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Spoiler:
Any defendants names that I didn't put down were ones that I wasn't so sure of.
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Spoiler: 2-1
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Spoiler: 2-3
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Spoiler: 3-1
Spoiler: 3-2
Spoiler: 3-3
Spoiler: 3-4
Spoiler: 3-5
Spoiler: 4-1
Spoiler: 4-2
Spoiler: 4-3
Spoiler: 4-4
Don't forget that every single case without a motive also had an eyewitness, too.
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Bad Player wrote:
Hmm...
Don't forget that every single case without a motive also had an eyewitness, too.
Spoiler: 1-1
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Spoiler: 1-4
Spoiler: 1-5
Spoiler: 2-1
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Spoiler: 2-4
Spoiler: 3-1
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Spoiler: 3-3
Spoiler: 3-4
Spoiler: 3-5
Spoiler: 4-1
Spoiler: 4-2
Spoiler: 4-3
Spoiler: 4-4
Don't forget that every single case without a motive also had an eyewitness, too.
...True... but...
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My main point was that the prosecution usually has some kind of flaw in their argument. If they have a theory and the court makes them explain it, they usually don't, then they makes you fill in all the holes that they find in your argument, and they don't bother to fill in any holes you find in their arguement. Then they make you provide a motive for the true culprit but they usually don't bother providing motives for the defendant. It annoys me... >_< Thanks, though. I actually wasn't really thinking about eyewitnesses (thanks for bringing that up, though), 'cuz they usually lie or forget things.
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And of course the prosecution has some kind of flaw in their argument. Otherwise your client would be guilty :P
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: But, Mr. Wright, if you screw up, your client is automatically 
Phoenix: (What the heck... it's the prosecution who keeps screwing up...)
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I mean, look at it this way. They get to the scene and they find out that only one person could have done it according to the evidence as well as believing in the eye witnesses (who are normally shoddy of course). Almost every case starts out with the fact that the authorities think that there was only one possible person who could have pull it off so going based off that they just put whatever motive they want on them to tie things up nicely.
You see, unlike Phoenix the police go based on evidence and then set out to find the motive while Phoenix seems to go completely backwards by seeing who has a motive and the building a case against them in order to defend his client.
At least... that's how I see it
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Apeman1813 wrote:
I'll admit that the prosecution doesn't ever really give very good motives from time to time, but honestly their motives aren't the most important part to them.
I mean, look at it this way. They get to the scene and they find out that only one person could have done it according to the evidence as well as believing in the eye witnesses (who are normally shoddy of course). Almost every case starts out with the fact that the authorities think that there was only one possible person who could have pull it off so going based off that they just put whatever motive they want on them to tie things up nicely.
You see, unlike Phoenix the police go based on evidence and then set out to find the motive while Phoenix seems to go completely backwards by seeing who has a motive and the building a case against them in order to defend his client.
At least... that's how I see it
I mean, look at it this way. They get to the scene and they find out that only one person could have done it according to the evidence as well as believing in the eye witnesses (who are normally shoddy of course). Almost every case starts out with the fact that the authorities think that there was only one possible person who could have pull it off so going based off that they just put whatever motive they want on them to tie things up nicely.
You see, unlike Phoenix the police go based on evidence and then set out to find the motive while Phoenix seems to go completely backwards by seeing who has a motive and the building a case against them in order to defend his client.
At least... that's how I see it
I understand what you're saying. :D
But still, they either do care (Even though I doubt it... Maybe Klavier would...) or they just want to win and will do whatever they can to win (which is usually the case) if they always make you provide a motive for the true culprit but they only have to explain what they want to explain no matter what (Like in case 2-3, Franziska was supposed to explain something in the trial, but she never did.)
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Steel_Python wrote:
Apeman1813 wrote:
I'll admit that the prosecution doesn't ever really give very good motives from time to time, but honestly their motives aren't the most important part to them.
I mean, look at it this way. They get to the scene and they find out that only one person could have done it according to the evidence as well as believing in the eye witnesses (who are normally shoddy of course). Almost every case starts out with the fact that the authorities think that there was only one possible person who could have pull it off so going based off that they just put whatever motive they want on them to tie things up nicely.
You see, unlike Phoenix the police go based on evidence and then set out to find the motive while Phoenix seems to go completely backwards by seeing who has a motive and the building a case against them in order to defend his client.
At least... that's how I see it
I mean, look at it this way. They get to the scene and they find out that only one person could have done it according to the evidence as well as believing in the eye witnesses (who are normally shoddy of course). Almost every case starts out with the fact that the authorities think that there was only one possible person who could have pull it off so going based off that they just put whatever motive they want on them to tie things up nicely.
You see, unlike Phoenix the police go based on evidence and then set out to find the motive while Phoenix seems to go completely backwards by seeing who has a motive and the building a case against them in order to defend his client.
At least... that's how I see it
I understand what you're saying. :D
But still, they either do care (Even though I doubt it... Maybe Klavier would...) or they just want to win and will do whatever they can to win (which is usually the case) if they always make you provide a motive for the true culprit but they only have to explain what they want to explain no matter what (Like in case 2-3, Franziska was supposed to explain something in the trial, but she never did.)
I don't really recall 2-3 too well. What was she suppose to explain? I feel senile
I think don't they really care too much. I think they just want to hear it so they can shoot it out the water. Also, I always found more important for Phoenix to show the court a motive especially if he's going off little or no evidence compared to the prosecution's pile of evidence against the defendant. Of course, at the same time, by the time the culprit takes the stand most of all the prosecution's evidence and theories are shot down as useless. Ha, I give up... I dunno...
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I do not feel Wright is a good defence attorney but a pretty good prosecution one.
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Bad Player wrote:
Most of this is b/c in the PW it's guilty until proven innocent.
Yup.
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Apeman1813 wrote:
Steel_Python wrote:
Apeman1813 wrote:
I'll admit that the prosecution doesn't ever really give very good motives from time to time, but honestly their motives aren't the most important part to them.
I mean, look at it this way. They get to the scene and they find out that only one person could have done it according to the evidence as well as believing in the eye witnesses (who are normally shoddy of course). Almost every case starts out with the fact that the authorities think that there was only one possible person who could have pull it off so going based off that they just put whatever motive they want on them to tie things up nicely.
You see, unlike Phoenix the police go based on evidence and then set out to find the motive while Phoenix seems to go completely backwards by seeing who has a motive and the building a case against them in order to defend his client.
At least... that's how I see it
I mean, look at it this way. They get to the scene and they find out that only one person could have done it according to the evidence as well as believing in the eye witnesses (who are normally shoddy of course). Almost every case starts out with the fact that the authorities think that there was only one possible person who could have pull it off so going based off that they just put whatever motive they want on them to tie things up nicely.
You see, unlike Phoenix the police go based on evidence and then set out to find the motive while Phoenix seems to go completely backwards by seeing who has a motive and the building a case against them in order to defend his client.
At least... that's how I see it
I understand what you're saying. :D
But still, they either do care (Even though I doubt it... Maybe Klavier would...) or they just want to win and will do whatever they can to win (which is usually the case) if they always make you provide a motive for the true culprit but they only have to explain what they want to explain no matter what (Like in case 2-3, Franziska was supposed to explain something in the trial, but she never did.)
I don't really recall 2-3 too well. What was she suppose to explain? I feel senile
I think don't they really care too much. I think they just want to hear it so they can shoot it out the water. Also, I always found more important for Phoenix to show the court a motive especially if he's going off little or no evidence compared to the prosecution's pile of evidence against the defendant. Of course, at the same time, by the time the culprit takes the stand most of all the prosecution's evidence and theories are shot down as useless. Ha, I give up... I dunno...
She was supposed to explain flying. And once again, I understand what you're saying. The only reason I remember 2-3 pretty well is because 2-3 for some reason is my favorite case. (I don't blame anyone who thinks that's odd) Heheh...
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SerialVER wrote:
Actually, this is part of what amuses me about Wright, he spends a lot of time proving someone else did something, thus in a sense he is more of a prosecutor and the prosecutor spends their time trying to defend the newly accused, total turn about!
I do not feel Wright is a good defence attorney but a pretty good prosecution one.
I do not feel Wright is a good defence attorney but a pretty good prosecution one.
Same conclusion my bro and I had during one of our discussions of PW (I know we have discussions... shush)
That is kinda what it turns out to be. The game is trying to implement the idea of helping wrongfully accused innocents and "believing in your client" (like "believing in the cards"
) but also whodunit.The other thing is that most of the prosecutors we go up against have their pride on the line and care more about winning than truth (especially Franziska). For Edgeworth, he was like this for a little while but turned into making sure that Wright had the right (lol) person. For Godot, he wanted to beat Wright. So of course, his pride's on the line too.
In AJ, they seemed to try to give each defendant a motive. Notice I said try.
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Spoiler: 4-4
So you see, for both of the above "No real motive" cases, according to Bad Player, Klavier also had a reason to force the defense to give a motive.
My point is that, it's mostly the prosecutor's own personal agendas/reasons for trying to force the defense to come up with motives.
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Here are some possibilities. Spoilers abound.
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Surely a psychoanalysis isn't called for as well!
OBJECTION! This phone call proves that there was no bad blood between Maya and Mia Fey!
Heh, heh, heh.
(He's... he's just making this up... how do I fight back against that?)
No, which proves that -
Yeah! I saw the hippie lady do that!
(That... that... EDGEWORTH.)
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W-wait, how come I don't remember playing any of those scenes!? Especially the last one!! What the heck—!
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Caelestis wrote:
:beef: W-wait, how come I don't remember playing any of those scenes!? Especially the last one!! What the heck—!
Actually, I don't remember any of those scenes either... Mostly the last one...
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My writing isn't that indistinguishable from the games, right? Because if I can be mistaken for the writers that easily, I'm playing way too much.
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I think so. But the note WAS a fake, but he could've just showed up at the press conference in the Nickel Samurai costume, then if Juan was there, he could just take off his mask, and show everybody that Juan was posing as him.
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Steel_Python wrote:
grim_tales wrote:
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I think so. But the note WAS a fake, but he could've just showed up at the press conference in the Nickel Samurai costume, then if Juan was there, he could just take off his mask, and show everybody that Juan was posing as him.
Matt's entire career was built on his image as being cool and refreshing, though. If Juan read that note it wouldn't matter if they proved it to be a fake later: people would still have that doubt in the back of their mind, and would still see him in a different light. And since Celese's suicide was a matter of public record by then, if anyone bothered to look into it they would see Juan's facts matched up. Scandal city!
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Croik wrote:
Steel_Python wrote:
grim_tales wrote:
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I think so. But the note WAS a fake, but he could've just showed up at the press conference in the Nickel Samurai costume, then if Juan was there, he could just take off his mask, and show everybody that Juan was posing as him.
Matt's entire career was built on his image as being cool and refreshing, though. If Juan read that note it wouldn't matter if they proved it to be a fake later: people would still have that doubt in the back of their mind, and would still see him in a different light. And since Celese's suicide was a matter of public record by then, if anyone bothered to look into it they would see Juan's facts matched up. Scandal city!
Yeah, I guess that makes more sense.
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