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The title explains it all.
What are your ideas for GK2?
I cam sum my 2 ideas up.

Ema Skye - Ace Attorney Investigations: I read somewhere, And I know it was on CR, That the plot for GK Was to be about Ema Skye and her Finger Prints, and luminol, well I think that she should be the protagonist of GK2, With the same sprites as in GK, A school uniform or Bunny-Girl Outfit would be fine also.

Klavier Gavin - Ace Attorney Investigations: Well, It would work better than Franny being the Main, Since he would have NOTHING To do with the original GK Game, just the same Gameplay and AJ Characters.
They should NOT Block out Apollo, seeing as he's had only one turn as the main character. Apollo should have as big a role as, let's say... Ema?
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Hrm, I think they should make an Edgey trilogy first.

A Franny or Klavier GK2 should be good though.
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Hrm, I think they should make an Edgey trilogy first.


AGREED.

I wouldn't mind one with Franny though. It'd be kind of interesting to see what goes on in that mind of hers. ^_^
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As much as I enjoyed GK and love Edgeworth in general, I'm not sure I like the idea of an Edgeworth triology. The series loves to do their "this case is connected to a case from your past!" scenario but I'm not sure how much they can pack into Edgeworth's backstory before it becomes overcrowded. Can he really take a case that will end up being more personal or more important to him than DL-6 was? If they can't, the series may end up feeling like filler.

I'd like to see them use more of a clean slate. Klavier and Franziska are both good options, though each has their drawbacks. I wouldn't even mind a new prosecutor entirely, though that might be a risky move. If we assume GS5 is going to come out before a possible GK2 maybe the new prosecutor from 5 could take over!
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With Klavier, it would kinda cool to have his first case where he realises the defendant is innocent and loses. Actually, that works for Franziska too. It would be a little 2-4-y though.
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Okay, here's my idea.

Ace Attorney Investigations 2: Franziska von Karma - You play as Franziska (duh) and her shota assistant and it takes place a year after GK. The new gameplay gimmick is the whip, which she uses too drag the truth out of the witnesses. Also, Kay's secret weapon, whatever it was called, returns. About 9 characters from GK1 and maybe... 5 or 6 characters from GS1-3 returns. How does that sound?

I'm kinda proud of my idea. Female protagonists = win.

If that doesn't work, I'm all for a Klavier game or a game starring a new prosecutor. Godot would be cool too, but I'm afraid that it would require some heavy retconning.
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You forgot that the assistant should be Adrian.
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Meh, I know that you love Fradrian, but I would much rather have a new assistant. Or maybe Kay could return.

That said... Adrian reappearing as a minor character would be nice. I ship her and Franziska as friends.
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I just thought that Adrian would be a perfect assistant since she is pretty smart and also a bit clumsy and adore Franziska over anything else. (Ok last part is from my head kanon). I just cant see the whole picture in front of me.
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The Von Karma Files ~ Rise and Fall of Manfred

Ok that is a prequel.

I agree with the issues of overbloating Edgeworths backstory, bring in an undeveloped character or a new one. Even Franny has more of a backstory to her now than Payne and Klavier. Godot had his whole prosecuting career explored in T&T anyway and I doubt he would stay prosecuting anyway, it is all over after T&T for him in that sense. Of course, keeping Edgeworth going is fine I suppose, could have his adventures in different countries perhaps.

That said, not played GK yet so speaking about sequels is a little too soon for me right now.

Adrian as an assistant, unless she lost her job she had, she seems more into providing her own career than milking one off Franny and her connections. Do all people have assistants anyway? Wouldn't Franny have a police connected assistant anyway? Maybe a rookie.
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Hm..
Ace Attorney Investigations: Damon Gant
Help Gant manipulating evidence, making up fake testimonies in court, controlling Lana, ganting people
Of course this is before 1-5

Yeah what did you expect
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.•°٭blinq٭°•. wrote:
Hm..
Ace Attorney Investigations: Damon Gant
Help Gant manipulating evidence, making up fake testimonies in court, controlling Lana, ganting people
Of course this is before 1-5

Yeah what did you expect
I want it anyway 8D


I was avoiding that suggestion, of course a game based on how he got to where he got to would be very interesting. Maybe with illegal interrogation sequences, sneak off to a factory to extract a 'testimony' from the 'guilty' man.

I do always wonder if Gant actually made lots of innocent people guilty or if he just started off perverting justice because of the failings of the system to convict the real criminals sometimes, sort of start off as 'law unto himself because law itself fails' but ending up going too far. Unlike Manfred who seemed to only care about winning regardless.

Perhaps Gant is what Edgeworth might ended up as if he did not have his 'enlightenment' and friends like Phoenix. Not sure.

This leads onto the thought of a Lana game, does a chief prosecutor only do paper work or do they actually actively prosecute? I do not know.

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Perhaps a game based on Manfred's younger years?
The distant past isn't a subject often delved into in the AA games, and Manfred doesn't really have much of a backstory other than what we can see through Edgeworth and Franziska.
The game would have to have a mostly original cast though, there's only really 3 other major old characters, Gant, Grossberg and Oldbag.

I'd prefer that to a Franziska sequel any day.

edit: oops, hadn't noticed a similar idea had already been posted.
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Really, another prosecutor would be very interesting. I can't make any judgements on what I think of Edgeworth's character or performance since I haven't played AAI yet. Klavier would be an interesting choice, maybe to expand on his story a little, his relationship towards Kristoph (what he thinks of his brothers eerie behaviors) and so on. Franziska we learned a little more about, and now we have a solid base of her younger years. I don't think a whip mechanism would be a pivotal part of gameplay but be an interesting either gimmick or enjoyable tool.

Also, maybe expand on more investigative features. More creative murder where you have to emply different styles of investigating to solve the case. And this would probably a close to no, but... HAVE TRIALS. After you complete the investigation, do a trial from a Prosecutor's point of view. Arrange testimonies, object to the defenses bluffs etc. THAT would make an interesting sequel.
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Dekuran wrote:
The title explains it all.
What are your ideas for GK2?
I cam sum my 2 ideas up.

Ema Skye - Ace Attorney Investigations: I read somewhere, And I know it was on CR, That the plot for GK Was to be about Ema Skye and her Finger Prints, and luminol, well I think that she should be the protagonist of GK2, With the same sprites as in GK, A school uniform or Bunny-Girl Outfit would be fine also.

Klavier Gavin - Ace Attorney Investigations: Well, It would work better than Franny being the Main, Since he would have NOTHING To do with the original GK Game, just the same Gameplay and AJ Characters.
They should NOT Block out Apollo, seeing as he's had only one turn as the main character. Apollo should have as big a role as, let's say... Ema?



I hope GK2 has more Edgeworth and Franziska.

I hope they don't make it the original idea of an Ema-centic game, because the 'science' thus far has always ended up being dumb gimmicky minigames, which are fine in small doses, but as the whole thing? They'd have to come up with insanely new game mechanics unlike GK1 for an Ema game.

Also, I dislike Klavier, and quite a lot of other people did too. Edgeworth is very popular and has few haters, whereas Klavier has many, making it less likely to be popular. And they'd have to bring back Kristoph and stuff, since that's Klavier's main backstory and influential development, and probably get Phoenix involved somehow in the '7 years garbage', and it could get messy.
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Well, does it have to be a prosecutor? 'Ace Attorney' Investigations is just to keep with the original name... I think, whatever, but...

After reading some of the Franziska ideas (OMG, A WHIP MINIGAME!?) I'm all DO WANT, So... 8DDD
And, um I like the Manfred ideas also.
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Dekuran wrote:
Well, does it have to be a prosecutor? 'Ace Attorney' Investigations is just to keep with the original name... I think, whatever, but...


Well, if you're playing as the defense attorney then it's just another Gyakuten Saiban game. =/ Although the word "prosecutor" isn't actually in the title (the English one, at least), AAI was made so that people can play as the prosecutor for once.

I see what you mean, though. The English title allows for more possibilities. The Japanese title, though, has "prosecutor" in it, so that would cause a lot of confusion. XDD
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Yeah, but, um, You vould change it to Turnabout Investigator instead of Prosecutor, in that case, I guess...
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Franziska as the main character would be great. Even if I prefer Fran, Klavier could be a good choice too. I'm not for a Edgeworth Trilogy too. And I would love to have a GIRL as the main character for the first time. We had Phoenix, Apollo and Edgey, and I can't say Mia was really a main character.

Yes I'm more for Ace Attorney Investigation 2: Franziska von Karma.

And for that Ema game which I heard about: I think the plot of the game would not be the same because it's always attorneys who find the truth, not investigators and detectives. And plus, I don't like Ema very much.
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Dekuran wrote:
Yeah, but, um, You vould change it to Turnabout Investigator instead of Prosecutor, in that case, I guess...


But that would make it an entirely new spin off. Gyakuten Saiban, Gyakuten Kenji, Gyakuten Keiji... It starts to get a little ridiculous. Plus Kenji's sales as a spin off were already below those of GS4, even using a powerhouse of a character like Edgeworth at the head. I don't think you could spin off much more without risking it being a flop.

Besides, the prosecutor/detective combo is played up a ton in GK, so if you want to highlight a character that isn't a prosecutor, all you have to do is pair him/her with one! Market the main character as a duo.
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As much as a Gyakuten Kenji with Klavier would be cool, I think we'll get enough of him in GS5. I feel his character isn't developed enough to have his own game. GS5 still has a lot of stuff to clear up.

I'd love to see a Franziska game. It's the only other prosecutor, apart from Klavier, that makes sense. Manfred could be cool, but most people know how he ends up so it wouldn't add that much to the future of the series. Unless you want a Winston Payne game... Heh. Or they could always make a whole new character, but that could be risky business.
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What makes you say Klavier will be in GS5??
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What makes you say Klavier will be in GS5??


What makes me not say it? I'd be surprised if he isn't at all, he even got a reference in Gyakuten Kenji.
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No I think he will be in it but you said "I think we'll get enough of him in GS5". If he does appear a bit and not all the time then I don't think I'll get enough of him. But that's my point of view.

When you said that, I thought you were thinking that he will be THE prosecutor. That's why I was wondering.
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If you follow the formula from the past games, it's likely that Klavier will show up as some kind of guest prosecutor near the end of GS5. If not, I'm pretty sure he'll at least be a supporting character. So having Klavier as the main prosecutor in AJ, then showing up in 5, then having his own spin off game is a little unlikely unless his popularity suddenly soars.

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Indochine Ramera wrote:
No I think he will be in it but you said "I think we'll get enough of him in GS5". If he does appear a bit and not all the time then I don't think I'll get enough of him. But that's my point of view.

When you said that, I thought you were thinking that he will be THE prosecutor. That's why I was wondering.


I see. I personally don't think he will be the prosecutor for most cases, the series will probably do the same thing they've always done, change the main prosecutor and maybe give a bit more of backstory to previous ones. But yeah, you never know what they'll have in mind for GS5, maybe they'll want to focus more on jurists or who knows what...
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honestly, idk why people want to forget the phoenix trilogy and move on with apollo. imo, this is a great opportunity to clear up some loose holes and misconceptions while also adding more story.

a second edgeworth game imo is great, but the game can focus more on the seven year hiatus between the phoenix trilogy and apollo's game. i mean what happened to the fey's? von karma? gumshoe? it would also be a great opportunity to give some background information about the characters in apollo justice, mainly the gavins and ema skye's maturation into the prime criminal investigator in the games.
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If you follow the formula from the past games, it's likely that Klavier will show up as some kind of guest prosecutor near the end of GS5. If not, I'm pretty sure he'll at least be a supporting character. So having Klavier as the main prosecutor in AJ, then showing up in 5, then having his own spin off game is a little unlikely unless his popularity suddenly soars.

Edgeworth did it, but he's *Edgeworth.*


Yeah quite true.

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honestly, idk why people want to forget the phoenix trilogy and move on with apollo. imo, this is a great opportunity to clear up some loose holes and misconceptions while also adding more story.

a second edgeworth game imo is great, but the game can focus more on the seven year hiatus between the phoenix trilogy and apollo's game. i mean what happened to the fey's? von karma? gumshoe? it would also be a great opportunity to give some background information about the characters in apollo justice, mainly the gavins and ema skye's maturation into the prime criminal investigator in the games.


I think the creators of the game don't want to "clear up" things. I think that's to players to imagine that. Edgeworth is a good example, he is very secretive about his past and so on. If you pay attention there is no Official pairing, the player imagines them. You understand?
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I think the creators of the game don't want to "clear up" things. I think that's to players to imagine that. Edgeworth is a good example, he is very secretive about his past and so on. If you pay attention there is no Official pairing, the player imagines them. You understand?
I'm sorry but I'm little tired, so if it doesn't make sense...


edgeworth is secretive, but we do learn about his past. we learn that he was friends with phoenix back in the 4th grade and he wanted to be a da like his father. dl-6 happened and he had a change of heart. phoenix goes on to become a da and they do meet up.

imo the problem is with the release of apollo justice, the game suddenly skips 7 years into the future. phoenix quit, a bunch of new characters come in and old ones disappear. the end of apollo justice gives some closure, but not full closure.

with phoenix gone and apollo wasn't a da, imo there has to be a solid main character who can explain the hiatus. imo edgeworth is perfect but he doesnt have to be that person. capcom doesn't even have to clear it up, but when you have a game as big as the ace attorney series, many of us are left only to wonder for an explanation.
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honestly, idk why people want to forget the phoenix trilogy and move on with apollo. imo, this is a great opportunity to clear up some loose holes and misconceptions while also adding more story.


For the record, no one wants to "forget" Phoenix and the other characters. But let's not turn this into another PW vs AJ thread.

In GK they made a pretty deliberate move to avoid dealing with Phoenix, and I think it's understandable--it couldn't be an "Edgeworth" game if they spent the whole time angsting over Phoenix's disbarment. Even if they do decide to address it in a future Edgeworth game, they couldn't do so outside the context of another case. Since Kristoph doesn't get caught until AJ, allowing Edgeworth to even investigate the forgery as a gameplay device would *have* to end with him failing. I'm not sure if there's any "resolution" to be had by exploring the time around the Gramarye trial while still making it relevant in a game setting.

But if they did another Edgeworth game that took place a few years after (like right in the middle between T&T and AJ) then Phoenix could maybe be involved, and they talk about it. Or nestle it right up against AJ and let the game end with a vague mentioning of Edgeworth helping Phoenix with the jurist system.
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honestly, idk why people want to forget the phoenix trilogy and move on with apollo. imo, this is a great opportunity to clear up some loose holes and misconceptions while also adding more story.


For the record, no one wants to "forget" Phoenix and the other characters. But let's not turn this into another PW vs AJ thread.

In GK they made a pretty deliberate move to avoid dealing with Phoenix, and I think it's understandable--it couldn't be an "Edgeworth" game if they spent the whole time angsting over Phoenix's disbarment. Even if they do decide to address it in a future Edgeworth game, they couldn't do so outside the context of another case. Since Kristoph doesn't get caught until AJ, allowing Edgeworth to even investigate the forgery as a gameplay device would *have* to end with him failing. I'm not sure if there's any "resolution" to be had by exploring the time around the Gramarye trial while still making it relevant in a game setting.

But if they did another Edgeworth game that took place a few years after (like right in the middle between T&T and AJ) then Phoenix could maybe be involved, and they talk about it. Or nestle it right up against AJ and let the game end with a vague mentioning of Edgeworth helping Phoenix with the jurist system.

i think you kind of misinterpreted what i'm saying. it doesn't have to clear up phoenix's plotholes; just the phoenix universe. i mean every game up until now focused on phoenix, so i think we pretty much know everything important about him.

if they were to do a case during that 7 year hiatus, it doesn't have to tamper with the main events at all. for example, klavier could make an appearance and shed some light into that case, or edgeworth *could* do a case with kristoph except he could play a supporting role because edgeworth probably doesn't exactly know about the events that transpired. pretty much any major cameo appearance would be great because it would force the characters to talk, revealing more about their character. it might not sound too revealing but it would be revealing nonetheless.
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Ahh, okay. I thought you meant right around the disbarrment.

I don't mind if they do more cameos in GK2, as long as they keep it more under control than they did in the first one. I don't care to see the Feys show up just to say, "Hi, we still exist and we're still in Kurain!" like Ema's cameo.
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Ace Attorney Investigations 2: Diego Armando 84%
Ace Attorney Investigations- von Karma trilogy: Franziska von Karma 86%
Ace Attorney Investigations- von Karma trilogy: Manfred von Karma 82%
Ace Attorney Investigations- von Karma trilogy: DL-6 86%
Ace Attorney Investigations 3: Phoenix Wright & Maya Fey 91%
Ace Attorney Investigations 4: Winston Payne 79%
Ace Attorney Investigations 0: Franziska von Whippenburg 0.02%
Ace Attorney Investigations 5: Miles Edgeworth 2 93%
Ace Attorney Investigations 6: Apolllo Justice & Ema Skye 91%
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I like the idea of having a trilogy of GK games but having each of them focus on a different character.
Personally I'd like to see Franzy get her own game and possibly Ema Skye too.
The Gavin bros wouldn't be bad either.
Especially Kristoph....
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I like the idea of there being an edgeworth triology I mean this one just started why give another character there own game? It's true we know a lot about Edgeworth past but the game doesn't have to center around that it can still have Edgeworth as the main character and have other people's past to be tied in the game. For example being a hard core gumshoe fan I would like to know about his past however I realize a game with him as the main character is far unlikley so instead I say let Edgeworth have his series but still reveal gumshoe's secret past really you could do this with any character I'm just using him as an example. As long as you have good writing(which the AA creators have) you can still keep the mysterious past plot twist thing in the game why having Edgeworth as the main character who in my opinion makes a good one, why fix what's not broken? (sorry if that made no sense >.<)
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Well obviously a Edgey trilogy should come first, and maybe in the next one we can have an epic Edgey and Phoenix team up. I know that they want to try to make it Edgeworth only, but honestly why not bring in Phoenix in a support role? Heck even make him Hobo Phoenix if the defense attorney thing is an issue.

Also it could take place between T&T and AJ if Phoneix told Edgeworth that this was a personal case, and that he didn't wish to have his help. Either that or at the end of the game Edgeworth could just tell Phoenix he'll look into things to help him out.

Plus I'd just love to see Maya and Kay interact with each other. XD

Of course Kay would HAVE to return I mean how could she not?
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Maybe... In AAI2, Edgeworth could meet Kristoph? O___o
IDK, It would be cool, But they just meet by chance, or maybe you see a tiny sprite of him, somewhere as a cameo?
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Dekuran wrote:
Maybe... In AAI2, Edgeworth could meet Kristoph? O___o
IDK, It would be cool, But they just meet by chance, or maybe you see a tiny sprite of him, somewhere as a cameo?


It would be cool if Edgeworth went after a client of Kristoph's, and they got to do a confrontation! The thought of them "duking it out" really amuses me (especially if there's a tiny Apollo involved). But at the same time, I wouldn't want them to bother with that kind of fanservice cameo unless they plan on using him in GS5 or 6. What's the point of filling in backstory after he's outlived his usefulness in the actual plot?

But then I'd just like to see more Kristoph in general. He plays such a pivotal role in the games, allowing him to take on even more of a villain role would, I think, add strength to Apollo's series.
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Maybe, ur... You see him in somewhere buying Some Nail Polish? :B
It'd be cool to see anyone from AJ, Younger. :D
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