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The defendant should be Klavier.
That ties the two ideas together, I think...
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But I want to re-use the idea of the defendant being guilty...If the defendant`s not guilty, you can simply find the real killer. But if he is guilty, we have a problem.

Maybe 5-2 could be like 3-3, where Klavier has to prosecute Ema, and at the end of the case they get together. And before this case, they get engaged, which furthers adds problems, as Apollo can indict Klavier, deepening his (Apollo's) guilt.
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Trucy suffers from Incurits...
Then they want to get to Borginia...
Then there's a murder in the airport.
What if the true killer, the defendant wanted Trucy dead?
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I know that this thread is just a place to throw out random ideas, and I really don’t wanna sound like some cynical, anti-fun, nit-picking jerk. But there are a few things about the Trucy/incuritis plot that are really troublesome and I feel you guys should address them if you want to take the idea further. Just this once, bear with me please.

- Closing of a major metropolitan airport due to one murder: In real life this is just not going to happen. Grounding a major air hub wrecks a lot of havoc on the air industry. I’m not talking about just a few peeved customers getting their flights canceled; the repercussions would be in the millions of dollars. It’s like a domino effect: cargo can’t be moved, connecting flights and routing bungled, opportunity costs, etc. Airports are only closed due to extreme circumstances affecting safety, such as severe weather (hurricanes), bomb scares or terrorist attacks. As for a murder, they would probably cordon off the area and move affected flights to another terminal; the delay would be no more than a few hours.

- Only one airport?: PW takes place in a major Japanese city (Tokyo?) or in the US version, Los Angeles. Both these places have more than one airport within reasonable distance.

- Cheapass Apollo: chartering a private flight is not that expensive, even if Apollo & Phoenix are short of cash I bet they would be willing to take a unfavorable loan to save Trucy. Maybe even from the Tender Lender …

For most of these points you could say, hey, its just a game, were allowed a bit of creative freedom. But consider the amount of backlash 4-3 got for exercising the same freedoms; I’m sure you don’t want to go down the same path.

Possible solutions? Perhaps there’s something about incuritis that prevents the patient from flying on commercial air services. There are specialized medical “air-taxis” that will do the job, but only one in the area services Borginia, which is supposed to be a small backwater European country. This company is affected by said murder … well this is just something I thought of on the fly, I’m not sure how you want to work in Klavier or other plot details. There are plenty of other ways to write it.

On another note, I personally don’t agree with stories that kill off major characters en masse. It seems kind of superficial, like a bad episode of 24. Maybe tone down all the needless death; you can have a lot of suspense and drama without killing characters off. But I’m not here to criticize that, I just poke at factual inconsistencies. Go ahead and roll your eyes at me, I deserve it :sadshoe:
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I know that this thread is just a place to throw out random ideas, and I really don’t wanna sound like some cynical, anti-fun, nit-picking jerk. But there are a few things about the Trucy/incuritis plot that are really troublesome and I feel you guys should address them if you want to take the idea further. Just this once, bear with me please.

- Closing of a major metropolitan airport due to one murder: In real life this is just not going to happen. Grounding a major air hub wrecks a lot of havoc on the air industry. I’m not talking about just a few peeved customers getting their flights canceled; the repercussions would be in the millions of dollars. It’s like a domino effect: cargo can’t be moved, connecting flights and routing bungled, opportunity costs, etc. Airports are only closed due to extreme circumstances affecting safety, such as severe weather (hurricanes), bomb scares or terrorist attacks. As for a murder, they would probably cordon off the area and move affected flights to another terminal; the delay would be no more than a few hours.

- Only one airport?: PW takes place in a major Japanese city (Tokyo?) or in the US version, Los Angeles. Both these places have more than one airport within reasonable distance.

- Cheapass Apollo: chartering a private flight is not that expensive, even if Apollo & Phoenix are short of cash I bet they would be willing to take a unfavorable loan to save Trucy. Maybe even from the Tender Lender …

For most of these points you could say, hey, its just a game, were allowed a bit of creative freedom. But consider the amount of backlash 4-3 got for exercising the same freedoms; I’m sure you don’t want to go down the same path.

Possible solutions? Perhaps there’s something about incuritis that prevents the patient from flying on commercial air services. There are specialized medical “air-taxis” that will do the job, but only one in the area services Borginia, which is supposed to be a small backwater European country. This company is affected by said murder … well this is just something I thought of on the fly, I’m not sure how you want to work in Klavier or other plot details. There are plenty of other ways to write it.

On another note, I personally don’t agree with stories that kill off major characters en masse. It seems kind of superficial, like a bad episode of 24. Maybe tone down all the needless death; you can have a lot of suspense and drama without killing characters off. But I’m not here to criticize that, I just poke at factual inconsistencies. Go ahead and roll your eyes at me, I deserve it :sadshoe:


I was afraid I'll have factual inconsistencies.

Maybe I could add a few things, though it may defeat purposes of some things people make up, but I hope these would satisfy you.

There could probably be several killings in the same airport, all happened in only a few months, so they would simply HAVE to close until the serial killer is caught for good for the safety of their people. (It won't be an assassin like de Killer.)

As for the other airports, they might not have enough money to afford more tickets. They could have spent all of their money on the tickets and won't be able to afford more for other flights.

As for the cash, maybe Apollo and Phoenix wouldn't want to take part in illegal businesses (What if :mia: is still watching over him?) :ack:

And as for "air-taxis" I think it could be down for some reason, I don't know make one up for me.

I personally chose Klavier as the suspect because Ace Attorney always aims for the worse case scenario in terms of suspense. Moments you saw in the pass games are highly unlikely to happen. I'm sure you'll find examples.

I hope those explanations satisfy you Odrom, and I personally agree with you with killing off characters. If you are still finding problems, be sure to add stuff that would help. I would gladly appreciate it.
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As for the other airports, they might not have enough money to afford more tickets. They could have spent all of their money on the tickets and won't be able to afford more for other flights.


The airport they paid at would have to reimburse them for their ticket. Maybe there could be simultaneous airport bombings by an underground terrorist group?
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The airport they paid at would have to reimburse them for their ticket. Maybe there could be simultaneous airport bombings by an underground terrorist group?


I don't think that's appropriate. I'm giving up for today.
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Maybe I could add a few things, though it may defeat purposes of some things people make up, but I hope these would satisfy you.

The way that’s worded makes me feel like even more of a jerk :sadshoe:

Anyway, try not to think of answering these sorts of criticisms as a means of satisfying my or any other critics’ expectations. It is, after all, just my opinion. It’s really easy to find fault with things and point them out constantly, sometimes these criticisms can be constructive, sometimes not. Instead, I think its better to view it as a means of challenging and improving your own writing standards.

One reason why we write and enjoy fiction is that sometimes its fun not to conform to the pesky standards of reality. Depending on context, we have to suspend a bit of disbelief to get into the story. Even though the PW series is based on real life legal systems the writers take a great deal of creative liberty in order to make the plot flow well. If the court scenes were an accurate depiction of real life law it would get real boring real fast. However, on the flip side, there’s only so much disbelief that can be suspended before things become silly and unbelievable, 4-3 being a prime example. There are plenty of threads floating around filled with people unhappy with the way the case was written.

You don’t have to be overly zealous with fact checking to the point where it dampens your creativity, but there are some standards you have to adhere to in order to make your story presentable. The line between believable and corny is very subtle; finding a balance between these two contradictory elements is not easy.

Back to your idea, there are plenty of ways to write the situation out, you just need some plot device that keeps Trucy from reaching Borginia. The key is to keep the ideas flowing and not get frustrated. Consider your audience too; maybe you don’t care about the opinions of cynical, jaded critics such as myself, I wouldn’t be offended.

I hope that helps. I wish I could offer better advice but there’s a reason why I don’t write fiction for a living. I’m trying real hard to not sound like a pretentious ass but I don’t think it’s going along very well.
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Maybe I could add a few things, though it may defeat purposes of some things people make up, but I hope these would satisfy you.

The way that’s worded makes me feel like even more of a jerk :sadshoe:

Anyway, try not to think of answering these sorts of criticisms as a means of satisfying my or any other critics’ expectations. It is, after all, just my opinion. It’s really easy to find fault with things and point them out constantly, sometimes these criticisms can be constructive, sometimes not. Instead, I think its better to view it as a means of challenging and improving your own writing standards.

One reason why we write and enjoy fiction is that sometimes its fun not to conform to the pesky standards of reality. Depending on context, we have to suspend a bit of disbelief to get into the story. Even though the PW series is based on real life legal systems the writers take a great deal of creative liberty in order to make the plot flow well. If the court scenes were an accurate depiction of real life law it would get real boring real fast. However, on the flip side, there’s only so much disbelief that can be suspended before things become silly and unbelievable, 4-3 being a prime example. There are plenty of threads floating around filled with people unhappy with the way the case was written.

You don’t have to be overly zealous with fact checking to the point where it dampens your creativity, but there are some standards you have to adhere to in order to make your story presentable. The line between believable and corny is very subtle; finding a balance between these two contradictory elements is not easy.

Back to your idea, there are plenty of ways to write the situation out, you just need some plot device that keeps Trucy from reaching Borginia. The key is to keep the ideas flowing and not get frustrated. Consider your audience too; maybe you don’t care about the opinions of cynical, jaded critics such as myself, I wouldn’t be offended.

I hope that helps. I wish I could offer better advice but there’s a reason why I don’t write fiction for a living. I’m trying real hard to not sound like a pretentious ass but I don’t think it’s going along very well.

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Don't beat yourself up, man. You weren't being a total douche or anything, so don't feel like one. In fact, I think adding a plot would definitely add to the drama (if we could come up with one.)

Anyway's, it looks like everyone so seems to like my idea. I wonder what Croik would say? Do you think Capcom will take this? For some reason, I wouldn't be surprised if they did. Not that I'm over-confident and all but still.
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Here's an idea. Odoroki is accused for murder, therefore, Minuki is doing the investigating for him. Unfortunately, she's bright, but too naive to be of enough use. Hobohodo decides to give his prized possession, the magatama, to Minuki to help her investigate.
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There could be a bomb threat... Something like massive. if anybody read the book Scorpia, something like that could happen. Massive threat.

How about a contractable disease? If you have ever played the online game Pandemic, they close all methods of transportation. Maybe the swine flu pandemic has reached a point where the government has cordoned off all overseas transportation.

Nitpicking is good. It makes ideas better. By all means, go ahead.

Also, by the way. Borginia is a minor country. Only major airports have flights to almost everywhere in the world. A flight to Borginia is probably rare, maybe it only happens once in a while. You probably can't fly from a small airport in Arizona all the way to London. You would have to go to bigger airport first. I think that could be acceptable.


Also, this idea doesn't needlessly kill people off. You only have the option of doing so.

My idea, on the other hand kills everybody off, but that's because I thought it would be in character for :chinami: to want to kill of everybody who made her plan fail in 3-5. Sorry.
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[attentionwhore=]Hang on, did anyone say what they thought about my idea? [/attentionwhore]
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I liked your ideas too.
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we delve into Apollo's, Klavier's, and Kristoph's backstories. then we find out why Kristoph was so evil, he was dating Dahlia at some point and then she just suddenly left, but those feeling never left. then he finds out a few months before 4-1 that Dahlia has been dead for over 7 years and he just snaps.

oh yeah, i just made DahKris canon. :godot:
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if you had freedom of movement during investigations (like what gk looks like), that'll be great.
gs4 brought alot of new features with investigation and and i wish they would bring those back, along with additional methods.
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overall, make the gameplay less linear, but keep its good story and core gameplay.
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if you had freedom of movement during investigations (like what gk looks like), that'll be great


Personally, I hope not. I mean, I love what GK did, but I prefer the old system to stay with the GS series.
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Okay I may have some fixer uppers on my Trucy/Incuritus idea.

Maybe at the airport where the murder took place has the only transport in the city to have access to Borginia.

The murder took place inside the plane (probably similar to Turnabout Airline I admit :sadshoe:) that came from Borginia.

It is also possible that the killer came out the plane that took off from the country, so they can't use a spare plane as they thought the real killer would get away and they wouldn't have to use the airplane because the police are using it. So technically, Borginia is inaccessible.

Anything to nitpick on that, just let me know.
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I think... Maya should reappear. Possibly because Pearls is accused of murder and Odoroki must defend her. Of course, Iris would be brought along too, somehow. Unless she's in prison still...? (I cannot for the life of me remember her fate in the end of GS3 :payne:)
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I was thinking of an idea for Pairing.

You know how in GS4 you got to choose if Vera Misham was guilty or not? Well, I think they should do that with pairings too.

Trucy: Daddy! Daddy! Who's my new mommy?
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My idea is a case that makes Apollo face his past. No, not the typical "I'm your father who you thought was dead but I was hiding it the entire time haw haw haw".

I'm imagining a case in which his old orphanage is burnt down with twelve people dead. The defendant is a social worker working at that orphanage. The twist is, back in Apollo's youth at the orphanage, he hated the employee's guts. Maybe because of something he did.

An unpleasant reunion with the one person he despised, Apollo initially wanted to drop the case, but is convinced by Phoenix that the guy has no-one to fight for him, and so Apollo learns a lesson and takes the case. With this, he fights to put his feelings behind him and get the guy declared innocent.

Bonus points if there's a flashback in which Kristoph visits the orphanage and makes an offer to Apollo, something like this.

:garyuu: I'm willing to find you a home and provide a proper education for you, under one condition. If you complete law school, you will be my pupil at Gavin & Co. Law Offices.

And one more bonus point if the reason behind taking in Apollo is because he knows about the Gramarye Percieve ability and intends to study it and learn more about Zak Gramarye.
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My idea is a case that makes Apollo face his past. No, not the typical "I'm your father who you thought was dead but I was hiding it the entire time haw haw haw".

I'm imagining a case in which his old orphanage is burnt down with twelve people dead. The defendant is a social worker working at that orphanage. The twist is, back in Apollo's youth at the orphanage, he hated the employee's guts. Maybe because of something he did.

An unpleasant reunion with the one person he despised, Apollo initially wanted to drop the case, but is convinced by Phoenix that the guy has no-one to fight for him, and so Apollo learns a lesson and takes the case. With this, he fights to put his feelings behind him and get the guy declared innocent.

Bonus points if there's a flashback in which Kristoph visits the orphanage and makes an offer to Apollo, something like this.

:garyuu: I'm willing to find you a home and provide a proper education for you, under one condition. If you complete law school, you will be my pupil at Gavin & Co. Law Offices.

And one more bonus point if the reason behind taking in Apollo is because he knows about the Gramarye Percieve ability and intends to study it and learn more about Zak Gramarye.



O____O THIIIIIIIIS!!!

except for that last bonus point though. Kristoph didn't meet Zak until the Magnifi case. :yuusaku:
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My idea is a case that makes Apollo face his past. No, not the typical "I'm your father who you thought was dead but I was hiding it the entire time haw haw haw".

I'm imagining a case in which his old orphanage is burnt down with twelve people dead. The defendant is a social worker working at that orphanage. The twist is, back in Apollo's youth at the orphanage, he hated the employee's guts. Maybe because of something he did.

An unpleasant reunion with the one person he despised, Apollo initially wanted to drop the case, but is convinced by Phoenix that the guy has no-one to fight for him, and so Apollo learns a lesson and takes the case. With this, he fights to put his feelings behind him and get the guy declared innocent.

Bonus points if there's a flashback in which Kristoph visits the orphanage and makes an offer to Apollo, something like this.

:garyuu: I'm willing to find you a home and provide a proper education for you, under one condition. If you complete law school, you will be my pupil at Gavin & Co. Law Offices.

And one more bonus point if the reason behind taking in Apollo is because he knows about the Gramarye Percieve ability and intends to study it and learn more about Zak Gramarye.



O____O THIIIIIIIIS!!!

except for that last bonus point though. Kristoph didn't meet Zak until the Magnifi case. :yuusaku:


You never know when Kristoph took Apollo in. Maybe Apollo was SUPAH fast in law school.

Anyways, I love that idea. If it doesn't happen, make a fancase of it.

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Kristoph's reason was probably the sketchiest part of my idea. He'd have to have a good reason for going to visit Apollo, he doesn't seem like the type to spontaneously take on a pupil while carefully watching everyone if that pupil didn't have a certain impact.

I wasn't sure about this (and haven't replayed GS4 yet to find out), but what if Kristoph knew about the Gramarye Percieve ability? That could be a reason. Think about it; Apollo could have had trouble making friends at the orphanage because he could always tell when people were nervous and uncertain, which of course, made the people around him nervous. The young Apollo didn't know this was his percieve ability at work of course, but unconsciously using it the whole time.

Maybe the social worker Apollo despises wanted to find out more and exploit Apollo's power for fame and wealth, but was denied using Apollo as a psychological case study by his boss. He succumbs to his darker side and tries to do so anyway, stuff happens and Apollo hates him.
Other than the social worker wanting to find out more about this power, it was mainly kept a secret, though gossip spreads, and through contacts, Kristoph finds out and makes the connection. Thus giving him reason to take in Apollo, so he could learn more about the percieve ability once Apollo started working for him.

EDIT: Though now that you mention it, I suppose the timeline and when Apollo is adopted could become a small issue. I'd take a close look at the timeline if I could, but I'll wait until the site's back up. Or replay the game.
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Coppo, that really is an awesome idea :)
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Yeah, but... Apollo would have to be about... 4 to understand, and... Kristoph'd be... About 15? Still an awesomeness idea. OwO
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Apollo takes the case of his father's death like Phoenix took DL-6. This actually seems likely.
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Well, Apollo doesn't have to be taken in at the start of the standard education age of 5. If orphans do go to school (please educate me, I know nothing :payne: ), then by ensuring a proper education, I mean getting him into private school and getting him entry into Law school.

Kristoph is 25 when he loses to Zak Gramarye, which would make Apollo 14 or 15. If Kristoph finds out about the Gramarye ability within that year and gets Apollo adopted, then Apollo would probably have his last three years of education in private school, then three years in law school. The last year of that seven year gap, Apollo gets employed at Gavin Law Offices, in which he just watches and learns from Kristoph's trials.

As for how Phoenix learns about Apollo, let's say that Apollo, while adopted and in standard education, worked part-time in Gavin Law Offices cleaning up the place or something. That way, after Phoenix gets barred and befriends Kristoph, he could just have visited the office and seen Apollo in a male maid's outfit.

Also, I don't think Kristoph should directly adopt him, but just find him a home with a friend of his. Reason being Apollo only refers to Kristoph has his mentor in 4-1, whereas he would've called him Father if Kristoph adopted him.
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Maybe, if you play as Apollo in the game, The way Phoenix and Apollo meet should be very um, brief.
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What if the idea of how Apollo and Kristoph met was reversed? Instead of Kristoph seeking out Apollo, Apollo somehow finds a way to get Kristoph to visit him, tells him about his plans to become a lawyer, and convinces Kristoph to take him under his wing? I dunno if this would work, but it's another idea...
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What if the idea of how Apollo and Kristoph met was reversed? Instead of Kristoph seeking out Apollo, Apollo somehow finds a way to get Kristoph to visit him, tells him about his plans to become a lawyer, and convinces Kristoph to take him under his wing? I dunno if this would work, but it's another idea...

That's good. I really don't see Krissy seeking out Apollo at all. Unless he has a really good, evil motive behind it. :will:
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You know how GS3 explored Phoenix's past? That's a great idea. You were talking about GS5 exploring Apollo's past.
Yes, it would certainly make sense. Right now Apollo just a random defense attorney off the line who just happened to meet Phoenix. It would be nice if GS5 gave us some more background
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Wouldn't GS6 explore Apollo's past? (Not saying GS5 can't, but still).
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Wouldn't GS6 explore Apollo's past? (Not saying GS5 can't, but still).

That'd give us more games to play! :butzthumbs:
Maybe GS5 could have the last case as a start to exploring is past, like a cliffhanger. So it's harder for us to wait. Heehee. :maya: I think it would have five cases too, since it seems to be the pattern since the first game. (i.e. PW:AA- 5, JFA- 4, T&T- 5, AJ- 4)
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Wait, JFA wasn't really anything story-important...I mean, you know, it was fun and all, but didn't really bring in any more plot twists other than exploring Maya's past a little.

If you think about it, GS5, if it followed the GS1-3 storyline, wouldn't have anything at all to do with Apollo, but rather his sidekicks. To me, it seemed like pretty much everything for the other characters tied up in GS4, except for Apollo. We know nothing about the guys past. It's...kind of unnerving to play as an arbitrary defense attorney with no real past of which to speak. I demand answers!
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Yes, we can give Apollo a former psychotic, killer girlfriend who borders on sociopathy, pathological lying, overextreme cruelty, multipersonality issues, and a twin with different hair color plus overburdened sweetness and charm coupled with sexiness. There you go.
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Well, with JFA Nick's character was expanded on a bit - and he did discover what "being a lawyer meant" to him didn't he?

Isn't the pattern actually 4-4-5? Because originally PW:AA had 4 cases and the bonus one was just for the DS version. So maybe GS5 will only have 4 cases too (I want 5 damnit!)

I like the idea of the last case of GS5 exploring Apollo's past like a cliffhanger. We already had a cliffhanger in AJ though (kind of).
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Well, with JFA Nick's character was expanded on a bit - and he did discover what "being a lawyer meant" to him didn't he?

Isn't the pattern actually 4-4-5? Because originally PW:AA had 4 cases and the bonus one was just for the DS version. So maybe GS5 will only have 4 cases too (I want 5 damnit!)

I like the idea of the last case of GS5 exploring Apollo's past like a cliffhanger. We already had a cliffhanger in AJ though (kind of).


It probably will have only 4 cases, considering GK had 5. And they seem to go in a pattern of 5-4-5-4-5-4-5-4 nowadays.

Maybe it could be an extreme cliffhanger. Like something happens to Apollo and we don't know what'll happen to him and the end just fades into darkness and says "to be continued" and then the game's over.
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It probably will have only 4 cases, considering GK had 5. And they seem to go in a pattern of 5-4-5-4-5-4-5-4 nowadays.

Maybe it could be an extreme cliffhanger. Like something happens to Apollo and we don't know what'll happen to him and the end just fades into darkness and says "to be continued" and then the game's over.


I don't think so. GS1 originally had four cases. There is no real pattern. 4 cases is just as likely as 5.

Games can't end with cliffhangers. It's kind of a rule of thumb. None of the other Ace Attorney games end with cliffhangers. Nah, they all take out the boss in the end. Sequels are made to fit the series, not the other way around.
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Hmm. I think they should give Apollo a love intrest, though... I mean, Feenie had Dahlia/Iris. :yogi:
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