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GS 1-DL-6 ( in all the cases you learn about dl-6, misty fey and edgeworth)
GS 2-NO Relation
gs 3-Dahlia ( 3-1 3-4, 3-5)
gs 4- Phoenix and why he lost his badge ( also lamior in 4-3)
But jfa has no connection any one notice this and have a response. Your thoughts.
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Hey, you're right about that! I never really realized that.
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Aye.
But I never noticed either, I think it's coz I played JFA first.
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That aside, methinks JFA suffered the same thing that most sequels do; inconsistency.
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But now that you mentioned it, this is exactly the thing that was weird.
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Oh, and 2-3 sets up the stage for 2-4, since
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thekalbie wrote:
oh woopdido so you see edgeworth at the end of 2-3 but still the actual murderers and murders are not related..... SO THERE.
Why do murders and murderers need to be connected?
Also, if I'm not mistaken, the storyline for JFA is about Edgeworth's disappearance. And, pretty much every case mentions that in some way or another. (Well, except for the first case.)
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And, pretty much every case mentions that in some way or another. (Well, except for the first case.)
Which in itself is weird, because in T/T and A/J the first case is connected to the storyline. AA mayn't've been, tho.
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Pearl the Barrister wrote:
FoolMeNever wrote:
And, pretty much every case mentions that in some way or another. (Well, except for the first case.)
Which in itself is weird, because in T/T and A/J the first case is connected to the storyline. AA mayn't've been, tho.
It -kind- of does, the whole (I wouldn't be able to keep my promise) bit hinting at the horrible event to transpire in 1-2.
Sheesh thekalbie, it doesn't mean that EVERYTHING has to interconnect. Like someone else mentioned, it's centered around Edgeworth's disappearance and his turning of a leaf come 2-4.
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Franziska1959 wrote:
I want to know about this new Phoenix Wright game called JFL and why I haven't played it.
It hasn't been released yet, it'll be a spin-off collection of mini-games including a burger-eating contest where you have to challenge Maya, a you-blink-you-lose game against Gant, a russian-roulette style "tray of coffee cups" game with Dahlia as the boss (sorry Diego, you've already lost this game) and many more exciting mini-games. Phoenix Wright: Just For Laughs
Damn, I started this as a joke, but I actually would love it if it was true.
On the topic though, yeah the cases themselves aren't connected (but neither were the ones in the first game, or the 3rd in general, just 3-1, 3-4 and 3-5) but there's still a main plot through the game (except for 2-1 as was already noted, which I guess they did because of the amnesia gimmick) which is Edgeworth's disappearance and Franziska coming to find him while getting revenge on Nick (wtf blue-haired bitch?) and also, setting up for Morgan's plan.
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Franziska1959 wrote:
I want to know about this new Phoenix Wright game called JFL and why I haven't played it.
It hasn't been released yet, it'll be a spin-off collection of mini-games including a burger-eating contest where you have to challenge Maya, a you-blink-you-lose game against Gant, a russian-roulette style "tray of coffee cups" game with Dahlia as the boss (sorry Diego, you've already lost this game) and many more exciting mini-games. Phoenix Wright: Just For Laughs
Damn, I started this as a joke, but I actually would love it if it was true.
On the topic though, yeah the cases themselves aren't connected (but neither were the ones in the first game, or the 3rd in general, just 3-1, 3-4 and 3-5) but there's still a main plot through the game (except for 2-1 as was already noted, which I guess they did because of the amnesia gimmick) which is Edgeworth's disappearance and Franziska coming to find him while getting revenge on Nick (wtf blue-haired bitch?) and also, setting up for Morgan's plan.
yeah, the plan that would
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And I hate you now, I want that game too... any idea when it's coming out? *shot* xD
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Franziska1959 wrote:
Cappuccino wrote:
Franziska1959 wrote:
I want to know about this new Phoenix Wright game called JFL and why I haven't played it.
It hasn't been released yet, it'll be a spin-off collection of mini-games including a burger-eating contest where you have to challenge Maya, a you-blink-you-lose game against Gant, a russian-roulette style "tray of coffee cups" game with Dahlia as the boss (sorry Diego, you've already lost this game) and many more exciting mini-games. Phoenix Wright: Just For Laughs
Damn, I started this as a joke, but I actually would love it if it was true.
On the topic though, yeah the cases themselves aren't connected (but neither were the ones in the first game, or the 3rd in general, just 3-1, 3-4 and 3-5) but there's still a main plot through the game (except for 2-1 as was already noted, which I guess they did because of the amnesia gimmick) which is Edgeworth's disappearance and Franziska coming to find him while getting revenge on Nick (wtf blue-haired bitch?) and also, setting up for Morgan's plan.
yeah, the plan that would
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And I hate you now, I want that game too... any idea when it's coming out? *shot* xD
AHHHHHH Stupid idiots. When i originaly wrote this topic i wrote jfl instead of jfa. She was not talking about your gay gamee of gaynes. I did not mean this screwd up game caled JUST FOR LAUGHS. Damn bloody idiots.
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AHHHHHH Stupid idiots. When i originaly wrote this topic i wrote jfl instead of jfa. She was not talking about your gay gamee of gaynes. I did not mean this screwd up game caled JUST FOR LAUGHS. Damn bloody idiots.
Ah chill out.
That game sounds like a top idea
I also want to know when Just for Laughs is out hahaha
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Franziska1959 wrote:
It -kind- of does, the whole (I wouldn't be able to keep my promise) bit hinting at the horrible event to transpire in 1-2.
Sheesh thekalbie, it doesn't mean that EVERYTHING has to interconnect. Like someone else mentioned, it's centered around Edgeworth's disappearance and his turning of a leaf come 2-4.
What do you mean keep your promise ? What do you mean 1-2. What the hell does 1-2 have to do with this. Ohh and yes EVERYTHINg has to interconect what would the ace attorney seires be without interconnections? hm hmm ha i did'nt think you had an answer.
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loobywright wrote:
thekalbie wrote:
AHHHHHH Stupid idiots. When i originaly wrote this topic i wrote jfl instead of jfa. She was not talking about your gay gamee of gaynes. I did not mean this screwd up game caled JUST FOR LAUGHS. Damn bloody idiots.
Ah chill out.
That game sounds like a top idea
I also want to know when Just for Laughs is out hahaha
You are all obviously Bloody idiots. SPAMERS. If you want to talk about your gay little game of gayness go make your own bloody topic.
Ohh... and no i am not from england just because i say bloody.
So there.
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loobywright wrote:
Learn to edit your posts please.
what do you you mean learn to edit your posts. Where do i need editing.
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thekalbie wrote:
loobywright wrote:
thekalbie wrote:
AHHHHHH Stupid idiots. When i originaly wrote this topic i wrote jfl instead of jfa. She was not talking about your gay gamee of gaynes. I did not mean this screwd up game caled JUST FOR LAUGHS. Damn bloody idiots.
Ah chill out.
That game sounds like a top idea
I also want to know when Just for Laughs is out hahaha
You are all obviously Bloody idiots. SPAMERS. If you want to talk about your gay little game of gayness go make your own bloody topic.
Ohh... and no i am not from england just because i say bloody.
So there.
I am attempting to read your post, but all I see is BAWWWWW *coughs*
Chill out, someone decided to play off my joke, and most if not all the other people were talking about how this game somewhat has an underlying plot.
But like I mentioned before, JFA, while good, suffers from the mediocrity bug that always seems to hit sequels/spin offs. To be honest, it was only the fact that Franziska was the main antagonist that made me purchase JFA over the original game.
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thekalbie wrote:
Ohh and yes EVERYTHINg has to interconect what would the ace attorney seires be without interconnections? hm hmm ha i did'nt think you had an answer.
Well, technically since GS1 was planned as a stand alone game, no, not everything has to interconnect.
I think the creators didn't realize how popular the game would be, so when it came time to write the sequel the thread that was supposed to tie the cases together (Edgeworth's disappearance) was thin and weak. Case one was to re-introduce how to play the game to those who hadn't played the first. Case 2 was to introduce the Pysch lock system. Case 3 is really just filler until the part with Edgeworth, and Case 4 is the epic last case with a major twist.
It wasn't until after this that even the first cases started to connect with the rest of the game's cases. Each game still has its filler cases though, or what seem like filler until another element of the story is revealed.
Also, it's not considered nice to yell and be generally rude to people when all they are trying to do is have a discussion. People are going to disagree with you, but there is no need to jump down someone's throat because of it, or because they made a joke about your failure to proof read your own post and it went somewhere.
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Lunaria42 wrote:
It wasn't until after this that even the first cases started to connect with the rest of the game's cases. Each game still has its filler cases though, or what seem like filler until another element of the story is revealed.
True enough, Turnabout Samurai in AA for example, or even 3-2 and 3-3, they can be considered filler. Of course there are small (or sometimes not so small) things that connect them with past or future cases (like the red stain on Maggey's apron in 3-3, I never thought it'd be that significant) but they're not, I guess you can say, part of the main plot.
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AHHHHHH Stupid idiots. When i originaly wrote this topic i wrote jfl instead of jfa. She was not talking about your gay gamee of gaynes. I did not mean this screwd up game caled JUST FOR LAUGHS. Damn bloody idiots.
Cranky much?
Every post I've read has been on topic (besides your insulting ones of course), so I can't see why you'd call me a spammer, all I did was make a joke, which by the way wasn't meant to be offensive to your typing skills. (this sentence just now however was) So I suggest you take a chill pill and piss off.
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I would argue that 1-2, 1-4, 2-2, 3-1, 3-4 and 3-5, sometimes known as the "Fey arc" form the main storyline of the game. Regardless of their respective quality, these cases can't be considered as fillers, for the simple reason that 3-5 doesn't make any sense if you haven't played all of them. Although it probably isn't what the creators had in mind at the beginning, JFA ended up being connected... to T&T.
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So obviously when they made GS1, they wanted 1-4 to connect to something before it.
But when they made GS2, they knew that they'd finish the entire saga with one epic case in a 3rd game, so they just went to build for it during GS2 and GS3.
I mean, 3-5 is connected to 2-2 and 2-4 just as much as to 3-1 and 3-5.
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-There are much less JFA sprites than the other two games in terms of complexity.
-The soundtrack is not THAT great compared to the other two games (IMO)
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Was working with JFA sprites today and:
-There are much less JFA sprites than the other two games in terms of complexity.
-The soundtrack is not THAT great compared to the other two games (IMO)
-There are much less JFA sprites than the other two games in terms of complexity.
-The soundtrack is not THAT great compared to the other two games (IMO)
I'll say it before and I'll say it again- this game suffers from sequel-itis.
But then again, Ini is perhaps the most complex of all the sprites, but even then her "dancing" sprite looked really..... off for some reason or another. The "action" animations in both AA and TaT were much more thought out (even on "lazy" characters like Viola)
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- First of all, the music isn't bad. You are probably just attached to AA's music too much. In my opinion, JFA's soundtrack is superior to AA's. Of course, you are free to dislike JFA's music, but it's not a fact that "JFA has crappy music".
- Sprites? Well, if you count Phoenix, Maya and Edgeworth's sprites to the AA1 sprites, that of course, there are less JFA sprites. But is that really fair? I mean, how can you expect the sequel to have as many new things as the original? "The Empire Strikes Back" had a lot less new characters that "A New Hope", for obvious reasons. With same length, the sequel will never have as many new things as the original.
There aren't more AA-only sprites than JFA-only sprites, if you don't count Rise from the Ashes. And well, you shouldn't, because that was added a lot later, so when JFA was first a sequel, it sure wasn't "sequel-like" at all.
- JFA wasn't a step back from the original AA1. It had equal amount of cases, longer cases, better cases (in my opinion, JFA had 2 10/10 cases, while AA had only 1), equal amount of game-exclusive sprites, an almost all-new score (how many other sequels have that?) that's just as good as the original (I actually prefer it), new gameplay elements (think Psyche-locks) and everything. Of course, T&T was a HUGE step up. (Actually, Trials and Tribulations is the best game ever, if you ask me).
It seems obvious that the creators made JFA with the same care and attention as AA, which isn't a common thing with sequels.
It's all the matter of preference, but I like JFA more than AA (even with 1-5). I just liked the new direction they took with JFA (and continued in T&T to an even greater extent): More fun, more supernatural things, more emotion and more over-the-top-ness.
And Phoenix x Maya also started in JFA, even if the PxE fans will think the other way.
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I mean, 3-5 is connected to 2-2 and 2-4 just as much as to 3-1 and 3-5.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME 2-4 IS NOT related to anything execpt itself. Let alone related to 3-5. How the hell is 2-4 related to 3-5. Its even pushing it to say 1-4 is related to 3-5 ( but i guess it is because of misty fey). Explain your self.
Oh and jfa sucked besides 2-2 and 2-4 it sucked music, connections, characters, and moe the gay screwed up clown. Who ever thinks this escuse for a game is good should go to the get a life topic.
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thekalbie wrote:
Szabu wrote:
I mean, 3-5 is connected to 2-2 and 2-4 just as much as to 3-1 and 3-5.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME 2-4 IS NOT related to anything execpt itself. Let alone related to 3-5. How the hell is 2-4 related to 3-5. Its even pushing it to say 1-4 is related to 3-5 ( but i guess it is because of misty fey). Explain your self.
Oh and jfa sucked besides 2-2 and 2-4 it sucked music, connections, characters, and moe the gay screwed up clown. Who ever thinks this escuse for a game is good should go to the get a life topic.
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thekalbie wrote:
Szabu wrote:
I mean, 3-5 is connected to 2-2 and 2-4 just as much as to 3-1 and 3-5.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME 2-4 IS NOT related to anything execpt itself. Let alone related to 3-5. How the hell is 2-4 related to 3-5. Its even pushing it to say 1-4 is related to 3-5 ( but i guess it is because of misty fey). Explain your self.
Oh and jfa sucked besides 2-2 and 2-4 it sucked music, connections, characters, and moe the gay screwed up clown. Who ever thinks this escuse for a game is good should go to the get a life topic.
Isn't... 2-4 related to 1-3 in a way?
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I'm surprised that a few of you don't like JFA. That was the first one I bought and if I didn't like it I might not have bothered getting the rest lol
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2-4. That was the game. They could have had that one case only and I still would have bought it.
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thekalbie wrote:
ok so 2-4 is related to 1-3 but 2-4 is not related to 3-5. Show me that 2-4 is elated to 3-5 prove it.
True, the cases themselves aren't related, but the last big point of character development before 3-5 was 2-4.
I mean, think of Phoenix, who finally understands what it is to defend.
Think of Edgeworth who returned "from the dead" with a new attitude. Think of his interactions with Phoenix and others, which directly affected to his 3-5 self and 3-5 timepoint relationships.
Think of Franziska's development, especially with Edgeworth. Also, this directly precedes their 3-5 relationship.
Think of Phoenix and Maya. 2-4 was the point when their closeness and dedication to each other became apparent and obvious. This also affect Phoenix's actions in 3-5. Even if you don't ship Phoenix x Maya, you can't argue that their relationship went to a new level in 2-4.
And other small things.
So the crimes of 2-4 and 3-5 aren't related, but the events of those few days when 3-5 took place were greatly affected by 2-4's events.
So my opinion about JFA in general.
Yeah, I was disappointed with 2-1. I thought the amnesia gimmick was lame and stupid, the case had too many goofs (can't present broken neck as contradiction?), and was way too hard. It's a failure as an opening case, but all in all, it's not bad. It's a nice addition to the story, introduced Maggey and had quite a few funny moments. And 2-1 is a lot better than 4-1.
But 2-2 was fantastic! It was just like 1-4 (I mean, the 2 cases are very similar, in another thread i wrote a long list about the similarities), just even better. Had more emotional impact. Maybe it comes from the fact that Maya is my favorite character besides Phoenix, but 2-2 was epic, emotional, intense and inspiring. My favorite case up until it.
2-3 was hard. I mean, almost as hard as 1-5. The investigations were tedious and sometimes confusing, and I detest Trilo. The first time I thought it's the worst case after 2-1 (in the first 2 games), but when I played it a second time, I liked it a lot and realized how funny it was. No, not Moe or Trilo were funny, but Maya, and especially Franziska. Franny was just hilarious in 2-3. Now I like it more than 1-1, 1-2 or 1-3.
And 2-4... i think I don't even need to comment on this one, it was just so fantastic.
So, yeah, I liked JFA slightly more than AA.
The comment saying that "JFA sucked besides 2-2 and 2-4" is simply ridiculous. So you say that "JFA sucks, except the 2/3 of it". If more than half of the game is great, you can't say that it sucks. The correct statement would be "JFA was great, except for 2-1 and 2-3".
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