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My point was they shouldn't have dragged Phoenix in at all, especially if they didn't want to commit and use any of his supporting cast.
THAT you are right about.
Though I heard from Icer in another annoyingly long debate (thank god he's not here) that Capcom forced the writers to include Phoenix as purely fanservice so I've always regarded this as a nessecary evil we have to live with.
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Think of the fucking role reversal going on there.
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I think Phoenix should be a chick in the next game.
Think of the fucking role reversal going on there.
Think of the fucking role reversal going on there.
Fuck that the world has had enough bad examples of cross-dressing/transsexuality gone bad.
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Herr Blondie wrote:
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Phoenix becomes Attorney again. Apollo isn't main character anymore.
Stupid concept to me.
Also I liked Thalassa why does she have to die
Because the grim reaper needs to make up for messing up.
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I think it'll probably be a buddy of Kristophs who's a new prosecutor next time.
Nah, I think we've had enough connections to Kristoph so far.
(i.e. one, yes. But... hmm...)
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Well again Robbie (though your diehard defence is valiant) I have to disagree.
While some of these metaphors of yours confuse me (I don't know Star Wars in depth) I know Scooby doo enough to say Apollo doesn't have enough elements of scrappy doo to qualify as a comparison.
For one thing he's certainly not as optimistic and happy as Scrappy, he's probably even more sceptical than Phoenix was. Personally I blame the influence of Kristoph. But nonetheless the character disappearence isn't such a big deal I mean it's an entirely new game they need a new cast really.
While some of these metaphors of yours confuse me (I don't know Star Wars in depth) I know Scooby doo enough to say Apollo doesn't have enough elements of scrappy doo to qualify as a comparison.
For one thing he's certainly not as optimistic and happy as Scrappy, he's probably even more sceptical than Phoenix was. Personally I blame the influence of Kristoph. But nonetheless the character disappearence isn't such a big deal I mean it's an entirely new game they need a new cast really.
This.
But
is the AJAA equivilent of 
. Big villains need to be a big deal and he's not dead. At least as far as I know. The game itself didn't mention a death sentance for him atleast.Nick needs to play the role that will cause the least uproar, that's about it.
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But is the AJAA equivilent of . Big villains need to be a big deal and he's not dead. At least as far as I know. The game itself didn't mention a death sentance for him atleast.
is the AJAA equivilent of . Big villains need to be a big deal and he's not dead. At least as far as I know. The game itself didn't mention a death sentance for him atleast.But in the AA-verse the penalty for murder is the death penalty...
Off topic but I mainly see Kristophe coming back for one reason: those black lockes. I used to think it was because it was just because it showed there was no way in hell he would ever confess or that it was linked to other explanations such as just making sure the gamers can't do anything about it but the curious thing is the bit where Phoenix says that the locks have great despair or something...
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Herr Blondie wrote:
Though I heard from Icer in another annoyingly long debate (thank god he's not here) that Capcom forced the writers to include Phoenix as purely fanservice so I've always regarded this as a nessecary evil we have to live with.
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No, Phoenix was demanded to be included as a marketing ploy. Capcom thought that fans of the original series would need a hook to transfer/buy to the new series. That hook was Phoenix. I don't think Capcom envisaged that kind of execution of 'return Phoenix's character' though. It, indeed, did result in short term sales however.
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icer wrote:
Herr Blondie wrote:
Though I heard from Icer in another annoyingly long debate (thank god he's not here) that Capcom forced the writers to include Phoenix as purely fanservice so I've always regarded this as a nessecary evil we have to live with.
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No, Phoenix was demanded to be included as a marketing ploy. Capcom thought that fans of the original series would need a hook to transfer/buy to the new series. That hook was Phoenix. I don't think Capcom envisaged that kind of execution of 'return Phoenix's character' though. It, indeed, did result in short term sales however.
Sorry Icer, it's not like me to forget a pretty girl. But in my defence. I usually don't look in the side categories beyond checking out cool avatars.Still I think the character butchering was probably as a result of his hurried entry or maybe some sort of writers spite at Phoenix for being forced into their bright shiny new game.
Also @Robin:
It's not always nessecarily the death sentence, Kristoph managed to avoid the death sentance after his murder of Shadi though maybe that was due to the unusual circumstances of his murder.
Also @Luminous: I don't think he'll escape the death penalty now though I mean he was in jail when he was convicted of another murder. I'd say his future ain't so bright now.
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Also @Robin:
It's not always nessecarily the death sentence, Kristoph managed to avoid the death sentance after his murder of Shadi though maybe that was due to the unusual circumstances of his murder.
It's not always nessecarily the death sentence, Kristoph managed to avoid the death sentance after his murder of Shadi though maybe that was due to the unusual circumstances of his murder.
I'm not sure it said he avoided the death penalty. He was definitely in jail but it said nothing (or least that I remember) about him avoiding the death penalty. Considering how long it took Dahlia to get executed why he's still alive by 4-4 isn't much of a surprise for me.
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WE only now that you get the death penalty for serial murder. Darke and Dahlia both killed multiple people.
This. Why can't people understand this simple fact?
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@RobbieValiant: Do you want this game to be realistic? People change.
I believe that the first half of the first case of AJ was meant to make you hate him. You think he is changed too much. But then he appears in your co council.
I saw the blue in his eyes there, The smirk on his face, and knew he was still the same inside, no matter how his appearance changed.
I think he had more character in AJ than in any of the previous games. Yet it was just expanding on what was already there. Sure, he changed. But after all he went through, what do you expect?
I believe that the first half of the first case of AJ was meant to make you hate him. You think he is changed too much. But then he appears in your co council.
I saw the blue in his eyes there, The smirk on his face, and knew he was still the same inside, no matter how his appearance changed.
I think he had more character in AJ than in any of the previous games. Yet it was just expanding on what was already there. Sure, he changed. But after all he went through, what do you expect?
Not that it's being contested, but this is further consolidated by this:
Take a look at him the first time you see him.
After case 1, you hardly see that sprite again, IIRC. It is replaced by this.
I'm not sure, but I think even his profile picture changes. In the first he looks nothing like his old self, and it made me feel that he wasn't. But look at his eyes in the second. He feels so much more... Phoenix.
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My god!! Such a subtle difference yet so much "Phoenix" is injected into him by simply opening his eyes a bit.
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My god!! Such a subtle difference yet so much "Phoenix" is injected into him by simply opening his eyes a bit.
I'm not sure if that was meant t be sarcastic, but I think so, yes.
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RandomJibberish wrote:
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My god!! Such a subtle difference yet so much "Phoenix" is injected into him by simply opening his eyes a bit.
I'm not sure if that was meant t be sarcastic, but I think so, yes.
Opening his eyes abit (I'm also sure the mouth changes) seems to change his whole expression, somehow.
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I think it's the way his eyes look so much like the phoenix we know. Also, there's more blue in them.
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RobbieValiant wrote:
I agree it does look MORE like Phoenix, but still not to the point where I'd know it was him without being TOLD it's him.
You cannot deny that they look near identical.
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Indeed. However, I think our point is that his personality would appear more similar - not the looks.
This too.
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Indeed. However, I think our point is that his personality would appear more similar - not the looks.
Eh, maybe, but Nick and the forged evidence was a jump-the-shark moment for me. It's just too far from Nick's character, for me. It's like Batman using a gun, or Superman killing someone- something you just shouldn't see.
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Phoenix knew the evidence existed. He just needed a copy to show to kristoph to break him. It's not like how manfred made evidence that didn't exist.
That too, I suppose. It's not too different from 3-3, actually.
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RobbieValiant wrote:
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Indeed. However, I think our point is that his personality would appear more similar - not the looks.
Eh, maybe, but Nick and the forged evidence was a jump-the-shark moment for me. It's just too far from Nick's character, for me. It's like Batman using a gun, or Superman killing someone- something you just shouldn't see.
Just a little added info....
Superman killed Lex Luthor once in a Justice League series when Lex was president and had his finger on the proverbial red button taunting him about how he would never use lethal force and so couldn't stop him.
Well...that didn't quite work out for him, he got laser beamed to oblivion.
Apart from that I didn't care much for the fact he used forged evidence, as he didn't use it to prove any real point....just to elicit a certain reaction from Kristoph....who played his part accordingly and effectively signed his own execution notice
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You cannot deny that they look near identical.
He looks so much better as hobo.
Healthier too, has some colour. Old feenie is...sort of.....-erk-.
If you get me ;)
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RandomJibberish wrote:
You cannot deny that they look near identical.
He looks so much better as hobo.
Healthier too, has some colour. Old feenie is...sort of.....-erk-.
If you get me ;)
Yeah, good point.
Frankly, I prefer Phoenix as Hobo. Waay more personality.
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DramaticaXIV2 wrote:
Sounds Fishy wrote:
RandomJibberish wrote:
You cannot deny that they look near identical.
He looks so much better as hobo.
Healthier too, has some colour. Old feenie is...sort of.....-erk-.
If you get me ;)
Yeah, good point.
Frankly, I prefer Phoenix as Hobo. Waay more personality.
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Sounds Fishy wrote:
RandomJibberish wrote:
You cannot deny that they look near identical.
He looks so much better as hobo.
Healthier too, has some colour. Old feenie is...sort of.....-erk-.
But they force him to wear that stupid hat and compromise his identity! It covers up his hair spikes and his weird zig-zag eyebrows. That was intentional.
If they don't let him take off the hat in GS5, I'm going to riot.
He's supposed to look like that:
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If anything justified GS4's production, that sprite is it. I could stare at it all day. [4-1 was the only good part of the game.] And I like his badass spites in 4-1. I even like the ones where people think he looks 'stoned'. No, the ones which depress me are the ones where he looks like he's vaguely delusional on grape juice or something.
Hmm, this is off-topic isn't it. 'What part should Phoenix play in GS5?'. Lawyer. Without the hat, not with Apollo, Apollo can have his own law firm. Failing that, he should just 'leave' to live with an unspecified 'friend'.
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The thing is, we wouldn't find that out until the credits of the last case.
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It'd be just the same as having a hobo. His personality wouldn't MAGICALLY change, and he won't be playable, so what's the point?
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icer wrote:
Sounds Fishy wrote:
RandomJibberish wrote:
You cannot deny that they look near identical.
He looks so much better as hobo.
Healthier too, has some colour. Old feenie is...sort of.....-erk-.
But they force him to wear that stupid hat and compromise his identity! It covers up his hair spikes and his weird zig-zag eyebrows. That was intentional.
If they don't let him take off the hat in GS5, I'm going to riot.
He's supposed to look like that:
What they should have done is have him take his hat off when he appears in the co council revealing the hair spikes, to further enforce the phoenixness of the sprite I already posted.
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But Dramatica is right a hat is just a hat, without it doesn't make him any more likely to be a playable lawyer. I like his hat it's nice and says "Papa" on it. We all knew it was Phoenix anyway besides.....
imagine if he actually got a haircut between GS3-4 and he took his hat off we'd all be horrified.He could've done it along the lines of "I hated those spikes...people kept tormenting me about them as a lawyer....and they kept tormenting me about the past when I wasn't a lawyer"
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