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I agree with Slash_3-D. Those would be the best punishments ever! Funny! I would laugh at the people (I know you would too).
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Waiting For Godot wrote:
Dee Vasquez: 5 years of jail, for justified self-defense, but a murder is a murder.


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I thought the point of justified self defense was that the defendent ends up free, since he didn't actually "murder" someone. :snap:


Hmm...well said :grossburg: . Thinking about it, defending ourselves is only part of nature... I'm pretty sure a lot of people would have done the same thing, or similar. I don't think someone would let him/herself get killed, unless you're pretty darn suicidal. :nick:

Objection sustained :udgy:

Well, lot's of people confuse the term "murder" with killing. Murder is only when the person is aware of the crime(mens rea), has a personal motive to do it and actually does it. For example, Dee Vasquez was not aware of her action(that pushing hime aside could murder Jack Hammer) and she was overpowered(Jack Hammer had a weapon, she didn't).

So it qualifies as self defense.

I disagree - even if it was in self defense, she was still trying to kill him. She pushed him off to impale him with the spikes. So it would be a murder in self defense, unlike Pal Meraktis who didn't mean to kill Alita - he would have got off scott free. Also, Dee would be given a much longer sentence for two counts of attempted murder. Remember she called her mob in to 'get rid of' Phoenix and Maya? Also, 'silencing' the photographer and being in the mafia would definitely get her quite a lengthy prison time.
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The Red Dahlia wrote:
I disagree - even if it was in self defense, she was still trying to kill him. She pushed him off to impale him with the spikes. So it would be a murder in self defense,


You do know that killing someone in self-defence isn't punishable by the law, right?
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Xray wrote:
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Were I the one determining the sentences...

Note: these all fairly closely follow the Federal Sentencing Guidelines.
Spoiler: all cases
Frank Sahwit: Voluntary manslaughter, theft (probably several counts), perjury; 10 years; $200,000
Redd White: First-degree murder, perjury, obstruction of justice, blackmail; life; $500,000
Dee Vasquez: Justified self-defense, perjury, obstruction of justice; 3 years; $40,000
Yanni Yogi: First-degree murder, perjury, obstruction of justice; life; $250,000
Manfred von Karma: Second-degree murder, first-degree murder, obstruction of justice, perjury; death; $750,000
Damon Gant: Second-degree murder (two counts, both with official victims), obstruction of justice (two counts), perjury; death; $1,000,000
Richard Wellington: Voluntary manslaughter (official victim), obstruction of justice, perjury; 30 years; $200,000
Mimi Miney: First-degree murder, obstruction of justice, perjury, involuntary manslaughter (15 counts); life; $250,000
Ken Dingling: Voluntary manslaughter, obstruction of justice, perjury, conspiracy to commit murder; 15 years; $150,000
Matt Engarde: First-degree murder; life; $250,000
Shelly de Killer: First-degree murder (way too many counts), perjury; death; $1,000,000
Dahlia Hawthorne: First-degree murder (official victim), second-degree murder, conspiracy to commit murder, perjury (two counts), obstruction of justice (two counts), theft; death; $500,000
Luke Atmey: First-degree murder, blackmail, theft (five counts), perjury, obstruction of justice; life; $250,000
Furio Tigre: Second-degree murder, blackmail, theft, perjury, obstruction of justice; life; $200,000
Diego Armando: Voluntary manslaughter, obstruction of justice; 12 years; $100,000
Kristoph Gavin: First-degree murder (two counts), perjury (two counts), obstruction of justice (two counts); death; $800,000
Alita Tiala: Voluntary manslaughter, perjury; 8 years; $90,000
Daryan Crescend: Voluntary manslaughter (official victim), perjury, obstruction of justice, aggravated assault, smuggling; life; $250,000

Probable the most accurate one...


Yeah, though some of them are too harsh, like Diego. I mean, it was in somebody else's defense, so it's justified.
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NinjaMonkey wrote:
The Red Dahlia wrote:
I disagree - even if it was in self defense, she was still trying to kill him. She pushed him off to impale him with the spikes. So it would be a murder in self defense,


You do know that killing someone in self-defence isn't punishable by the law, right?

Well, maybe not in real life, but in the game, I think it would be, as Edgeworth who if he accidentally killed his father when he was 8, would be sentenced to jail for murder.

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Mimi Miney: First-degree murder, obstruction of justice, perjury, involuntary manslaughter (15 counts); life; $250,000

Mimi Miney would definitely have got death. She commited a lot more crimes such as dangerous driving causing death, conspiring to kill, identity theft, and probably lots of other crimes related to that last one.
If Terry Fawles was on death row for killing one person, she would get death for sure (in the game, anyway.)
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Furio Tigre(he was basically making sure he didn't die by killing Elg)


The keyword in a self-defence defence is 'reasonable force'. Killing a hitman who's coming to cap you would count. Poisoning a third party to get money to pay off someone who may kill you in the future would not.

Dude committed a cold-blooded murder in support of a theft, to attain something to be sold on the black market, to allow others to commit terrorism. He got the spike.


It was either that or he dies. I think the court would understand that part. Life for sure, but not death


He killed Glen, that alone deserves death in my book *for other reasons though*

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OMFG! It can't be! Everyone received death?! Here is what I think
Spoiler:
Sahwit: 5 years in jail. (Thievery and [murder?!])
Redd White: 6 years in jail. (It was personal and he were blackmailing and killed Mia. BASTARD!)
Dee Vasquez: 3 years in jail. (Self-defense and mob ties.)
Yanni Yogi: 6 years in jail. (He confessed the murder)
Von Karma: 12 years in jail. (He will maybe, perish in jail, because he'll have 77yrs when get out)
Damon Gant: 9 years in jail.
Richard Wellington: 3 years in jail/2 years doing communitary service. :beef::WAHT!
Mimi Miney: 20 years in jail! :karma:
Acro: 4 years in jail! :acro:: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Matt Enguarde: 7 years in jail. (we could put alchohol to his scars! :karma:)
Dahlia Hawthorne: Death.
Luke Atmey: 6 years in jail.
Tigre: 6 years in jail! :zenitora:: WATH THE F00K?
Godot: 4 years in jail.


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Slash_3-D LOL. Yes... that's what I'd call true justice :keiko:

Bruce Goldberg wrote:
If I use the Japanese court of law, most of these cases will end up with the death penalty or life imprisonment. But I'll use the Australian court of law here. Note that the bail comes after a set period in gaol/jail.

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Frank Sahwit - First degree of manslaughter with intentional bodily harm, first degree of robbery, first degree of breaking and enter, first degree of fraud, perjury. Most likely a 25 year sentence with applied bail after at least 15 years. Cost probably $200000.

Redd White - First degree of murder, first degree of blackmail, second degree in obstruction of justice, first degree of illegal use of evidence, possibly perjury. Most likely a 50 year sentence with applied bail after 35 years of prison. Cost most likely be $500000.

Dee Vasquez - accidental killing or killing in self-defence. Most likely be acquitted of all charges.

Yanni Yogi - first degree of murder. Most likely a 28 year sentence with bail applicable after 18 years. Cost most likely be $225000

Mannfred von Karma - first degree of murder, accomplice of murder, first degree in obstruction of justice, use of forged evidence, perjury. Most likely life imprisonment due to his obstruction of justice and himself being a prosecutor, no bail allowed

Lana Skye - first degree in obstruction of justice, accomplice of murder. Most likely a 12 year sentence with bail applicable after 3 years. Cost probably $150000

Damon Gant - 2 first degrees of murder (one a civilian, the other a police officer), first degree in obstruction of justice, illegal handling of evidence, perjury (in the Australian court of law, you must testify if specifically asked. You cannot use the right of silence to not implicate yourself.) Most likely life imprisonment, no bail allowed.

Richard Wellington - first degree of manslaughter, first degree of tampering with evidence, first degree of fraud. Most likely a 50 year imprisonment with either no bail allowed or bail applicable after 45 years. Reason being is killing a police officer offers the most harshest judgement.

Mimi Miney - first degree of manslaughter, possible degree in murder. Most likely 45 years sentence with bail applicable within 12 years. Cost most likely be $290000

Morgan Fey - third degree of manslaughter. But with 3-5, she is also has another degree of manslaughter for Misty. So that means 2 third degree of manslaughter. Most likely a 35 year sentence with bail applicable in 18 years. Cost probably $340000 for both cases.

Acro/Ken Dingling - accidental murder but most likely still charged under second degree murder. Either complete acquittal or a 12 year sentence with bail applicable in 3 years. He did show compassion and remorse so that'll drop the bail date earlier. Cost most likely $100000

Matt Engarde - second degree of murder (he did plan it so the responsibility of the murder falls on him), first degree of blackmail. Sentence most likely be 56 years with bail applicable in 35 years. Cost most likely be $455000

Luke Atmey - first degree in obstruction of justice, first degree in murder, perjury. Sentence most likely be 57 years with bail applicable in 23 years. Cost most likely be more than he can afford!

Furio Tigre - first degree of murder, first degree in obstruction of justice. Impersonating a legal court officer is enough warrant for a life sentence here. No bail allowed.

Godot/Diego Armando - although killing in justified self defence, he is still technically earns a degree in manslaughter. First degree in obstruction of justice, perjury. Sentence can range from complete acquittal or removal of prosecution badge and at least 3 years jail.

Iris - first degree in obstruction of justice. So mostly likely 6 months to a year. Cost most likely $50000


Looking pretty good as far as Australian Court goes. But in the hypothetical situation that this WAS based on Australian court law...

Dee Vasquez - accidental killing or killing in self-defence. Most likely be acquitted of all charges. - Dee hid the fact that she pushed Hammer to his death from the court, she had also been blackmailing Hammer for some time (Even though Hammer too was technically a murderer). Also, she knew from a previous incident that those spikes were lethal, so it was barely an accident. Not to mention she had Mafia connections and asked the studio staff to hide any involvement she may have had. At any rate, if she was to be given complete accquital, then she'd have to have at least pleaded "Justified Self-Defense" from the start. I don't think she'll get off that easily after all that; but I'm pretty sure she'd get at least five years.

Mimi Miney -
Also should have charges placed upon her for Identity Fraud and Malpractice. But I think the sentence would remain about the same as what you've given, maybe a little more.

Acro -
Showed remorse and was also still in need of medical rehabillitation. May have been applicable for a suspended sentence?

Also, another charge I found...

Richard Wellington
- Hit Phoenix over the head with a fire hydrant >_>. I don't know what this counts for in the US, but in Australia that would give him extra punishment. That action could have potentially killed Phoenix (...Blunt Force Trauma), and it did cause temporary amnesia. So he would most likely be charged with intentionally causing grevious bodily harm. He also took Phoenix's phone which would lay a minor theft charge on him too. :beef:
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