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Just thinking back on Case 1 recently, and a few ponderings came to mind.

First of all, if Richard Wellington is the wealthy jerk that he is, why the heck didn't he make sure that there was a better prosecutor than Payne there? Or was he just too arrogant to think he had to go out of his way for something like that? I'd like to say that he's probably not as rich as he makes himself out to be, but that suit is pretty freaking snazzy. Redd White

Second, where did Richie get that fire extinguisher to hit Phoenix with? I mean, I'm sure the court had at least one for safety reasons, but they don't just leave fire extinguishers out in the open like that, right? I mean half the time you's have to smash open a glass case or something.

*shrugs* This isn't a totally serious topic. Just something I was thinking about.... And... investigating...
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Jeez, And to tthink I just just played this case today.

I do agree that Wellington was just too arrogant hired someone better. But he is only as rich as a con-artist can get and that isn't usually much for most people.

About the Fire extinguisher, most public places do have fire extinguisher out in public reach for Fire Emegerancies (Usually hanging right on the wall where most people reach it), so that's probably the one he grabbed.

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Wellington could be a Fake Fire Extinguisher Salesman which could be filled with rubber snakes or just air. And that it was one of his "products" he used. And I remember hearing something like this once on the News When I was a kid.
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Maybe his mindset when choosing prosecutors was that the older they are, the better they are, and the more experience they have. or, he just may have the problem of not thinking straight.
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Well, at that time in the series the only active procecutors we know of are Payne and Franziska, and Fran probably:

A.) Scares the crap out of Wellington
B.) Would be suspicious of Wellington's flimsy story
C.) Probably considers an arrogent fool such as Wellington beneath her
D.) Did I say scares the crap of Wellington?

Of all these, I'd say B and C are the truely important ones, as it's most likely that (invisible) higher-ups and/or the prosecutors themselves choose who gets what case, not the key defendant. After all, nobody did anything to hurt Richard.

P.S. If Wellington somehow did get to choose, he probably chose Payne for his awesome-looking, high-cultured glasses. Payne
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Payne was appointed by the state. Wellington was just a witness. He's not being represented, he's just giving his account of the murder. He doesn't have a choice about which prosecutor he gets stuck with.
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I always thought the oddest thing about Case 1 was that name in the sand. How the hell could Dustin write it with a broken neck that would have killed him instantly? I was just waiting for somebody to point that out the whole time... Edgeworth
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Yeah I think what you guys have said makes sense...
It's also kind of funny how he managed to sneak up on Phoenix with a freaking fire extinguisher and smack him over the head with it without anyone noticing. I mean it's certainly possible that he did it when no one was around, but still, one would think there would be someone else there. Like maybe a security guard or something. =3
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Yeah I think what you guys have said makes sense...
It's also kind of funny how he managed to sneak up on Phoenix with a freaking fire extinguisher and smack him over the head with it without anyone noticing. I mean it's certainly possible that he did it when no one was around, but still, one would think there would be someone else there. Like maybe a security guard or something. =3

When you're in the middle of a lobby, right before a case, I'm pretty sure someone would see you. Especially when you talk to a baliff 5 minutes afterwards. And especially when you talk to Maggey right afterwards.
Actually, shouldn't Wellington have been talking to Payne at that moment? Either that, or at least being prepared for court somehow and not sneaking around with fire extinguishers...
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Maybe he knocked out the bailiff too. XD
Yeah, the more I think about it, the more I realize that Richie's behavior doesn't make any sense.
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Wellington isn't the one suing anyone, so he didn't get to pick the prosecuting attorney. Rather, it's the state who decides what prosecutor gets to go to what trial, though I'm sure Franziska pulls some strings to get matched up with Phoenix. She probably didn't do it for this case simply because, as Phoenix told Maggey before his memory loss, it's an easy victory.


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I always thought the oddest thing about Case 1 was that name in the sand. How the hell could Dustin write it with a broken neck that would have killed him instantly? I was just waiting for somebody to point that out the whole time... Edgeworth


Oh man, not this again....


Look, a broken neck does not mean instant death. A person could live for several minutes with an untreated broken neck, and even continue living with immediate medical attention. Surely he could've lived long enough to write a few letters with one's fingers.
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People can break their neck and Survive! This woman in WW2 had a cable from a barrage balloon go theough her neck and she survived by holding her head up. There would be enough time to write the thing for certain :)
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Yeah, but you would probably be paralyzed. Plus he did fall from I think 20 ft and hit things on the way down. I think they say that somewhere in the case.
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Impulse wrote:
I always thought the oddest thing about Case 1 was that name in the sand. How the hell could Dustin write it with a broken neck that would have killed him instantly? I was just waiting for somebody to point that out the whole time... Edgeworth


ha, so true.
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While a broken neck won't always ensure an instant death...if it WAS broken enough that you'd die from it so quickly after it was inflicted, I'd figure that you'd be too paralyzed to write anything, even if you lived for a few moments afterwards.
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Yeah, when you've broken your neck, I don't think your arms work anymore. That case was crazy.

I'm still confused about how Richard got Phoenix's cell phone. Was Phoenix carrying BOTH cell phones?
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I'm still confused about how Richard got Phoenix's cell phone. Was Phoenix carrying BOTH cell phones?


Obviously. Richard was going to take his phone back, but swiped Phoenix's. They are identical, mind you. I don't think it was his intent do nap the wrong one.
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Yeah I figure he must have been in a hurry because if he had actually examined the phone, he would have realized that none of his numbers were on there. ...Poor bloke.
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He was a douche anyway XD
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Impulse wrote:
Actually, shouldn't Wellington have been talking to Payne at that moment? Either that, or at least being prepared for court somehow and not sneaking around with fire extinguishers...


This isn't really a problem:

*Payne thought Detective Gumshoe's testimony would be enough to close the case
*Wellington was almost certainly "prepared" to a certain extent days before the actual trial
*Payne could then bring Wellington up to date on the status of the trial during the recess

There's no reason Wellington would be talking to Payne or being prepared.
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Yeah, but you would probably be paralyzed

How could you hold your head up if you were paralyzed? :F A broken neck =/= Paralysis.
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I did say probably.
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Even if he COULD move for several moments after he fell, the angle of his body/neck didn't really seem like he could move his arm at the right angle to write it where he did...
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And the cursive! That's the neatest handwriting I've ever seen! And he somehow did it after he was attacked and soon to die! I mean, having a broken neck is definitely Not Comfortable, am I right?
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Anyway the moral of this thread is

1.) Witnesses don't decide the prosecuter
2.) Some people in the AA universe are really really stupid.
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This was the only penalty I got in that case. I presented autopsy report when Gumshoe talked about the writing in the sand. If I remember correctly it said DIED INSTANTLY. I very much enjoyed watching Wellington choke himself.
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I presented autopsy report when Gumshoe talked about the writing in the sand. If I remember correctly it said DIED INSTANTLY.


The Autopsy Report, or Gumshoe's testimony? I'm playing through through the case now, and I haven't seen anything like that in either.
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well, when you snap your neck, I'm fairly sure that you die instantly.

You also can't move your arms.

Plus, if Dustin and Maggey were in love, I'm sure the last thing he'd wanna do is incriminate his girlfriend, even if she did kill him for reals.
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As a Phoenix Wright fans...I expect to see a proof that will end once and for that "Broken Neck" argument.
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I don't think Wellington had a choice, but Payne is the rookie killer... and even if he did have a choice, after giving Phoenix that bump on the head I don't think he'd be too worried.

I still don't get how Gumshoe overlooked Maggey's name spelled wrong. It was kinda obvious he had a crush on her, so shouldn't he have paid a bit more attention to the clues if he didn't want her to go to jail? Or know how to spell her name? o_o
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Not to mention that the Bailif didn't notice Phoenix unconsious...
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DetectiveAnonymous wrote:
Just thinking back on Case 1 recently, and a few ponderings came to mind.

First of all, if Richard Wellington is the wealthy jerk that he is, why the heck didn't he make sure that there was a better prosecutor than Payne there? Or was he just too arrogant to think he had to go out of his way for something like that? I'd like to say that he's probably not as rich as he makes himself out to be, but that suit is pretty freaking snazzy. Redd White

Second, where did Richie get that fire extinguisher to hit Phoenix with? I mean, I'm sure the court had at least one for safety reasons, but they don't just leave fire extinguishers out in the open like that, right? I mean half the time you's have to smash open a glass case or something.

*shrugs* This isn't a totally serious topic. Just something I was thinking about.... And... investigating...

this is what i think of this...

1.he doesn't get to choose who is the prosecutor and if he did he wouldn't chosed payne over someother prosecuter(there are more lawers then just the ones you see in the game)
2. sence he's is a con artist i think got it form his little con artist base or soemthing(this doesn't make sences even to me)

and i would be acting like richy but people flame me when i do Sadshoe
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Then again, was Wellington really rich or was he putting on an act to persuade people for his con-artisty?
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yeah and also in the shot of the defendant lobby, theres clearly a baliff standing guard. yet when wellington whacks Nick on the head, the baliff is no where to be seen, and furthermore he returns when Phoenix comes around.

EDIT: just thought of another one. The Victim died of a broken Neck, correct. yet according to the evidence he wrote the name Maggie in the dirt. but surely a broken neck severs all communication from the brain to the rest of the body. therefore making impossible for him to write the name. yet Phoenix didn't bring this up in court.

and maggey was at the scene when the victim died, wasn't she? so why didn't she just tell Nick that it was wellington, and make is job a ton easier
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yeah and also in the shot of the defendant lobby, theres clearly a baliff standing guard. yet when wellington whacks Nick on the head, the baliff is no where to be seen, and furthermore he returns when Phoenix comes around.

EDIT: just thought of another one. The Victim died of a broken Neck, correct. yet according to the evidence he wrote the name Maggie in the dirt. but surely a broken neck severs all communication from the brain to the rest of the body. therefore making impossible for him to write the name. yet Phoenix didn't bring this up in court.

and maggey was at the scene when the victim died, wasn't she? so why didn't she just tell Nick that it was wellington, and make is job a ton easier

1.you can still write with a broken neck in some cases a broken neck doesn't severs all communication. Wellington

2.Maggey said that she wasn't at the scene so how could she see Wellington if she wasn't there? Wellington

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I don't think that Wellington could write it at all for a few reasons.
1) He can't see without his glasses
2) Someone should have seen him

I think the case against Maggey is weak altogether is weak. THE NAME IS SPELT WRONG!!! ANYONE CAN SEE THAT!!!!!!
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2.Maggey said that she wasn't at the scene so how could she see Wellington if she wasn't there? Wellington


Thus the inconsistency.
The reason Wellington killed Dustin was that he saw a police officer standing NEXT TO MAGGEY. He thought that she had called for help. He had no reason to think that a police officer hanging around in a park was suspicious unless it was clear that Maggey had talked with him. So if you say that Maggey didn't see the murder because she wasn't there, then Wellington's motive dissolves. However, to maintain Wellington's motive, it means that Maggey actually DID see the murder, which creates a whole slew of plotholes.
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Maggey is unlucky so she might have forgotten what she had seen Maggy
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Ema Time to explain a few things.

The spinal cord is the only nerve that is directly plugged into the brain, if any point along the spine is broken cleanly, the nerves break and thus movement signals to the area below never make their destination. The lowest section of the brain maintains many bodily functions including the maintenance of the heart rate. A proper break to the neck, therefore, is guaranteed to be fatal, however, if some nerves are not severed, then there is a possibility of survival, although it is terribly slim at best.

This was my thesis as to what happened.

Wellington turned up, and saw Maggey with Dustin, worried about the content of his phone, stayed back.

Maggey, wondering where the owner of the cell phone went, decided to check the park entrance.

Wellington, seeing his chance, pushed Dustin.

Dustin died upon impact,Wellington's glasses shatter under his weight.

Wellington, in a panic, writes down the name 'Maggie' and looks for his glasses.

Maggey sees the scene, Wellington looks up, but can't make Maggey out that well, Maggey, horrified, runs off.

Wellington, giving up on his glasses, calls the police.
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Not really, I had to learn these for my exams three years ago. Biology and PE. My grandparents were nurses as well, so I learned a few things about anatomy from my mother that she learned from them.
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