Was Godot a good prosecutor?
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Honestly, I thought Godot was damn good prosecutor. He was so cool and collected throughout the hearings and had a great counter arguments as well as his flare for dramatics. I honestly think he was my favorite of the series.
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Phoenix: ...And that is why my client is innocent!
Godot: Oh yeah? Prove it.
Phoenix: You see...
Godot: Oh yeah? Prove it.
Phoenix: And therefore...
Godot: Oh yeah? Prove it.
Phoenix: (Does this guy have any other arguments up his sleeve?)
Yes yes, I know a lot of prosecutors play the proof card, but I'm not kidding when I say the proof card is the only card in Godot's deck.
Apart from that I hate him as a character [I found his whole thing with the "Trite" business very childish and I hated him even more when he spilled the reason why] and he's #2 on my worst prosecutor list [#1 being german rock star]
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And up until now I thought I was the only person in the world who hated Godot.
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BBdoubleB wrote:
I think Phoenix forgot about the time he went toe to toe with Manfred von Karma.
Truth be told, I actually find von Karma easier. You see, it's obvious when von Karma doesn't wan't something said. With Godot, you're never truly sure.
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I believe he even says at one point that Godot is the "most formidable opponent" he's ever faced.
That's one thing I hated about Godot; the way everyone kept saying he was so good and so cool and etc. etc. when he really wasn't. At all.
BB and meb did a pretty good job of summing up Godot's prosecuting 'skills.' Basically, he just used the prosecutor's advantage to force his lousy points and metaphorical bullshit to confuse the judge into taking his side. (Wow, you confused the JUDGE! Good work, Armando, not everyone can pull that off!)
In 3-2, when you're trying to break Atmey about Bullard's murder, Godot just goes "Whoop, looks like you're getting somewhere with this so no more testimony for you!" and since it's coming from the prosecution, the judge goes along with it.
In 3-3, when you point out the HMD contradiction in Armstrong's testimony, Godot just says "Oh, well, Kudo meant it was on the right side" and it's accepted at that. Then when you do break Armstrong, Godot is sure to make it clear he's 'probably' lying. (I love how the prosecution can just decide a witness is wrong whenever they feel like it while you always have to back it up with, uh, proof.
)In 3-5... Actually, do I even need to say anything here?
tl;dr No, Godot is not a good prosecutor. Klavier may get a lot of flack for being 'boring', but at least he used good arguments to counter the defense's position most of the time.
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Payne, Edgeworth, Manfred, and Franziska? And Godot himself, if you want to get technical...>_>
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TheSteelSamurai wrote:
Didn't Phoenix beat more than three with perfect records?O_o
Payne,
Payne,
Nah, Mia beat him first. Besides, Godot is awesome, the only prosecutor to deviate fromt eh case to drink coffee, thereby confusing even the defense and winnign through circular logic, speculation, lying and generally havign an awesome theme tune. He could probably get defendants declared guilty just by staring at them while drinking 17 cups of coffee in a row.
Therefore, if we're beign realistic, he isn't a good prosecutor, but he's an awesome one.
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Hylian100 wrote:
Therefore, if we're beign realistic, he isn't a good prosecutor, but he's an awesome one.
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Someone like him was too emotional to be a prosecutor, but he fought SO hard to get to where he was. For me, his tragedy is what makes it for me. Not his prosecuting. I mean, really- Edgeworth for me flopped as a character, cause aside from being dead sexy and awesome in court, he really didn't interest me at all with his moping around. Godot was passionate, fiery, romantic, and it came out EVERYWHERE in his character.
His character wasn't mean to be a prosecutor. He was meant to be a lawyer. Like Phoenix. His tragedy is that his heart has been torn so badly that he couldn't defend a man till it was mended once more. He had story. The rest don't really matter- unless Phoenix Wright has to be difficult to play for it to be enjoyable for you. I personally play and love the Phoenix Wright series cause of the characters and storylines. The court battles are a challenge to me- not the be all end all.
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But that's just me.
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BBdoubleB wrote:
Uh...wow.
And up until now I thought I was the only person in the world who hated Godot.
And up until now I thought I was the only person in the world who hated Godot.
Clearly you haven't been on CR long enough! *cough*itsownerhatesgodot*cough*
I don't think Godot was a good prosecutor, but then, neither were any of the others. The fact that they suck at their job is the whole point! You can blame Gumshoe (and Ema) for not being able to find and deliver all the right evidence, but in the end it's the prosecutor that argues the case, and the game demands that they be wrong. Therefore it's hard to rank the prosecutors against each other in terms of skill.
Still, I think Godot shows his "skill" pretty well in 3-3.
Spoiler: 3-3
None of that has anything to do with whether or not he's a good *character* but that's a debate for another time.
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Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
I didn't like his character either. I thought he was a cocky, hypocritical, sexist prick who had no problem blaming and sacrificing everyone but himself for something nobody could have really prevented anyway.
But that's just me.
But that's just me.
I was going to go on a huge long rant about why I hate Godot as a character equally as much as I do as a prosecutor, but you pretty much summed it up.
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I am sure I read and commented on a post complaining about motives not being used a lot, I think Godot used them for his cases, trying to give motive to why someone was killed by the defendant. I might be wrong of course, my short-term memory is shot and as I'm playing T&T now... whatcha' gonna do?
I think the higher ups in the Prosecutors Office know Godots true history and the whole 'being great' is not so much as a prosecutor but his past life experience.
Fundamentally, Godot is a character much like his own coffee, dark and bitter as well as likely very hurt.
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If you're referring to how he turned against Tigre at the end of the case...well, what else could he do? Tigre put the gun on himself, and nothing Godot could say was going to change that.
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BBdoubleB wrote:
Godot did a good job at wanting to find the truth? How the crap so? Anything he knew, he hid, such as the fake Phoenix.
If you're referring to how he turned against Tigre at the end of the case...well, what else could he do? Tigre put the gun on himself, and nothing Godot could say was going to change that.
If you're referring to how he turned against Tigre at the end of the case...well, what else could he do? Tigre put the gun on himself, and nothing Godot could say was going to change that.
Potty mouth aside.....
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Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
I didn't like his character either. I thought he was a cocky, hypocritical, sexist prick who had no problem blaming and sacrificing everyone but himself for something nobody could have really prevented anyway.
But that's just me.
But that's just me.
I disagree. I say that's whjat makes him awesome. He's a prick, but he's an awesome prick. You need an wesome prick sometime, Edgeworth's just too frilly.
No offense to edgeworth, though.
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But he had something that most of the prosecutors in the games don't have; a really good backstory. Seriously, everyone else's seems really boring compared to his, at least for me. His constant ranting about it got on my nerves a little at the end of case 5, though...
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this is my rank of best to worst prosecutor
1-
(probaly the best overall balance of skill defently a tough opponent)2-
(got by a little bit more on whim and emotion but otherwhise good)3-
(i thought she was a bit to childish to be a prosecutor everytime you get something right she just yell at you and call you a fool though she had a few good argument i say she was sub par at best)4-
( well he has more going for him then klavier he was sorta ok on 3-1)5-
( worst prosecutor ever he practily did apollo job for him well not that i blame him seeing how bad apollo was but that's for a different topic i guess plus i hate his fake accent i bet he's never even been to germany)
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Godot isn't addicted to coffee, coffee is addicted to Godot.
...But yeah, Godot isn't really the "best" prosecutor. But he's a lot more calm and collected than Edgy or Franzie.
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jamie gumshoe wrote:
this is my rank of best to worst prosecutor
1- (probaly the best overall balance of skill defently a tough opponent)
2- (got by a little bit more on whim and emotion but otherwhise good)
3- (i thought she was a bit to childish to be a prosecutor everytime you get something right she just yell at you and call you a fool though she had a few good argument i say she was sub par at best)
4- ( well he has more going for him then klavier he was sorta ok on 3-1)
5- ( worst prosecutor ever he practily did apollo job for him well not that i blame him seeing how bad apollo was but that's for a different topic i guess plus i hate his fake accent i bet he's never even been to germany)
1-
(probaly the best overall balance of skill defently a tough opponent)2-
(got by a little bit more on whim and emotion but otherwhise good)3-
(i thought she was a bit to childish to be a prosecutor everytime you get something right she just yell at you and call you a fool though she had a few good argument i say she was sub par at best)4-
( well he has more going for him then klavier he was sorta ok on 3-1)5-
( worst prosecutor ever he practily did apollo job for him well not that i blame him seeing how bad apollo was but that's for a different topic i guess plus i hate his fake accent i bet he's never even been to germany)Personally, I very much disagree with what people say about Klavier. Put simply, if Klavier wanted to kick your ass, he could. AND HARD.
Admittedly, it would have been nice if we'd had a third prosecutor for AJ, and I do agree with some of the complaints. I just don't see why anyone holds such trivialities against him so hard.
Here's my ranking:
1.
- OK, here we agree. Edgeworth has the perfect balance of skills and wit.2.
- Again, I pretty much agree with what you said thar.3.
- As stated above, if he wanted to kick your ass, he could. I think it should be to his credit that he actually wants Justice. (Fangirls, do not reinterpret.)4.
- (Why wasn't he on your list?!) As hard as some people found him, I think that he entirely lacks any subtlety. It's totally obvious where the problems in testimonies are because he is utterly obnoxious about it when they appear. As such, it was always obvious what statements had issues.5.
- I really don't get why Klavier gets so much crap and Franziska doesn't. As far as I can tell, I really see little to no skill whatsoever in her.6.
- Speaks for itself.
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Edgeworth's the best Prosecutor because his razor-sharpness is his defining character trait. None of the other prosecutors will measure up to his standard because none of them are being written to the Sherlock Holmes archetype! Once we admit this, Godot starts looking much more competent.
That didn't stop me from writing this microfic a while back, though, explaining how Godot could've snagged that Prosecutor job...
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Was always in complete control of the case, to the level where he was able to shut down perfectly valid arguments by Phoenix. explains itself I wasn't that big on her until I just recently discovered just how much of her father is in her...right down to the sprites. @ 3-1. 
...I've said everything I've wanted to say about him.
In 4-1, he seemed more on top of things than usual, though you could argue that the evidence against 
was rather strong.
He's obnoxious, whiny in 4-3, can't even speak proper german [He'd use more V's] and he does the freaking air guitar thing way too much. 
said it best: "Does everything with this guy have to be so over the top?"
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1.
- He wants to find the truth and leave no doubt in it so he pushes as hard as he can to eliminate possibilities with sharp wit to come up with extremely logical arguments seemingly on the spot.2.
- Intimidation, calm, cool, unfazed, and bitter. He was sharp not with so much the evidence, but with his ability to just get under your skin and to capture attention with his passion when he truly needed it.3.
- Extremely intimidating and controlling, but always too controlling to the point you could tell when things didn't sound well for him. Otherwise, great.4.
- I honestly admire his efforts, but at the same time if he really wanted to find the truth and he should really hit as hard as he can and have Apollo just prove him wrong.5.
- She did nothing, but complain, name call, or whip if something didn't go her way. Chilidish and rarely productive.6.
- So much pain and so little gain... I'm surprised that he said he went 7 years undefeated in AJ...
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To me it felt like they ran out of ideas and that's why he does nothing other than to sit back and say "evidence, Trite" every now and then.
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Not that I hate the guy, but hey, he lost all three cases, all he was after was Phoenix Wright. Really, we all love him because of the jazz, the visor, the one-liners and 3-5. *SHOT*
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Ember-the-prosecutor wrote:
I liked him as a character (the only thing I dislike about him is the fact that he's a sexist), but not as a prosecutor.
How is Godot sexist? A flirt and a sexist aren't the same thing.
Besides, I'm pretty sure Mia would let him have it if she was offended by the whole "kitten" thing. I mean, she whacks Grossberg across the face in 3-1 whenever the subject of love comes up, she had a slight temper problem back then.
Unless you're referring to something else altogether, but 3-4 is the only thing that comes to mind.
And MYSELF of all people is defending him here...
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