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Iris Hawthorne defied the laws of Physics *SPOILER*Topic%20Title
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Referring to the disposal of Misty Fey's body (AKA Elise dieuxnim.)
When she cut the suspension cable to the bridge, she had to attach it to Elise after. Therefore, the tension the cable had been experiencing at first will not count towards the extra force that magically appeared.

For Physics neophytes, a pendulum does not gain any momentum when swinging. Ideally, without rotational friction or air resistance, there shouldn't be any way for the object swinging as a pendulum to go past it's initial height. It will keep reaching the same height over and over again.

But there was air resistance, (although no rotational friction). So unless Iris lifted Elise over ten feet before swinging, or had the strength to push Elise without losing her balance and falling off the cliff, there's no way Elise ended up ten feet above the cliff.

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Sorry, I dunno much about this forum, so I'm not sure if this topic has been discussed or not. But...it's just something that's been bothering me.

The only explanation I could come up with is that the other side of the cliff was over ten feet below the other in terms of altitude, but it doesn't look like it in the background.
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Nah, she accelerated and threw the body across the cliff. Plus, Iris caught the body, it was Dahlia who threw it.
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Actually that does make sense. However it was Godot who cut the cable and attached the body. Iris was waiting on the other side. And it's clear the bridge is level, so the only way it could happen is if the location where Iris caught the body was 10' lower than the other side.
As for Godot doing it. Idk how strong he was but maybe he had enough strength to lift her body over his head. But that's still a stretch.
Of course you can't spell Godot without "God", so maybe that's part of it :godot:


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No, ten feet lower doesn't work either. I'll have to work out the exact math, but it's much more.
I just explained why
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Spoiler: 3-5
Actually, it was Godot who threw it. =/

This is the Ace Attorney world. Anything can happen. :redd:

Anyways, this should be moved to Hazakurain, yeah?
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Oops, yeah, I-I guess
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I need to replay 3-5. Anyway, :godot: got the body and if you look close enough, there is a 20 foot difference. It makes good enough sense.

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This has got me thinking "experiment time" :notes:
*Goes to try something*
However in this pic':

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It's clear the 2 sides are even in height.

This screams "Mythbusters".
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... Hm... I was looking at another pic.

Anyway, acceleration equals... screw it, the game has many contradictions already.
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You are so right.
In fact...I've made it my life's goal to find those contradictions!

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I don't remember who (I think it was the Judge (?!?)) but someone said the ten foot drop was the result of the difference in height between the two sides of the bridge. So yes, the Inner Temple side was at least ten feet higher than the Hazakura side, regardless of how it appears in the pictures.
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I'll explain now why even ten feet wouldn't cut it.
It's physics, and reports always, according to Franziska Von Karma, contains imperfections.

First of all, ten feet in height as a difference wouldn't work because of one very simple factor: Friction. It WILL slow down the body, not too much, but it will.

And second, if there's a ten foot difference, that obviously means the bridge was slanted...oh wait...nvmd.
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I didn't say there was a ten foot difference. I said the difference in height accounts for the ten foot drop. So obviously the Inner Temple side was more than ten feet higher.
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Let's take a look at the map:

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Now if the dimensions on the map are true. The cable that was used is way longer than the other. This would lead me to think, even with a 10' height diffrence, the body would've smacked into the cliff instead of swinging clear. The height diffrence would have to be even more on the landing side, regardless of how higher the temple side was.
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Very True.
But even though, I have to consider the possibility of high winds, as it was blizzarding and lightninging during that time.
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Another contradiction is the cable itself. Now if it was in fact a steel cable, there's no way Godot could've used a sword or something to cut it. And if the lightning had severed the cable. How did he retreive it from hanging under the bridge?
Now if it was very heavy rope that'd change things.
Some small scale experiments i just did proved my idea of the body hitting the cliff. Even with it higher on the temple side. I'm continuing the tests so see what it takes to make it work.
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We have a thread to discuss contradictions. This belongs there.
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