I lovee thiis pairingg ! <3
Mayaa and Nick would be soo cute together. I wanna join this fan club :P
But i seem to be posting in the middle of some complicated argument .. ? haha
Andd hii twister ! Im new here too

I lovee thiis pairingg ! <3
Mayaa and Nick would be soo cute together. I wanna join this fan club :P
But i seem to be posting in the middle of some complicated argument .. ? haha
Andd hii twister ! Im new here too

Oh, Back on topic, I ADORE PxM There are so many reasons they should be together, We can't list them all!
So anyway, May I join?

Oh, and lastly, I think Maya is still helping Phoenix, In the credits, she said. "The responsibility
of being the master, and the new manager of Wright and co. Law offices." Or something like that.
So I think Maya and Phoenix are still in contact with each other.

Umm... Help please? I'm on a Mac, the newest laptop, and trying to play your fangame, but I'm confused. I downloaded PyWright, the game, Python, Pygame, PIL, and I don't know how to work it all. I'm only 14, my small brain cannot comprehend all of this computer speak. xD;;;

*poke*

Anyone know what to do? ^_^;;;

I hate how everything is made for Windows so us awesome people people with Macs have to jump through hoops to get stuff.

Salutations Here.

If you would be so kind, Allow me to talk,
Phoenix and Maya, They have been together for three years, Him and Iris?
Not likely, She's more like a College friend for him now.

:Nick! You sly dog!

Well, we were discussing it, but now icer's dropped off the face of the earth.

Yikes. Either you write much quicker than I, without needing to think in between, or this must have taken at least a week.

Nowhere does it say that Iris switching places with Dahlia in the Sacred Cavern was in any way voluntary. Elsewhere it says Dahlia overpowered her, and I see no reason to question that.

I wanna join this fan club :P

Good point. We have it on canonical authority that Maya is still helping Phoenix with trials and investigations and such. It's pretty sad and illogical she is not mentioned even in passing in AJ... But I don't care - I reject your canon and substitute my own!

You... you missed me? (And yes, I'll get back to you on that PM, I've written half of it...)

I never implied it was voluntary. The point was that Mr exjumbo kept implying that Iris actively resisted Dahlia and was heroic and strong etc. The point here is that she is compliant. Of course she can do nothing if she's overpowered, that's the way it goes, but as Phoenix observes, even after she's locked away, she doesn't call for help like she could have or resist Dahlia's whim in any way. Dahlia still has enough power over her to not actively go against her plans in this example. Anyway, I'm not arguing here... we can agree to disagree if really necessary...

In any scenario, she's going to keep looking after Phoenix, who is family. No disbarring would negate that...

Welcome to the club, Twister890!! Just make sure you read all the 46(!) other pages of this awesome fanclub thread.

Icer, I have, and am proud to say, read all the pages of your arguement with exjumbo, and you bring up all the possible points in the games.

Oh yes. It's not Maya who would dissuade this from becoming 'more than friends', though I think she assumes it's not mutual, but plenty of evidence hints she's very open to more. And I don't think this would go away. It might even intensify by game 4 type timeline...

Who thinks this couple happened, based on what they see (the attitudes and chemistry, since they aren't even in a 'relationship' yet)?:
Pearl
Dahlia
Dr Grey
Arguably DeKiller, since it was Maya he kidnapped, obviously not 'just' a legal assistant.

Oh yeah, the PW Kink Meme is re-open for requests, so request away, people, I want to write more fanfic so I need more prompts for inspiration... :)

Hahah he's the one who decided we had to destruct every point of argument and every point of my claims, not me..
But your feedback was very useful. It at least got me thinking. I was assuming he'd eventually run out of ways to try to fault my argument (he's getting a bit more desperate) but maybe he won't. It's clear (as I suspected, but you've just confirmed this) that it's time for an additional tactic. You've helped me think of some.

Also, I have to take better control of this and force him to play up against the strengths of the Phoenix/Maya concept and the weaknesses of the Phoenix/Iris concept. And.. have you noticed that the pairings are, in effect, the opposite of each other in terms of basis? I have to find the biggest weakness in Phoenix/Iris and the unrebuttable canon facts of Phoenix/Maya basis (aka 'prove that this can only ever be a 'familial' relationship???').

DISCLAIMER: IRIS FANS I'M SORRY IF YOU READ THIS THREAD (yes this is a slight exaggeration)

Phoenix-Iris - Based on almost nothing, except some sudden physical attraction to Dahlia (which was successfully transfered to Iris but, even the Judge is seduced by Dahlia) and some kind of abstract concept of a romantic love token confession. (And it did seem to revolve around this because why else wouldn't he give the bottle up?) Very nice in the.. short term...might have been great if they could have had the most.. basic communication. Real life devastates their little world. (Hey, why didn't Iris go to the trial and see Feenie if she cared? Dahlia was safely with police and... oh never mind..). On return... um well yes there's physical attraction but.. they hope to continue their little fantasy world now? They're in love - because they are? What do they see in each other? How do they benefit each other?

Phoenix-Maya - *sigh* well we never get any romantic love confession (but Phoenix never gives a confession to Iris after 3-1, only Iris ever professes anything implying continuation) but the idea is for this in future... what we do get is love of the most extreme kind (in far greater intensity than anything displayed by Phoenix<->Iris) and a relationship which seems to be so beneficial to each other, it's like they've found their 'other half'. All of which springs up in the space of 3 years, arguably even by 1-4 things have reached a pretty intense level of attachment after less than a year (and I have trouble thinking a 'sibling only ever bond' could spring up that fast - siblings grow up together since, birth practically, and are children when they meet.. and..).

Apart from just seeming to genuinely enjoy each others' company (friends) they actually seem to be each others' emotional support and stability (this is getting more interesting). And seriously, "Maya 'might' get hurt' seems to be an unbearable proposition to Phoenix (one he indeed risks his life over without thought... wow.) and of course 'Maya is dead' is about the worst thing in the universe.

And they somehow seem to function better together - it's Maya who provides the invaluable assistance to Phoenix to allow him to solve the cases and excel in his law career - but it's nothing to do with her being a great legal mind, Phoenix does all the law stuff, she's just seemingly complementary in supporting him and going to extremes to do so. The sidekick! but a very interesting take on one too... (and I get the feeling things would be similar if Phoenix was not a lawyer, but some other vaguely similar game... the relationship ceased to be about the law firm or even Mia by the end of 1-4, that's just the excuse.)

And, even more tellingly, it seems Maya is just as benefiting from Phoenix's tacit belief in her - that's what motivates her to finish her spirit medium training, helping Nick, and arguably what gives her the courage to even take the Kurain Master position, and certainly what helps her get through Mia's death, the attempts to murder her (and we can but hope, Misty's death.) Oh and Phoenix actually mopes disfunctionally without her even as early as 1-5. Unlike Iris, they'd actually die for each other and prove it. And there's various hints alluding strongly to possibilities of [future] romance and even some kind of crush on Maya's part.

Unfortunately, we never get the actual on-screen romance or reporting on its existence. But we get the entire basis for the relationship and indeed the entire relationship and even the intense love. The partnership runs so deep... we just don't get some kind of assertion of additional romance during the actual games (though the entire framework for their romantic relationship is beyond built. The most beautiful of romantic partnerships - just add romance?).

Phoenix/Iris? There's an assertion of [past] romance and a stronger hint of physical attraction (but there's enough evidence that Phoenix and Maya are NOT un-attracted to each other, so forget 'sibling' on that count) but no basis and framework for an actual deeper relationship out of this.. or even love beyond 'we are in love because of um a romantic idea' - there's no going to great lengths to save Phoenix or help him on Iris' part, like Maya does for Phoenix.

Basically, the strengths and weaknesses of the 'pairings' are the opposites:

Phoenix/Maya - STRENGTHS: intense, intense love, emotional and functional partnership running so deep on so many levels, hints highlighting strong potential for romance, proven to overcome significant life challenges, proven even to die for each other. Are the most necessary people in each others' lives, indispensable. WEAKNESSES: No on-screen romance or romance confession, only vague evidence to physical attraction.

Phoenix/Iris - STRENGTHS: proven physical attraction, romance history and confession (NOT in present for Phoenix though). WEAKNESSES: Evidence of disfunctionality in relationship beyond 'romance', little basis to deeper relationship outside romance, precedent of not handling life challenges, Iris' loyalty in question - precedent of NOT having Phoenix as priority, precedent of not being most important people in each other's lives, lack of direct relevance in present to each other's lives

Well, sorry that was long... arranging my thoughts I guess?

And I think, Grossberg will show up in court at one point in the next game.
Either a Aide, or the defendant.

*A-HEM!*

]Yikes, I hope that doesn't mean it's going to be as long as that gamefaqs multipost. Answering that first analysis was a real doozy... took me all day to write the response...

If by compliant you mean that Iris let Dahlia have her way instead of struggling and getting punched in the face after Dahlia subdued her, I think that's probable. She probably begged Dahlia to stop, but obviously it couldn't work since Dahlia has no heart.

I would like to see how the Apollo Justice canon nazis (does such a person really exist? ) would explain how Maya isn't in Phoenix life anymore two months later despite the intention she clearly states here.

If you have read that Fanfic with Phoenix's Sweater

Why won't Capcom admit it?

It should be shorter than last time. Too many other boring things came up and I haven't got to give it my full attention again [I'm not doing it when I'm half asleep]


Phoenix:
If you had tried to get
help at the Sacred Cavern
yesterday...

Phoenix:
...you wouldn't have spent

Spoiler:

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4769402/1/Turnabout_Regression

an entire day locked up
in there.

I mean that one. That's definitely Phoenix asking why didn't she try harder to get help etc after she was locked up. The 'always loved her' is more specifically about the bridge thing etc, but that comment leads Iris in that direction, so it's a lingering vestige of the same thing. Anyway, I can't even remember exactly what I was arguing with that one in my original 'debate' so let's just agree to different interpretation and close the issue, it's not really on topic for this thread anyway.


Oh, this forum is swarming with them, in fact the powers-that-be were so sick of people decrying the lack of Maya, Edgeworth and making demands for Phoenix in the next game that now every single thing on that topic is now confined to one obscure thread and claimed as unjustified insanity by a lot of people. I can't even remember exactly what their arguments are, despite arguing with them to death, strange... oh, it 'might confuse new players' to know that Phoenix not only ate ramen with his assistant, but maybe missed her absence at the flashback trial or gave him a magatama? It's less confusing for the magatama to come out of thin air without explanation. Of course, it was not confusing to new players to reference 1-5 or have characters like Meekins return.

The other one is that of course Maya just decided she didn't want to be Phoenix's friend any more, despite the fact he wasn't disbarred yet. Arguing that this is contradictory is useless, it seems. Or that it turned out that being Kurain Master means you're stuck in Kurain 24 hours a day, 366days a year, meaning she had to quit being assistant or ever seeing him again, (and that it would be criminal for her to go and visit Phoenix for even half a day, people actually cite this) even though Misty, even after she disappeared, still exerted Kurain Master influence and 3-5 seemed to make it as some kind of diplomatic position which would probably benefit from only being in Kurain part time, particularly if things were coming back to their former reputation. (And of course that it contradicts the canon ending and canon assertion of Kurain Master.)

One example
Oh I can dig up more.

oh, welcome to the club, Babess!

Which one is that?

They knew there were many fans for many different pairings, so they left them all as a vague possibility to make sure the ending pleased everyone. I do support this move, though in light of GS4 I wish they'd made Phoenix/Maya canon, would have made Maya more difficult to make disappear.

It should be shorter than last time. Too many other boring things came up and I haven't got to give it my full attention again [I'm not doing it when I'm half asleep]

Oh, this forum is swarming with them, in fact the powers-that-be were so sick of people decrying the lack of Maya, Edgeworth and making demands for Phoenix in the next game that now every single thing on that topic is now confined to one obscure thread and claimed as unjustified insanity by a lot of people. I can't even remember exactly what their arguments are, despite arguing with them to death, strange... oh, it 'might confuse new players' to know that Phoenix not only ate ramen with his assistant, but maybe missed her absence at the flashback trial or gave him a magatama? It's less confusing for the magatama to come out of thin air without explanation. Of course, it was not confusing to new players to reference 1-5 or have characters like Meekins return.

The other one is that of course Maya just decided she didn't want to be Phoenix's friend any more, despite the fact he wasn't disbarred yet. Arguing that this is contradictory is useless, it seems. Or that it turned out that being Kurain Master means you're stuck in Kurain 24 hours a day, 366days a year, meaning she had to quit being assistant or ever seeing him again, (and that it would be criminal for her to go and visit Phoenix for even half a day, people actually cite this) even though Misty, even after she disappeared, still exerted Kurain Master influence and 3-5 seemed to make it as some kind of diplomatic position which would probably benefit from only being in Kurain part time, particularly if things were coming back to their former reputation. (And of course that it contradicts the canon ending and canon assertion of Kurain Master.)

They knew there were many fans for many different pairings, so they left them all as a vague possibility to make sure the ending pleased everyone. I do support this move, though in light of GS4 I wish they'd made Phoenix/Maya canon, would have made Maya more difficult to make disappear.

has anybody posted regarding Maya's side of the relationship during the Phoenix arc? As far as I can tell, most of you are disputing a) Phoenix's feelings for Iris and Maya, and b) GS4. This has probably been posted before, but I refuse to read 47 pages of walls of text.

Is that the one where everyone hated the ending? Is this where they wake up and find the ending of the previous fic was a bad dream?

Yes, it did have a terrible ending. Mostly because I lost hope for it and rushed the last chapter. I assure you two things. The first is that it will NOT have a terrible ending. On the contrary, it will have an ending that makes people feel glad, not mad. The second thing I assure you is that the last chapter won't turn out to be a dream. I've overdone dreaming already. I'll figure out a way to continue the almost un-continuable story in a way that doesn't wind up being a dream or a drunken haze.

OH yeah, baby. Do it!!!

There is so much Phoenix/Maya in the PW Kink Meme: Ultimate Het index!!

And I am proud to say that I have read them all.

*poke*

Anyone know what to do? ^_^;;;

I hate how everything is made for Windows so us awesome people people with Macs have to jump through hoops to get stuff.

Time to reply to the key points in this post and inform you all on an update regarding Reunion 2.

Firstly, I'm not going to revise the ending. The story died back in October, meaning it will more than likely be bumped. (Possibly getting someone in trouble for bumping it) But even if bumping was not an issue, It's just one lousy chapter. It's not like a total revision of a chapter in a fan fiction will change much. Not to mention I could tie up the loose ends in a sequel.
Secondly, making a sequel would surely spark my interest as a writer and generate new and old fans to the story. I have so much more to work with if I do a sequel, as opposed to the limitations of a single chapter as you suggested.
Thirdly, work is already being done on the first chapter. Expect a long read in the next couple of days. It shouldn't take more than a week to write, even when I am busy with other matters.

but early on in 2-2, if you examine the garden in the Winding Way (before you find the material scrap), Phoenix comments that "The weather is lovely today, but inside my heart it is raining..." or something to that effect.

Gah, I accidentally wasted my my night!
Fanart with mouse. Reasons unknown.
So tell me, oh Phoenix/Maya fans, should I make some attempt to clean up my scribble, or should I just spare us visual assault?


Welcome to the club. I love 2-2 soooo much. Now I kind of want to play it. Again.

Icer, I think Maya should be filled out a bit, because she looks kind of boneless. But Phoenix looks great!

Twister, Godot tortured Nick? I'm not sure what you mean...

Time to reply to the key points in this post and inform you all on an update regarding Reunion 2.

Firstly, I'm not going to revise the ending. The story died back in October, meaning it will more than likely be bumped. (Possibly getting someone in trouble for bumping it) But even if bumping was not an issue, It's just one lousy chapter. It's not like a total revision of a chapter in a fan fiction will change much. Not to mention I could tie up the loose ends in a sequel.
Secondly, making a sequel would surely spark my interest as a writer and generate new and old fans to the story. I have so much more to work with if I do a sequel, as opposed to the limitations of a single chapter as you suggested.
Thirdly, work is already being done on the first chapter. Expect a long read in the next couple of days. It shouldn't take more than a week to write, even when I am busy with other matters.

IT'S CALLED PSHYCOLOGICAL TORTURING!
Did you ever hear that term? If not, Why come?

I'm aware of that. I just don't remember Godot ever doing so.

Szabu, it IS colored! Maya's eyes are very much brown.
But, seriously, I agree - color will do wonders for it, if you feel like it.