This is more so just tied in to the new judge I brought up in my suggestion on the previous page. It's a list of conversations when Phoenix or Apollo presents the wrong evidence in the cases Judge Razum oversees. The life bar would determine what conversation occurs. If this doesn't belong here, I'll get rid of it.




Phoenix: OBJECTION! Your Honor, the witness’s statement contradicts this evidence!
Judge: I don’t see the contradiction. What about you, Mr. Edgeworth?
Edgeworth: I think it’s the defense’s logic that is contradictory.
Judge: Well put. Mr. Wright, if there really is a contradiction, please explain it to us.
Phoenix: Um… it’s contradictory because… uh…
Judge: It appears we all think the same thing, Mr. Wright: the statement does not contradict that evidence. Am I right?
Phoenix [sweating]: Y-yes, Your Honor… You’re right.
Judge: At least we agree on that. Objection overruled. [penalty] I would have given you a much bigger penalty than this one if you kept lying.
Phoenix: (Ugh. I must be on the wrong track…)


Phoenix: OBJECTION! Your Honor, what do you think about the witness’s statement?
Judge: I think nothing of it.
Edgeworth: OBJECTION! Your Honor, what do you think of Mr. Wright’s bluff?
Phoenix [sweating]: (How’d he know I was bluffing? Oh… Right… He’s Edgeworth.)
Judge: I think Mr. Wright should think before raising his voice. Now, Mr. Wright, do you have anything to say about the statement, or do you admit you were bluffing?
Phoenix: Uh… I was bluffing, Your Honor. Sorry.
Judge: Well, at least you’re smart enough to know you were stupid. But I’m still going to penalize you for wasting the court’s time. Objection overruled. [penalty]
Phoenix: (Boy do I miss the usual judge…)


Phoenix: OBJECTION! The witness’s statement is clearly faulty, Your Honor!
Judge: Please point out the fault, then, because I don’t see it.
Phoenix: Y-you don’t?
Judge: It appears the faulty statement was yours, Mr. Wright.
Edgeworth: I couldn’t have said it better myself, Your Honor.
Phoenix [sweating]: Sorry, Your Honor…
Judge: You should be apologizing to your client, too. She’s the one most threatened by your incompetence. Objection overruled. [penalty]
Phoenix: (So much for bluffing…)


Phoenix: OBJECTION! This evidence clearly reveals the contradiction in that statement, Your Honor!
Judge: I see no relation, Mr. Wright. Please tell me what the connection is.
Phoenix: Uh… I was kind of hoping you’d find it…
Judge [annoyed]: Mr. Wright, do you know how much it hurts to get hit on the head by my gavel?
Phoenix [sweating]: Huh?
Judge: The next time you make an unsubstantiated claim like that, you will find out. Objection overruled. [penalty]
Edgeworth: Consider yourself lucky you’re not facing Franziska, Mr. Wright.
Phoenix: (This guy and Franziska… now there’s a scary thought…)


Phoenix: OBJECTION! Your Honor, there’s a huge problem with what the witness just said, and this evidence proves it!
Judge [fed up]: … [throws gavel]
Phoenix: [gets hit on the head by the judge’s gavel] Gah! [screen goes black]
*thud*
Judge: Objection overruled. [penalty] The defense is hereby held in contempt of court. Bailiff, please hand me my gavel and remove Mr. Wright from my courtroom.
Phoenix: (Jessica was forced to represent herself. Needless to say, she was found guilty.)
GAME OVER




Apollo: OBJECTION! Your Honor! That statement contradicts the evidence!
Judge: Please explain how.
Apollo [sweating]: Huh?
Judge: I see no contradiction, so you’ll have show it to me.
Apollo: Uh… the contradiction is… um…
Judge: Mr. Gavin, do you see any contradiction?
Klavier: Nein, Herr Judge.
Judge: Mr. Justice, do you still claim there’s a problem?
Apollo: No, Your Honor.
Judge: Very well. Objection overruled. [penalty] Don’t try my patience, Mr. Justice; incompetent attorneys robbed me of most of it long ago.
Apollo: (That didn’t go so well…)


Apollo: OBJECTION! Your Honor! What do you think about the witness’s statement?
Judge: What’s important is what you thought. Do you see a problem with it?
Apollo [sweating]: Not at all.
Judge: I’m glad we agree. I’m still going to penalize you for wasting the court’s time, though. Objection overruled. [penalty] I’d rather listen to Mr. Gavin’s idea of music than your idea of logic, Mr. Justice.
Apollo: (At least we agree on his music...)


Apollo: OBJECTION!
Judge: HOLD IT! Mr. Justice, do you really have something important to say, or did you just feel like hurting my ears?
Klavier: I’m always willing to give the defense voice lessons if you want, Herr Judge.
Judge: There’s no need for that, Mr. Gavin. The problem is not the voice, but the reason why it was raised.
Apollo [sweating]: …Sorry, Your Honor.
Judge: Objection overruled. [penalty] I’m beginning to think your client is wasting his money.
Apollo: (And I’m beginning to think I’m wasting my voice…)


Apollo: OBJECTION! This evidence clearly reveals a contradiction in that statement, Your Honor!
Judge: If the revelation is so clear, why don’t I see it?
Apollo: Y-you really don’t see it?
Judge: I really don’t see it. Do you, Mr. Gavin?
Klavier: I see a contradiction, but it’s in Herr Forehead’s logic.
Judge: Agreed. Mr. Justice, do you really see a contradiction?
Apollo [sweating]: Uh…
Judge [annoyed]: It appears Mr. Gavin was right. Objection overruled. [penalty] The next time you make an unsubstantiated statement, you’ll be escorted out of this courtroom with a lump on your head.
Apollo: (This guy is really scaring me…)


Apollo: OBJECTION! There’s a glaring contradiction between this evidence and the witness’s statement!
Judge [fed up]: … [throws gavel]
Apollo: [gets hit on the head by the judge’s gavel] Ah! [screen goes black]
*thud*
Judge: Objection overruled. [penalty] The defense is hereby held in contempt of court. Bailiff, please retrieve my gavel for me and remove Mr. Justice from my courtroom.
Apollo: (Mr. Kamil was forced to represent himself. By the time I regained consciousness, he had already been found guilty.)
GAME OVER

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I always wished they changed the wrong evidence to match the prosecutor in the case.

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I really like "Mock Turnabout" and "Legendary Turnabout"/ "Mock Turnabout" would make a good tutorial.

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Not another Phoenix Revival... guys, it's APOLLO now. Not Another Phoenix game. APOLLO. I'm also not to interested in the mock trial idea. It's meant to be intense in a way.

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Yeah but isnt the part where it becomes a real trial intense?
I agree it should really be Apollo's game though (though I have had horrible thoughts they're getting rid of Apollo when I read that European interview).

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Pffft I'd love for something similar to the premise of Mock Turnabout for a tutorial case. It seems pretty hilarious.

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I have two ideas.

1. My GS5 cases *= made up by me:
-The Turned Turnabout
-The Unnamed Turnabout
-Turnabout Timpani
-Turnabout AI-16
-The Past, Turned About
-Combinative Turnabout

There are spoilers for ALL GAMES.



They're not THAT good. But oh well.

2. GS5 has a bunch of boring flashback cases. (Really, they're boring. Grossberg vs. Payne. Young Judge. Etc. DL-6 to SL-9 time. With boring people like and .

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I like the use of AI-16, which I felt was going to be set up in a later game.

The only reason Phoenix is taking another case is:
a) to give Apollo some development. After all, he's being rejected under his reputation of the "Cursed Attorney". 90% of the game focuses on Apollo, but at the same time giving some variety as to break the monotomy of repetition.

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hmm that would be a great idea. i especially like the maya case. i wanna see her and phoenix as a team again. omg miles edgeworth is awesome. best prosecutor lol. i loved playing as him in GS3

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I wanna see a Skye detective agency with Ema and Lana Skye. Lana said she would come back so I would love to see her return.

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In my opinion, if Nick becomes a lawyer, it'd be kinda neat to see them have a kind of 2 route plot to it, a la Shadow the Hedgehog- You choose who gets what case, and that influences the plot subtly, changing slightly how things unfold later.

Lana and the 1-5 cast being reinstated at their respective jobs would make it for me. I mean, EMa is the only Phoenix-arc character in AJ, so it would make sense to more strongly tie AJ to the PW timeline by reinstating the 1-5 cast. They had some great character development- showing their true colors towards the end. 1-5 had singularly the most character development of a single case ever (not including Edgeworth in 2-4, he had a year in Germany to mull over all the crap he was mulling over).

And having Phoenix subtly change the plot... that would work, if Apollo was the main. I'm sorry, but I'm not giving up the 'Phoenix returns' idea.

I would have Phoenix have the same role as he was in AJ, just being at the office or in the hospital, but in the last case, someone prolific from the PW 1-5 cast is murdered, and it forces him into action (a la Maya or Ema with badass, totally uber powerful lawyer skills). This also forces him to reconnect with all the other 'old' cast people. Because in a way, hobohodo is like the 1-5 cast, bitter, changed,wants to find out the truth, etc. He found the truth and cleared his name. So it'll be interesting to see his mindset in the next game, hopefully coupled with the 1-5 cast's mindset after the clearing of SL-9.


Actually, I wanna see this kind of game- (in spoilers to save space- and there are some spoilers)



I came up with this during English class. I know this won't happen, but it would be so awesome if it did...

Wow... long rant...

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LOL that sounds more like the terminator to me but still sounds pretty cool!

It'll never happen though lol.

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I have no ideas of what it might be. I can't even coem up with an idea. I'm so ashamed

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If GS4's theme was that evidence can be faked and as such it is not as absolute as Kristoph touted it to be... could it be that GS5's theme is that a Jury can be bought? And as such, is not as great a solution as Phoenix touts it to be?

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That's a very interesting idea. I thought one of GS4/AJ's themes was that

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Since when? Any examples?

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Well,

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Also

Victims.


Clients.

"Kristoph did it"

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I don't really care what's in the new game, just as least Phoenix as possible. Seriously, I found Phoenix to be extremely annoying during AJ, he knew way more than he was letting on and took the limeline off Apollo. Apollo just became a background character who allowed Phoenix to confess his plans. How Phoenix turned from clueless attorney to shady person who irritates me I'll never know.

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I'm sure someone mentioned this one in the previous 36 pages but I'd love an all Mia game set between 3-1 and 1-1. In the first case, you could have Robert Hammond as your co-counsel and then point at the screen when he's on and say "LAWL, you die!" Actually, maybe you could have a whole bunch of the victims from GS1-3 show up as witnesses. That's probably too much. But you could have Lana and Neil Marshall as prosecutors, young(er) Maya, Mia establishing her own firm... if only.

With Legal Assistant Phoenix as your sidekick! He could help investigate and stuff.

I'm still holding out hope that in GS5, Apollo's father will turn out to be Gant.

I want a game with as little Apollo as possible.

Okay, from a serious viewpoint, I want a game with one evil boss character that you have to fight 'against' several times. Like... Trucy!!! If anyone read my previous post, which I'm sure they didn't. It's like...

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I think that, if GS5 will have a storyline tying everything together, then it will probably be either the backstory of Apollo, or exploring what happened to the Fey family. Perhaps even a combination of the two. Personally, i'm hoping that we get Apollo's backstory in GS5, and perhaps get the Fey's in GS6.
Also, the way that I think GS5's prosecutors should be lined up is this:
Case 1: Winston Payne
Case 2: New main prosecutor
Case 3: Klavier Gavin (but somehow involves the main prosecutor)
Case 4: New main prosecutor
Case 5: Either new prosecutor, or Lana Skye. Or someone else from PW-era gameplay.

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Yeah... Lana should at least be the final prosecutor, if not the main prosecutor. Seriously, AJ needs to start tying in Phoenix characters, or it'll feel even more like an alternate universe/split timeline thing. Which I really hope it is,because I miss Phoenix.

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There's no need for any PW characters to be in AJ, as their stories all tied up. I've pointed this out a thousand timezs. -_-

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^^
This.

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That's true, no other character needs to return, except for Phoenix Wright himself.

We got Ema to fill in for Gumshoe, Trucy the assistant, Klavier... Not really anything like Edgeworth from AA, Phoenix as the mentor... etc...

The problem is really in their development, Apollo is somewhat... Lacking, every other character did the talking.

I'd also like if the game isn't so damn linear, different paths (win or lose) will add a new twist to it.

Maybe even online play, or Prosecutor's perspective?

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They aren't tied up, as their 3-5 endings are clearly not applicable anymore and contradicted by GS4. Where's Maya? (In 3-5 credits, she explicitly states she's going to continue as Phoenix's legal assistant and Kurain Master.) Where's Edgeworth? Forget 7 years, they don't appear in the 'flashback trial' and '7 years earlier' either.

You can just as easily say there's no reason for Apollo to appear [or protagonise] in GS5, as his story was tied up at the end of GS4. Seriously, is he really required? 'Oh I have a mother and sister I don't know about which was suddenly tacked on the end'. All the interesting stuff re: Gramarye inheritance is happening with Trucy anyway. They don't have to reveal his father, they might consider him irrelevant to the plot like Phoenix's father.

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I agree with icer.

Um... I would like a final case where Maya visits Nick and something happens (kinda like in 2-2) and Ema is accused and since Klavier or the new prosecutor doesn't want to prosecute her, another (new) prosecutor appears. Lana also appears as the case's main detective (she says at the end of 1-5 that she's going to become an investigator). Thoughts on my idea?

Wocky, Vera and Lamiroir should also return.

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Phoenix doesn't drag Maya to every single fuckin' case he takes. Nor is Edgeworth the prosecutor of every case. Use your imagination. Maybe Maya was too busy training, and is over at Kurain. Maybe she broke up with Phoenix. Phoenix maybe didn't want to see her after being disbarred, worried that she might not believe him. Just because you can't see something, doesn't mean it's not there.



You can just as easily say there's no reason for Phoenix to appear [or protagonise] in GS5, as his story was tied up at the end of GS3. Seriously, is he really required? 'Oh nobody knows where Maya is except me'. All the interesting stuff re: everything that's happened has happened.. They don't have to reveal what the other characters, they'll probably consider them irrelevent to the plot.

...sorry about that. Anyway, I couldn't care less about Apollo's father. There are other questions unanswered. How did Thalassa end up in Borginia? Why did Machi need money? Etc. etc. I, myself, think these aren't that relevent and are unneeded, but so is the rest of the PW cast.

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't mind a cameo of one from PW Cast. Okay, maybe I would, but I won't be complaining. It's just how the people act to something trivial such as the lack of them which irritates me.

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I would love if the prosecutor was a woman later revealed to be Apollos twin sister Artemis. I want her to be arrogant and fierce and have a little too much temper and play mindgames with Apollo to make him think differently about his client. Also, she should be wearing a light blue dress and have black hair in a bun on her head. And she would know that she was related to Apollo and she would hate him for it because *insert angsty story here*.

The first case would be the return of Takita as the accused because he still hasn't gotten completely rid of his bad gangster-wannabe habit. Of course the killer would be someone else, though I don't know who yet XD

The second case would be something random and Phoenix mentioning that two of his friends will come visit them next month. You won't be able to talk to him during this case, except in the beginning (before you find out about the crime), before the trial starts and when it ends. He won't have any relation to the case. Trucy will sometimes have to go because of her new carreer as Trucy Gramarye and won't be able to help you as much. Instead, Ema will help you because she doesn't like Artemis, but she will be more subtle in helping, seeing as Artemis can and will get her fired if it's discovered that she helps the defense.

The third case would be Maya and Pearl finally finding the time to visit Phoenix to go to some kind of parade with him, Trucy and Apollo. During the parade, Maya and Pearl will go to buy a drink or something and not return, the others will get a bit anxious and go back to find Maya dead and Pearl gone. Pearl is accused of murdering her cousin even though the prosecution wouldn't be able to find any motive. The witness will be Vera, who, after becoming more outgoing in the last year, happened to be at the parade and drew a sketch of Pearl "killing Maya". Vera will first claim that the sketch was what she saw, but then later, after a lot of pressing and perceiving, she will reveal that she was threatened into drawing the skecth differently than the real scene. You will then use some science to find out what she originally drew and Pearl will channel Maya, but only long enough for Maya to tell who killed her, not how or why. XD

In the fourth case, Pearl would go back to Kurain, stressed and depressed because she is going to be the new Master and stuff and Phoenix would go with her for a short period of time to comfort her and visit Iris, who he hsn't seen in eight years. He will also leave the Magatama behind... 8D In this case, the family background of Artemis will be exposed and you will have to do a lot of psyche-unlocking on Thalassa and Valant especially (since they knew Apollo had a twin) and on Artemis herself. She will be charged with murder of someone related to this.

Then there will be a fifth case which will be epic and connect the murder of Maya to Artemis and the Gramaryes SOMEHOW. Don't ask how XD

Also, Miles Edgeworth will be mentioned to be studying with Franziska in Germany at some point, but he won't be involved in any of the cases and he won't have a cameo.

and that is how GS5 will be in my head *has written too much* 8D;
I believe Maya's story needs to be tied up, because I would like SOME reason why she isn't with Phoenix and is only mentioned once through the game, not even with her name. Other than that, I would love if the game focuses on Thalassa, Valant and Apollo and not on Nick this time.

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When you play three excellent games featuring excellent characters you come to care about who suddenly get their stories hacksawed to pieces in the fourth game for reasons beyond anyone's control at this point in time, why do you find it trivial that people are bothered?

What bothers me is that people keep going on about how Phoenix "stole the limelight away from Apollo". As far as I'm concerned, Apollo ran away everytime the limelight tried to hit him. As he himself says while Klavier is busy carving up Kristoph at the end of 4-4... "I can't think of anything to say right now"...

To quote Dramatica XIV2,




I'm not talking about loose ends 3-5 and stuff, that all ended moderately well (except for Godot's sentence...). AJ had a new protagonist (which wouldn't have been that bad if he hadn't been so intimidated and pathetic all the time), but Maya, Edgeworth, Iris, and Pearl seemed to simply 'disappear', were hardly ever mentioned, and it seemed like Phoenix had moved to Canada or something (no offense to Canadiens, just choosing a spot to make for a completely random new location).

And, as far as we know, Maya does go with Phoenix for every single fucking case except for the flashback case. Even when Maya left for training, he only took one case, and that was Rise from the Ashes. And he had Ema, the only reason he took that case was because the siblings were similar to Maya and Mia. He didn't take any other cases between the time Maya was training. MAybe if they left even one little snippet of a conversation about how Maya was training or something it would have been better. But Gumshoe didn't mention Maya's absence at all, and that seems strange. And the MASON system investigation didn't have any recurring PW cast people either- only people from 1-5, like FRIGGIN MIKE MEEKINS.

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Erm, to quote who now?

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This. And Gumshoe acted way OOC at the 'flashback trial'. GS4's flashbacks were inconsistent with 3-5's canon ending for Maya, where she was to keep being Phoenix's assistant, and Kurain Master. When she's absent in 1-5 trial, Phoenix even mentions something about how it's the first time he's having a trial without a Fey helping but he'll do his best or whatever. In GS4 - well, 'unreturned' characters aren't even 'allowed' to be referred to by name! Even Dr Hotti requires a name change! Damnatio memoriae.

[...in fact that would have made a much better game. Gant could have risen again and taken over the justice system, Maya and Edgeworth had been vapourised into unpersons, explaining their otherwise inexplicable absence and direct reference 'history' erasure, Apollo is groomed by Kristoph to follow in his footsteps, except Phoenix rescues him and... :)]

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I speculate that Kristoph will make an epic reappearance in the final case, this time as a proper dastardly no-good antagonist.

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