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Nurio wrote:
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1. Rise From The Ashes: I played this without a walkthrough so I had a really difficult time with it. Plus it was really hard with a walkthrough

Now I'm just wondering here, but how do you know it was really hard with a walkthrough if you didn't use one?


I played it with the walkthrough afterwards and I still had a hard time with it.
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xXBloodstainedLieXx wrote:
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xXBloodstainedLieXx wrote:
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1. Rise From The Ashes: I played this without a walkthrough so I had a really difficult time with it. Plus it was really hard with a walkthrough

Now I'm just wondering here, but how do you know it was really hard with a walkthrough if you didn't use one?


I played it with the walkthrough afterwards and I still had a hard time with it.

How did you manage that?
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I'll have you all know that I print out the walkthroughs from gamefaqs or somewhere similar whenever I have the chance. I ended up printing out the walkthrough and I still had a hard time getting through the entire case with the walkthrough. How? Because even though I have a walkthrough with me, I still have a hard time following through with the walkthrough. It basically was constant guessing the entire time I played it the first time. The second time, I gave myself headaches looking back and forth between the walkthrough and my DS screen constantly over and over and over again.
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I'd say 1-5. Every player not using a walkthrough must have been stuck at least at some point.
Still, what's so difficult with Angel's testimony? I don't remember...
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I'd say 1-5. Every player not using a walkthrough must have been stuck at least at some point.
Still, what's so difficult with Angel's testimony? I don't remember...


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I think it was the fact that after going through and pressing all of the statements, you had to go back and press something again. Whenever you have to press something twice or whatever always screws things up for me. ^_^;;

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For me the hardest cases were 1-5, 2-4, and 3-5. The longer the trial the harder it is.
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Generally speaking, there are two ways a case can be hard:

1) What you need to do or present is obscure. There are surprisingly few cases of this; the puzzle design in the AA series is stellar. In the entire first game, I can only think of two issues:

* Getting an ultra-rare Steel Samurai trading card; that wasn't hinted at at all.

Spoiler: 1-5
Meekins. Detention Center. ID card.


This popped up a bit more in game 2, but not much. It almost never happens in court, with the exception of that bit about

Spoiler: 2-4
... handwriting analysis on the note.


The "proving the crime wasn't premeditated" bit in 1-5 was also a stretch.

Spoiler: 1-5
Surely she could have been trying to frame Edgeworth, and have been caught in the act? The choice of weapon proves nothing, and the gloves stand.


But when it comes to presenting evidence to people in investigations? Man, what a pain that can be.

2) What you need to do or say is clear, but the game is overly picky about how you do or say it.

This is painfully common in 1-5, and I think is the reason for the difficulty.

Spoiler: 1-5
It's obvious, for example, that there's a connection between the "two" murders, but the structure of Damon Gant's first testimony is like spaghetti. You practically have to present a piece of evidence, then press a statement, then press an earlier statement, and finally press a later statement in order to get across something that's obvious before you press anything. That is to say, that SL-9 is a case designation (we know this from 1-4), that the note references SL-9, and that the knife pretty obviously came from the police station, where the 'other murder' happened.

Very frustrating.

Angel's testimony has this same issue, but the structure of pressing's a bit more gentle. The only catch is that the floor plan is vague about the path she'd need to take between the SECURITY station and lot B. Prior to the game's explanation, it seems impossible that she could have been in the station, since the photo was taken from the other side of the chain-link fence. This makes it easy to eliminate the correct solution.

The worst case of fake difficulty in 1-5 is the urn rotation. Enough said.


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That's not to say that all the difficulty in 1-5 was fake. The Big Sneaky Trap was a nasty one, and I fell for it because I have Edgeworthian ideals when it comes to:

Spoiler: 1-5
Not hiding evidence. I mean, come on, I didn't have to wait to present evidence in the other cases! And I was convinced that I'd already fulfilled the requirements of evidence law.


But that wasn't too far into the trial segment, so it wasn't too bad. The weird convolutedness of the murder, and the lack of common sense shown by the murderer, all made 1-5 tough, too. But for genuine difficulty, 2-3 takes the cake. Every step of logic makes sense in the Berry Big Circus context, where everything is ridiculous, but ridiculous logic isn't exactly easy to follow. It's there, but it's not easy to follow.
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Spoiler: 3-5
Am I the only one that had difficulty breaking :pearl: and didn't get the part where it said "Gravely roast?". I admit that was one part that took me a good while to get. I feel ashamed that I didn't get this easily ;-;.


Spoiler: 1-5
I swear if I have to do anything that resembles the Blue Badger, I swear this is the next thing I'll be doing --> :headbang:.


Spoiler: 2-4
When trying to figure out if :mattphone: really was the one that hired :shelly: to do the killing. I feel :bellboy: after finding out it was the card I had to present ;-;.


Spoiler: 1-3
Did :devasque: have a motive or not when she killed Hammer? that is a part that really confused me (and killed me quite a few times).


Spoiler: 2-3
The first part was when you are asked who :moe: really saw when the ringmaster was killed. And the part where you had to cross-examine :moe: for the last time (I died quite a few times there).


Spoiler: 2-2
Trying to find out :pearly:'s alibi was annoyed me..... and trying to figure out what was wrong with the picture that had the contridiction of :miamaya:.


Spoiler: 3-1
how did :chimani: get the poison that put :javado: in a coma? I can't believe it was so obvious that it was gotten from Doug. It's always the simplest things that got me :larry:


Spoiler: 4-4
Perceving :egg: was tricky. took me a while to understood where I was going wrong (before I used a walkthrough to find out thr answer). And trying to break :varan: locks annoyed me quite insanly. How was I suppose to know that I were to present Thalassa's profile? Or was it the locket that held her picture in it? :sadshoe:.


Spoiler: 3-3
I admit it, trying to break :sadshoe:'s psyche-lock made me feel real annoyed. How was I suppose to konw that you needed to show that lottery thingy? And trying to prove that :uramidn: was related to the cadverani (or whatever way you spell it), that was kinda hard as well :O.


^Guess I kinda went out of hand.... but these are the things I always found hard
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Spoiler: 3-3
I admit it, trying to break :sadshoe:'s psyche-lock made me feel real annoyed. How was I suppose to konw that you needed to show that lottery thingy? And trying to prove that :uramidn: was related to the cadverani (or whatever way you spell it), that was kinda hard as well :O.


^Guess I kinda went out of hand.... but these are the things I always found hard


I actually spoiled the psyche lock for myself online before I ended up doing the case and I found it surprising that the psyche lock was *cough*seriously short*cough* :yuusaku:
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I've only played the first game, so i'd have to say that 1-4 was the hardest i've played, becuase I tried to go walkthroughless with it. I failed.
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I found 1-5 hard. However, we had three people crowded around one DS, and we found it a lot easier because of it. Each of us noticed one thing in the video that no-one else did. (I noticed the light was already switched on, another of us noticed the peice of cloth wasn't always there, the third of us figured out why he had to stash the coat).
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Aside from 1-5, I also found 3-5 to be very hard, especially the part where you cross-examine Bikini and Laurice.
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i have to agree that 1-5 is freaking hard. there are a lot of times when they dont update the court record. and if i stop playing for a few days, im totally boned when i have to remember stuff. or sometimes, it can seem that one or more pieces of evidence can fit as an objection to more then 1 statement. then i feel like this :coffee:

as with a lot of cases in JFA/GS2. you need to press the entire testimony 2 times to get a new statement to object to.

after you realize that the prosecution is setting a trap for [and i mean before :phoenix: / :odoroki: can realize it] it sucks having to walk into it.
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