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How exactly can Franziska be a prosecuter when she was 13? Is it even possible? (I haven't played JFA)
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A lot of stuff that happens in Phoenix Wright isn't possible. That's kinda what makes it funny.
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This is really for Kurain Village (GS2 Forums).

But anyway, she was trained by Manfred in Germany and had a perfect guilty record until she set foot in California. Wouldn't think about it TOO much...
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Well, Edgy becomes a prosecutor at 20 and Klavier at 17.

She had to become one at 13 to make it fit in with the storyline. And Manfred probably started training her when she was 5 years weeks old.

Plus she became a prosecutor in Europe, which is more "progressive" and stuff in the PW universe (in the Japanese version, this "progressive" country was America)
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Just for the record: It's of course not REALLY possible to become a prosecutor in Germany at the age of 13.
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A couple of years back, some 10 year old entered University 0_o. So maybe it's possible?

Here is the article:
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/20 ... artner=RSS
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In my head-canon, she were actually not allowed to become a prosecutor at that age but nobody had the guts to tell her that because of her whip and because she was the daughter of Manfred. XD

Plus, it's fiction, so it doesn't have to be completely realistic.
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Honestly, I couldn't believe it, either. Disregard the fact that Manfred DID train her to be a prosecutor, but did she take the bar exams? Did she even study law?

I can't believe I didn't think about this at all. Not until I saw this topic, anyway.
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Obviously the 13 year stuff is there to point at Franziska's great abilities, such as those 9-years-old piano genious. She has to be pointed as a prodigy, and you can randomly hear of 10-15 years old genious graduating at university. It's all about this genious stuff.
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I believe that Franziska wanted to become a prosecuter at the same time as Edgeworth, so that she can smite her "Little brother" and prove that she is better than him. Because Edgeworth was 20 when he prosecuted his first case (3-4) and there is a seven year gap between Edgeworth and Franziska's age, it would put Franziska at 13 when she prosecuted her first case.
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I find the fact that she was prosecutor at 13 far less shocking than the fact that she can whip the judge.
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If only I was a lawyer at 13...
I guess if you tried really hard and got into university at 10, then studied law there, I suppose if you're super amazing they can probably make an exception for you.
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Or Manfred had some... connections....
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That's assuming, of course she became a prosecutor after Manfred's encounter with Gregory Edgeworth: Ace Attorney =D
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Or they just of could have feared not to make her a prosecutor. Her whip can easily make someone change their mind :whip:
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Aura wrote:
A lot of stuff that happens in Phoenix Wright isn't possible. That's kinda what makes it funny.

You know, I never really thought about why they really did that. At the same time on how dramatic and over-the-top this game was they always have a nice way of writing it in the script to make it believable in the end. Of course, I mean buyable in their world and incredibly insane in our real world.

Well, to top things of with Franziska, she didn't lose a case until she came to America and lost against Phoenix which means: Not only was she prosecuting at 13... she whooping ass at 13!!
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Of course, becoming a prosecutor at 13 is not possible. In the gamen though,it's possible. But I'm not really on the "It's-because-she's-the-daughter-of-von Karma-that-she-could-have-become-a-prosecutor-at-13.", maybe it's a bit true but not entirely. She had to pass the bar exam to become a prosecutor and she must have known all the stuff to do that. I mean the laws, the job of a prosecutor.

Of course it's in the game and that's my point of view!
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How exactly can Franziska be a prosecuter when she was 13? Is it even possible? (I haven't played JFA)



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Apeman1813 wrote:
Well, to top things of with Franziska, she didn't lose a case until she came to America and lost against Phoenix which means: Not only was she prosecuting at 13... she whooping ass at 13!!

Ouch, imagine how humulating that would be. A defence attorney losing to someone that could very well be their own daughter. :payne:
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Apeman1813 wrote:
Well, to top things of with Franziska, she didn't lose a case until she came to America and lost against Phoenix which means: Not only was she prosecuting at 13... she whooping ass at 13!!


More like whipping, right? It can't be that hard to get your way when you beat into unconsciousness the people who disagree with you.

I'm sure Franziska has great book smarts and that's how she was able to pass the bar exam so young, but when you look at her performance against Phoenix she's actually very sloppy. I'm not sure if she's a great prosecutor so much as German defense attorneys have low pain tolerances (in AA world at least~)
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More like whipping, right? It can't be that hard to get your way when you beat into unconsciousness the people who disagree with you.

I'm sure Franziska has great book smarts and that's how she was able to pass the bar exam so young, but when you look at her performance against Phoenix she's actually very sloppy. I'm not sure if she's a great prosecutor so much as German defense attorneys have low pain tolerances (in AA world at least~)

That explains a lot, but at the same time... I guess I never pictured Phoenix being so strong or having a high pain tolerance. Kinda makes me think he might've been into some freaky stuff back in the day. If you know what I mean~
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Croik wrote:
Apeman1813 wrote:
Well, to top things of with Franziska, she didn't lose a case until she came to America and lost against Phoenix which means: Not only was she prosecuting at 13... she whooping ass at 13!!


More like whipping, right? It can't be that hard to get your way when you beat into unconsciousness the people who disagree with you.

I'm sure Franziska has great book smarts and that's how she was able to pass the bar exam so young, but when you look at her performance against Phoenix she's actually very sloppy. I'm not sure if she's a great prosecutor so much as German defense attorneys have low pain tolerances (in AA world at least~)


Well, I think the whipping won't get you very far even if her rivals and the judge has low tolerances of pain. Without skills to support your case, it is unlikely that the judge would rule in your favor. For example, 2-2. The judge is intimidated through out the whole trial yet he didn't rule it in her favor at the end.

Furthermore, if winning court cases is about intimidation then in my opinion, the attorneys in their world would very likely be out of a job. The mafias would take over since mafias can do a better job at intimidating people. Since the PW courtrooms are still filled with lawyers, I believe she has the skills and the ability to start "whoopin asses" at the age of 13.
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Well, I think the whipping won't get you very far even if her rivals and the judge has low tolerances of pain. Without skills to support your case, it is unlikely that the judge would rule in your favor. For example, 2-2. The judge is intimidated through out the whole trial yet he didn't rule it in her favor at the end.

Furthermore, if winning court cases is about intimidation then in my opinion, the attorneys in their world would very likely be out of a job. The mafias would take over since mafias can do a better job at intimidating people. Since the PW courtrooms are still filled with lawyers, I believe she has the skills and the ability to start "whoopin asses" at the age of 13.


Well technically we don't know the state of defense attorneys in Germany. Maybe they really have all been whipped out of a job? It would be interesting to see how Franziska's practice in Germany may have affected their law system, because if a lawyer as sloppy as she is can have a perfect record as a 13 year old, something HAS to be up with their lawyers.

I mean, in 2-2 when Franziska came up against evidence she didn't know how to explain (Maya's robe) she just passed off blame to the police and hoped no one would notice. If she's that sloppy against an attorney she has a personal vedetta against, I can only imagine what she was used to getting away with in Germany.
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Axelle wrote:
Well, I think the whipping won't get you very far even if her rivals and the judge has low tolerances of pain. Without skills to support your case, it is unlikely that the judge would rule in your favor. For example, 2-2. The judge is intimidated through out the whole trial yet he didn't rule it in her favor at the end.

Furthermore, if winning court cases is about intimidation then in my opinion, the attorneys in their world would very likely be out of a job. The mafias would take over since mafias can do a better job at intimidating people. Since the PW courtrooms are still filled with lawyers, I believe she has the skills and the ability to start "whoopin asses" at the age of 13.


Well technically we don't know the state of defense attorneys in Germany. Maybe they really have all been whipped out of a job? It would be interesting to see how Franziska's practice in Germany may have affected their law system, because if a lawyer as sloppy as she is can have a perfect record as a 13 year old, something HAS to be up with their lawyers.

I mean, in 2-2 when Franziska came up against evidence she didn't know how to explain (Maya's robe) she just passed off blame to the police and hoped no one would notice. If she's that sloppy against an attorney she has a personal vedetta against, I can only imagine what she was used to getting away with in Germany.
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Croik, you double-posted.

I think part of the problem with Franziska's performance in JFA was that she was prosecuting cases that required making arguments for implausible or impossible situations. Her previous cases probably didn't involve spirit mediums or claims of flying murderers. I'm kind of surprised the judge even listened to some of the witness testimony in 2-3.

Franziska's biggest problem, though, is her lack of emotional control and general immaturity. Let's hope she grows up a little in GK.
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