, so you can't underestimate the power of oblivious idiots.
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Spoiler: If you have not completed GS4, do not click
Does Kristoph's motive seem a little lacking to anyone else? i mean, lets run through it, shall we? he lost a game of cards, so he decides to destroy someone's career and kill the only three people who could tell anyone about it? geez, what a psycho.
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That's not his motive...his motive was he was fired by a high-profile client over something as - to his mind - trivial as a game of cards.
Of course, it wasn't trivial, because Zak was able to get an accurate gauge on Kris and Nick's personalities from watching them while they played - the fact that Nick won and Kris lost is most likely beside the point, but not really addressed.
But Kristoph thought it was, and did what he could to get back at Zak for firing him for such a reason, and Nick for being the one who ended up getting the case.
As to the 'unbreakable bottle' - bottles aren't really that easy to break, unless you hit them JUST right. Deliberately TRYING to break one can take several tries. It's not at all unbelievable that the bottle didn't break, especially given how little visible damage was done to Shadi's head.
If they broke easily, actually, they'd make lousy bludgeoning weapons - breaking would prevent most of the energy being transfered from the weapon to the target.
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That's not his motive...his motive was he was fired by a high-profile client over something as - to his mind - trivial as a game of cards.
Of course, it wasn't trivial, because Zak was able to get an accurate gauge on Kris and Nick's personalities from watching them while they played - the fact that Nick won and Kris lost is most likely beside the point, but not really addressed.
But Kristoph thought it was, and did what he could to get back at Zak for firing him for such a reason, and Nick for being the one who ended up getting the case.
Does that really change my point? it's still a ridiculously slim motive!
As to the 'unbreakable bottle' - bottles aren't really that easy to break, unless you hit them JUST right. Deliberately TRYING to break one can take several tries. It's not at all unbelievable that the bottle didn't break, especially given how little visible damage was done to Shadi's head.
If they broke easily, actually, they'd make lousy bludgeoning weapons - breaking would prevent most of the energy being transfered from the weapon to the target.
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That's not his motive...his motive was he was fired by a high-profile client over something as - to his mind - trivial as a game of cards.
Of course, it wasn't trivial, because Zak was able to get an accurate gauge on Kris and Nick's personalities from watching them while they played - the fact that Nick won and Kris lost is most likely beside the point, but not really addressed.
But Kristoph thought it was, and did what he could to get back at Zak for firing him for such a reason, and Nick for being the one who ended up getting the case.
Does that really change my point? it's still a ridiculously slim motive!
As to the 'unbreakable bottle' - bottles aren't really that easy to break, unless you hit them JUST right. Deliberately TRYING to break one can take several tries. It's not at all unbelievable that the bottle didn't break, especially given how little visible damage was done to Shadi's head.
If they broke easily, actually, they'd make lousy bludgeoning weapons - breaking would prevent most of the energy being transfered from the weapon to the target.
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The most direct path to the stage requires going up a few stairs, so it couldn't really be a cart. Romaine is huge - assuming there were any cops or stage hands around, it's almost inconceivable that anyone would have been able to move that body without anyone seeing it.
One of the most popular things to see at a concert arena, are ramps. They are usually used for transporting REALLY heavy equipment, such as large speakers, Trap Sets (Err... Drum Sets?), etc. Mind you, seeing someone move this would be a bit obvious, but I GUESS he could have stuck it in an equipment case, like the one backstage, in the room we first see Ema in, right?
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But then, Gant snuck a body out of police headquarters, so you can't underestimate the power of oblivious idiots.
*carrying body on his shoulder* Hello there, boys! How have you been? Swimming much these days?Officer: ... Umm... Sir?
Hmm? What is it?Officer: Is... is that a dead body you're carrying?
... Of course not! He just got a bit tired while lapping around the pool! Cramped up during his laps, I'm afraid! Ho ho ho!Officer: But... he's bleeding...
Oh? That's just from the pasta stain from his pre-swimming dinner!*Marshall walks by with blood on his coat from his fight with Meekins*
Speak for yerself, pard'ner.
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Lind_L_Tailor wrote:
Does that really change my point? it's still a ridiculously slim motive!
Slim? It's one of the most common motives for revenge killings in the world.
'I've been robbed of something that's rightfully mine.' With the added kicker of 'and there was no good reason for it.'
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Does that really change my point? it's still a ridiculously slim motive!
Slim? It's one of the most common motives for revenge killings in the world.
Not in the AA world, considering none of the other cases have that as their motive...
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Does that really change my point? it's still a ridiculously slim motive!
Slim? It's one of the most common motives for revenge killings in the world.
Not in the AA world, considering none of the other cases have that as their motive...
I think it depends on how you look at it. Karma's motive in DL-6 was similarly weak: Gregory stole his perfect record, so he killed him. Yeah he'd also gotten shot, and that screwed with his head, but it was still a weak motive for murder. Morgan's motive in 2-2 was to kill Maya for taking what she thought should have been Pearl's. 1-3 also resulted from an act of revenge.
It don't take much when you're crazy!
Though now that you mention it, most of the AA murders do seem to center more on self-preservation than revenge...
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I think it depends on how you look at it. Karma's motive in DL-6 was similarly weak: Gregory stole his perfect record, so he killed him. Yeah he'd also gotten shot, and that screwed with his head, but it was still a weak motive for murder.
Hmm...now that you bring it up, Manfred's motivation seems rather weaker than Kristoph's, if looked at in detail.
Manny's perfect record was broken, but he was still the best prosecutor in the jurisdiction.
Kris had his opportunity to increase his status taken away.
Gregory was doing his job, and Manny really had no way of claiming otherwise.
Zak, as far as Kris knew, was making his decision based on a completely arbitrary factor.
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Kamino Neko wrote:
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I think it depends on how you look at it. Karma's motive in DL-6 was similarly weak: Gregory stole his perfect record, so he killed him. Yeah he'd also gotten shot, and that screwed with his head, but it was still a weak motive for murder.
Hmm...now that you bring it up, Manfred's motivation seems rather weaker than Kristoph's, if looked at in detail.
Manny's perfect record was broken, but he was still the best prosecutor in the jurisdiction.
Kris had his opportunity to increase his status taken away.
Gregory was doing his job, and Manny really had no way of claiming otherwise.
Zak, as far as Kris knew, was making his decision based on a completely arbitrary factor.
Yes, Manny's motive is weaker...until you realize that is' Manfred von Karma. He was perfect in every single part of his entire life, so he's going to take a blemish pretty tough....
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quote="Lind_L_Tailor"Does that really change my point? it's still a ridiculously slim motive!
Slim? It's one of the most common motives for revenge killings in the world. /QUOTE
Not in the AA world, considering none of the other cases have that as their motive...
I think it depends on how you look at it. Karma's motive in DL-6 was similarly weak: Gregory stole his perfect record, so he killed him. Yeah he'd also gotten shot, and that screwed with his head, but it was still a weak motive for murder. Morgan's motive in 2-2 was to kill Maya for taking what she thought should have been Pearl's. 1-3 also resulted from an act of revenge.
It don't take much when you're crazy!
Though now that you mention it, most of the AA murders do seem to center more on self-preservation than revenge...
The definition of revenge I was using was
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'I've been robbed of something that's rightfully mine.'
not revenge in general. There are several cases where the motive was revenge in general, but I forgot about Morgan and that was her reason for revenge (Albeit slightly altered... "The title of the Master is rightfully mine and Pearl is my daughter, therefore the title of Master is also rightfully hers.")
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Yes, Manny's motive is weaker...until you realize that is' Manfred von Karma. He was perfect in every single part of his entire life, so he's going to take a blemish pretty tough....
That just makes Manfred crazier than Kristoph, it doesn't make his motive stronger.
He still killed a man, then corrupted and framed his son, over a single penalty that didn't effect anything but his pride - not even his reputation, as he's still the most feared man in the prosecutor's office 15 years later - inflicted by someone doing his job.
Kristoph framed a man for falsified evidence, and got his client convicted, over having an opportunity to build his reputation - and his payment for the case - taken away for a completely ludicrous (from his POV) reason.
They're both petty reasons, but most murders are, and Kristoph was actually harmed in a way someone who was sane would agree with (though they wouldn't believe it was nearly as bad as Kris did) by Zak's dropping him as his lawyer.
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Not to mention Kristoph spent $100,000 on that forgery! How could he let it go to waste? XD
Well, being the "Best defense attorney in town" would probably hint towards him having PLENTY of money from all the cases he's won... and I doubt he would let a client go without payment being made, after all...
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She only has to use it when she goes outside. The only times that we know of that she went outside were to see a Gramarye show (although I think it was before she got the nail polish... I'm not 100% sure tho) and 4-4.
No, she uses it whenever she wants to. Polishing her nails isn't her nervous habit, after all...
Oh, and one more thing: How on EARTH did the poison last that long!? I mean, as time goes on, it would have less and less potency...
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Oh, and one more thing: How on EARTH did the poison last that long!? I mean, as time goes on, it would have less and less potency...[/quote]
Well, we don't know the properties of Atroquinine (It's a fictional poison, after all). it may be possible.
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Of course, she could have been out for a short time, though that bottle did kill a large man. Though size and crap don't matter in the AA world, do they, Mr. LeTouse?[/spoiler]
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No, she uses it whenever she wants to. Polishing her nails isn't her nervous habit, after all...
Oh, and one more thing: How on EARTH did the poison last that long!? I mean, as time goes on, it would have less and less potency...
Oh, and one more thing: How on EARTH did the poison last that long!? I mean, as time goes on, it would have less and less potency...
Well, we don't know the properties of Atroquinine (It's a fictional poison, after all). it may be possible.
In order to determine this best, I guess the only thing we could do, is ask a poison expert what the longest lasting poison "Potency" duration is... There's a good chance that, if it's over 7 years, we could apply it to Atroquinine... but if it's something like 1-2 years, there's no way they could make one as powerful as Atroquinine, and have it STILL be just as powerful, 7 years later.
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I personally want to know, how come she dies if you pick the 'Guilty' option, yet she survives if you pick 'Not Guilty'.
POISON DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY, CAPCOM!!!
POISON DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY, CAPCOM!!!
Phoenix gives a theory right at the end of the game... Mind you, his theory kinda sounds more like something I would learn from "Care Bears" than a PW game, but meh!
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I personally want to know, how come she dies if you pick the 'Guilty' option, yet she survives if you pick 'Not Guilty'.
POISON DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY, CAPCOM!!!
POISON DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY, CAPCOM!!!
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No, she uses it whenever she wants to. Polishing her nails isn't her nervous habit, after all...
Kristoph specifically told her that the polish he gave her was magic that would protect her if she were to leave her home. It's perfectly logical to believe that Vera, determined not to waste it, wouldn't use it unless she absolutely had to - such as, going out to see the Gramaryes. But the Gramarye's broke up after the trial (which Kristoph might not have forseen, as he was intending to get Zak acquitted) so Vera had no reason to go outside, and thus did not use the polish. Even if she used it once or twice, that wouldn't have used it up.
As to why the polish didn't dry up or the poison become less potent, we can only assume that it has something to do with the chemical properties of Atroquinine, which no one here can know.
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NinjaMonkey wrote:
I personally want to know, how come she dies if you pick the 'Guilty' option, yet she survives if you pick 'Not Guilty'.
POISON DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY, CAPCOM!!!
POISON DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY, CAPCOM!!!
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No, she uses it whenever she wants to. Polishing her nails isn't her nervous habit, after all...
Kristoph specifically told her that the polish he gave her was magic that would protect her if she were to leave her home. It's perfectly logical to believe that Vera, determined not to waste it, wouldn't use it unless she absolutely had to - such as, going out to see the Gramaryes. But the Gramarye's broke up after the trial (which Kristoph might not have forseen, as he was intending to get Zak acquitted) so Vera had no reason to go outside, and thus did not use the polish. Even if she used it once or twice, that wouldn't have used it up.
As to why the polish didn't dry up or the poison become less potent, we can only assume that it has something to do with the chemical properties of Atroquinine, which no one here can know.
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..SUPER SAIYAN AHAHAHA...
and LeTouse WAS tall -- so tall, I guess, that it was hard for Daryan to shoot him and not miss. (sarcasm)
I don't remember if Apollo asked WHY Daryan would've missed, but I'm guessing he did because he was either anxious, or extremely angry at the time (he'd just realized that LeTouse had been sent to investigate cocoon smuggling.)
BUT. Someone please tell me this:
Why the FUCK did Daryan feel like he needed MOARMONEYSLOLOL?
He was already in a damn good band as second guitarist, and he was a detective - doesn't that mean he had a pretty good income?
I know Machi needed the money, but DARYAN?
And what about when he dragged Romein's body out and strapped his guitar to it?
Wtffff.
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BUT. Someone please tell me this:
1. Why the FUCK did Daryan feel like he needed MOARMONEYSLOLOL?
He was already in a damn good band as second guitarist, and he was a detective - doesn't that mean he had a pretty good income?
I know Machi needed the money, but DARYAN?
2. And what about when he dragged Romein's body out and strapped his guitar to it?
Wtffff.
1. Why the FUCK did Daryan feel like he needed MOARMONEYSLOLOL?
He was already in a damn good band as second guitarist, and he was a detective - doesn't that mean he had a pretty good income?
I know Machi needed the money, but DARYAN?
2. And what about when he dragged Romein's body out and strapped his guitar to it?
Wtffff.
1) If we assume he did this for the MONEY (We got to have... mon-neey!), then we are given an easy reason: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS TOO MUCH MONEY!!! If I wanted a house made of Chow Yun Fat Action Figures, then I'm sorry, but multiple grand a year at two jobs won't pay for it, ese!...
... Not saying that's the best use of your money but it's a pretty good example of what one COULD do.
Now, lets assume that he DIDN'T do it for money... In that case, he did it for the power. He would be able to hold this over the head of the Chief Justice, and get anything he wanted out of it because of it. This makes Daryan's reason for smuggling VERY, VERY good: He wanted power. Lots of it.
2) He didn't strap the guitar to the body. He simply put the guitar on the body. I'll be honest, ANYONE could probably do that as long as you could lift up to the weight which is equal to that of the guitar, and be able to place a guitar-shaped object on top of anything on the ground...
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Cocky, aren't you? (Sorry, couldn't resist)
Anyways, I FINALLY have one that I want to leave open to discussion! I found it during my seve... ei...
... TENTH Playthrough of Apollo Justice, I think (Shut it, I'm an addict, there's a REASON I have the most posts on the CR forums!
)... So here it is!Case: 4-4.
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Description: As we learn from the MASON system, Kristoph Gavin gave Vera Misham, when she was younger, a bottle of nail polish. Not just any nail polish; but Ariadoney Nail Polish! According to many characters, one particular trait is how it is completely colourless.
Also, Atroquinine is odorless, and COLOURLESS, which is one of the main reasons it's so deadly: It's nearly impossible to detect before symptoms are seen, and by then it's too late.
Now that we have this knowledge, consider this: if you examine the bottle Vera has, during the MASON system: Past Revisiting, you will not only SEE it, but Phoenix will acknowledge that there is, in fact, a light pink fluid in it! How is this possible? (There are two answers to this. One is simple, one is a bit more complex, but the complex one, if pulled off, will solve ANOTHER contradiction we discussed earlier)
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Re: GS4 Contradictions (Spoilers, almost every case)
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Re: GS4 Contradictions (Spoilers, almost every case)
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Marshmello wrote:
... Maybe Kristoph thought Vera looked good in pink?
Doesn't explain why it's colourless when she ends up using it later on, when she's older... according to the small box, anyways... Also, her sprites' nails aren't pink at all.
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