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Are you frickin mad 4-1 was 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
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000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,0001. times beter than 2-1. 2-1 sucked 4-1
was the first intro case that actaly had a plot twist and was not clopleatly obvlious who the murder
was. We were 100% sure it was one person then it turned out to be the last
person we thought would be the murderer. I wiil say it again you are
compleatly mad!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh and the cases are not the whole game
there is music and other stuff thats important. Thats why i
said the game sucks even know there are two good cases.
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA ............................... HA, I officialy
proved to you that JFA SUCKS HANDS DOWN.


And with the grace and maturity of someone twice your age. And with the spelling and grammar skills of someone two times younger than you. How can you expect anyone to take your arguments seriously when you don't bother to punctuate your sentence properly, or spell words with their standard spellings?
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HA, I officialy proved to you that JFA SUCKS HANDS DOWN.


Ugh what's with the LONGPOST!

JFA doesn't suck but it is my least fave.
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JFA is my least favorite of the 4 games so far, but I don't think it's that bad.
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It has 2-2, which had a seemingly impossible goal to prove that Maya didn't kill the victim. Plus, Ini is just a really cool character that turned out to be decently tragic as well.

Sure, JFA didn't have the best court music(in my opinion anyway ^_^), but it has my favorite Reminescene themes(Samurai's Ballad and The Fire Carves Scars).
I agree though that JFA didn't have any huge connecting story across the 4 cases. The only possible connection is Edgeworth's change of character, but that was shown too small in comparison to the other 3. :yogi:
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thekalbie wrote:
you idiots


Says the person who can't capitalize the first word in their sentence, nor put a period at the end of it.
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thekalbie wrote:
you idiots



Butthurt much? Seriously, it's a game, and people like it...

Does it really, really matter if they like a part of the game more than you do? It's called an opinion, and I know you think yours is more important than everyone else's here, but it's just that: An opinion. Doesn't mean your wrong, but it also doesn't mean your right.

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Ignoring all the other butthurt in this thread...

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And Phoenix x Maya also started in JFA, even if the PxE fans will think the other way.
I'd like to see
- if Edgey wasn't as hot as he is, would you ship PxE
- and if a completely unimportant character was the hottie instead of Edgey, would you ship Phoenix with him?


Why do you assume that people ship PxE because it's "hot?" There's many reasons why I personally ship PxE, but the main one is the dynamic between the two. It's not because "OMG THEY'RE HOT. IT'D BE EVEN BETTER IF THEY WERE TOGETHER."

*sighs* And I really don't understand why you're even bringing shipping into it. You're ALWAYS trying to bring down PxE. I wish you'd just stop with your vendetta against it and let people ship who they want.
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Ignoring all the other butthurt in this thread...

Szabu wrote:
And Phoenix x Maya also started in JFA, even if the PxE fans will think the other way.
I'd like to see
- if Edgey wasn't as hot as he is, would you ship PxE
- and if a completely unimportant character was the hottie instead of Edgey, would you ship Phoenix with him?


Why do you assume that people ship PxE because it's "hot?" There's many reasons why I personally ship PxE, but the main one is the dynamic between the two. It's not because "OMG THEY'RE HOT. IT'D BE EVEN BETTER IF THEY WERE TOGETHER."

*sighs* And I really don't understand why you're even bringing shipping into it. You're ALWAYS trying to bring down PxE. I wish you'd just stop with your vendetta against it and let people ship who they want.


Agreed. Shipping anyone with anyone has nothing to do with this argument what so ever.
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Ignoring all of the incredibly ridiculous sspam this thread has generated, I'd like to get to the topic at hand.

No, the JFA cases aren't related to one another. Any references and connection between one case and the next are very minor.

However.

Each case, aside from 2-3, is connected to the cases in T&T in some way. 2-4 is connected to 3-2 in that it introduces Adrian. 2-1 introduces Maggey, who is important in 3-3. And most of all, 2-2 introduces Morgan and Pearl and that entire case becomes vital to the entire premise of 3-5 and its outcome.

So although the connections between each case are few and far between, you can't say they aren't important. Especially when looking at it as a part of a series.
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thekalbie wrote:
you idiots


God stop being arsey just because you have different opinions from everyone.


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thekalbie wrote:
you idiots


Says the person who can't capitalize the first word in their sentence, nor put a period at the end of it.


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Why do you assume that people ship PxE because it's "hot?" There's many reasons why I personally ship PxE, but the main one is the dynamic between the two. It's not because "OMG THEY'RE HOT. IT'D BE EVEN BETTER IF THEY WERE TOGETHER."


The fact they're hot is just a bonus tbh.... :edgy:

They have a history and fabulous banter.

They clearly love each other. ;^)

But yes, let people ship who they want. I don't like :phoenix: / :ayame: but I don't whinge about it. Anymore :april:


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And most of all, 2-2 introduces Morgan and Pearl and that entire case becomes vital to the entire premise of 3-5 and its outcome.


Yes! If Morgan wasn't introduced in JFA, by T&T we'd be like "who the eff is she" and wouldn't care less.... sort of.

Well we WOULD care but we wouldn't know what was going on. *making no sense* :payne:
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I agree with everything thus said.

also, on the topic of "butthurt", I seriously think it's simply a troll, and I'll leave it at that.
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crouton wrote:
Ignoring all the other butthurt in this thread...

Szabu wrote:
And Phoenix x Maya also started in JFA, even if the PxE fans will think the other way.
I'd like to see
- if Edgey wasn't as hot as he is, would you ship PxE
- and if a completely unimportant character was the hottie instead of Edgey, would you ship Phoenix with him?


Why do you assume that people ship PxE because it's "hot?" There's many reasons why I personally ship PxE, but the main one is the dynamic between the two. It's not because "OMG THEY'RE HOT. IT'D BE EVEN BETTER IF THEY WERE TOGETHER."

*sighs* And I really don't understand why you're even bringing shipping into it. You're ALWAYS trying to bring down PxE. I wish you'd just stop with your vendetta against it and let people ship who they want.


Sorry, I got a little carried away.
I still don't understand PxE, but that's not the point here. The point was that Phoenix and Maya's dynamic (whether you consider it romantic or not) got to a new level in JFA, and that's a great thing.
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I don't hate JFA it's my least fave, they are all great games but I don' think I would choose JFA as my top favourite though I do think it's there because it helps build things up and introdue us to the phchlock system, it helped Phoenix build up a bigger character instead of going straight into things so I don't think it's a bad game at all ^_~
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its just a bad game because there is no connections. like in 3-5 you know its all been building up to that but you don't get the same feeling in 2-4.
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There are connections if you really look for them, sometimes indirect but they're there. Besides I would assume that in real life that the cases your involved in being connected would be a rare occurance. It's not a bad game, if a small reason will do to say something's bad then I can go after anything and say it's a bad work.
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There are connections if you really look for them, sometimes indirect but they're there. Besides I would assume that in real life that the cases your involved in being connected would be a rare occurance. It's not a bad game, if a small reason will do to say something's bad then I can go after anything and say it's a bad work.


Well, if you have seen how this poster has been going about his arguement, it is safe to say that it's just a troll.

And I'm not helping much either.

JFA will always be my 3rd favorite, fourth being Apollo, but then again it has that little spot in my game library due to it being the first PW game I ever played.
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How is GS 2 better than GS 4 . Gs4 is so much better. Oh and just because i really dislike it does not mean it is the worst game i own. Believe me i own a few horrible games.
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Eh, JFA's my personal favourite of the games, but everyone has their own opinion. ^^

I guess I didn't notice the no connections thing, it was the first game I played.
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I cant beleve how many people are saying JFA was there first pw game.
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JFA was my first game too. XD Also a reason it's one of my favorites.

But really, so what if the cases don't relate to each other much? What's so bad about that? When looking at it from the perspective of it being a series, the disconnections aren't that bad. Most of the cases start building for the third game. None of the AA games are intended to be stand-alone, except perhaps Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney, so I don't really see the point of judging the differences between the cases for JFA since it's meant to be considered a part of the series as a whole.
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In my opinion, the 'climax', the 'main' of JFA was 2-2, used to set up pretty much all of T&T, and 2-4, which was a great case. Yes, none of the cases were connected, I think that was the point. AA had everything connected because they had to put everything in one game, they never expected AA to become a series. In T&T, that was Phoenix's final game, they had to tie up all the loose ends and use them as plot devices to create one of greatest endings of all time. And JFA was used as a 'prologue', almost, to introduce characters such as Pearl and Morgan, create more background with Maya, and to set up Edgeworth's role in T&T. JFA also had 2-4, which introduced a great moral predicament to Phoenix, and it was great stepping stone for him, personally, I believe, as a defense attorney, as
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he was given his first guilty, and he was fine with it- it was more so the verdict he wanted, and I think it was that case that decided Phoenix's 'destiny'- if he was able to get away with the Not Guilty, than he could have ended up just like Kristoph- doing anything to get his verdict.


So, JFA didn't have to be connected. It didn't matter.
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In my opinion, the 'climax', the 'main' of JFA was 2-2, used to set up pretty much all of T&T, and 2-4, which was a great case. Yes, none of the cases were connected, I think that was the point. AA had everything connected because they had to put everything in one game, they never expected AA to become a series. In T&T, that was Phoenix's final game, they had to tie up all the loose ends and use them as plot devices to create one of greatest endings of all time. And JFA was used as a 'prologue', almost, to introduce characters such as Pearl and Morgan, create more background with Maya, and to set up Edgeworth's role in T&T. JFA also had 2-4, which introduced a great moral predicament to Phoenix, and it was great stepping stone for him, personally, I believe, as a defense attorney, as
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he was given his first guilty, and he was fine with it- it was more so the verdict he wanted, and I think it was that case that decided Phoenix's 'destiny'- if he was able to get away with the Not Guilty, than he could have ended up just like Kristoph- doing anything to get his verdict.


So, JFA didn't have to be connected. It didn't matter.


Even with that strong, intellectual, deep arguement, thekalbie is just going to baw and troll some more.

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I quite enjoyed JFA. For most people, arranging all the the PW games JFA is probably the last one . Though I do enjoy all the PW games. I would hope some of us handle our opinions with some maturity here and correct grammar.

Just because there aren't a great amny connections doesn't mean it's the worst game or really bad. I like the cases, music, and characters. I think a lot of the characters are unique.
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I agree it builds up to GS3 and now understand your point of view. Never the less I think they could of prepared for GS3 and have some connection in the cases. That was probably the purpose of 2-4 to have some excitement in a not so exiting game. But still they could have done better *cough * *cough * 2-3 *cough * *cough *
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It's actually very cool, when all the cases from 2-1 to 3-3 are not closely connected, and then the grand finale (3-5, with a prologue, called 3-4) ties them all together.
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Here's an explanation as to why JFA was our first game. This counts for me anyway:

The first game was just too expensive to buy/bid for on Ebay :D
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Doesn't that say something about JFA, though? If it's considerably cheaper than the first game, it must be valued a lot less. And, the only reason things are valued less than other things is because people don't like them as much. On eBay, at least. In stores, there's also the supply/demand factor, but on eBay it's different.
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Doesn't that say something about JFA, though? If it's considerably cheaper than the first game, it must be valued a lot less. And, the only reason things are valued less than other things is because people don't like them as much. On eBay, at least. In stores, there's also the supply/demand factor, but on eBay it's different.


No, the quality and price aren't connected.
Maybe there are more existing copies of JFA, who knows?
Maybe it was cheaper in stores in the first place. After all, it's less of a new game, so at least in Japan, it must be cheaper, and since the JP version also has English, it can affect the English prices too.
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My argument is about purchasing JFA off of eBay. On eBay, people don't sell shit for high pri-- okay, nevermind. On eBay, people don't buy shit for high pri-- okay, nevermind.

What I'm trying to say is that if JFA is being sold at a cheap price by one person (not a for-profit business) on eBay, while PW1 is more expensive on eBay, then the quality of JFA can't be that good compared to PW1. It's simple logic. If the person selling JFA could get away with selling it at the same price as PW1, why wouldn't they do it? Because they can't get away with it.
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Wait, isn't PW1 more expensive than the other games because there aren't as many of them? Didn't Capcom's American company doubt that Ace Attorney would sell and so they didn't release many? But then the demand overpowered the demand. I walk through video game stores and as time goes by, Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney games are harder and harder to find, though I see the other games on the shelves. I think since they knew the first game was sucessful, they released a greater amount of the sequels.

So, unless I'm going about this all the wrong way, I think it's more about the quantity than the quality that makes the game more expensive. And aren't the original games in a series usually worth more anyway?
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EBAY.

Selling personal possessions on eBay is different than selling games at a business.
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The low quantity does make the games cheaper, you can find a lot of crappy games for insanely expensive (best example: the CD-i games).

But PW1 was re-released, after Capcom saw the greater demand.

I think it more has to do with the fact that sequels generally don't do as well as originals, because a neutral player tries out the first one, but not the sequel, so the sequel will only be played by those who liked the original.
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That's strange actually i found GS1 easily at a cheap price (gamestop) i could not find Gs3 it took me 2 months.
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Maybe I should just stop talking. It's not like you're reading what I said, anyways.
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Sorry, GP. :( I've never used eBay...
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Neither have I, but I do know eBay is just an online auction. People sell things that they own. They don't order shipments of stuff just to sell on eBay, because that would result in a financial disaster. Therefore, the only reason JFA would be cheaper on eBay than PW1 would be because it's not valued as much as PW1 is. And it's not valued as much because the majority agrees that it's a worse game. See the logic?
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I've seen this happen before.

ex. Final Fantasy X selling for five more dollars then X2 at game stop (although I found the latter to be more enjoyable)

it's also marketing strategy and etc.
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Woop, late to the party as always.

LuminousXMI wrote:
Besides I would assume that in real life that the cases your involved in being connected would be a rare occurance.


This is my opinion exactly. I've said this before but I suppose it bears repeating in this topic.

The trilogy was Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney, not Phoenix Wright: Guy Who Cleans Up After the Feys. Although, yes, Phoenix is involved in the Fey storyline, and it's the major arc of the series, it would be preposterous to think that every single case that Phoenix took as a defense attorney had some relation to the Fey storyline. Again, even if they cut out these "filler" cases and only implied them, that would be only telling the story of the Feys from the perspective of a guy who happens to be there and a defense attorney.

Oh yes. And Edgey-wedgey. I guess he's also one of the recurring themes. Well, the above argument applies there too.

EDIT> I forgot to answer the question in the first post. Yes, I noticed that the cases weren't connected. My response?

So what?
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Lets see

2-1 Nick has the same dream later
2-2 Morgan becomes an important part in T&T but I guess not really for JFA.
2-3 Berry Big Circus has a part to play in 2-4
and 2-4 virtually unites at east one character from each of the previous cases of both JFA and AA.
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Oh yes, that dream.
I loved it how it was a joke in 2-1 and how it became serious in 2-4.
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