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Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote:
But wtf, man. Why has Payne tailed Phoenix to Tibet? Can't he do something else other than stalk defense attorneys?
Heh, an amusing thought, but I hope this is just Kurainese (guessing that's the adjective for this country?) Payne. I am actually kinda liking the tradition now to just have Payne (or a version of Payne) for the first trial in every game. Even if it just doesn't make sense...
Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote:
Also, wth, is it me or is something wrong with Phoenix's animations? They look a little rough for a preview.
Hm, I looked over the trailer again, and I don't exactly see it. They animations look a bit, uh, choppy probably to replicate that sprite feel. It's a different direction than what DGS did, but I can't say it's bad or anything. (That said, I think I prefer the smoothness of what I've seen of DGS.)
Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote:
Btw, the new mechanic is called "Spirit Vision". We see the victim's last memories in the Water Mirror.
As we suspected, the girl is the country's oracle princess. She is in charge of revealing visions of the recently departed. Her name is Leifa Padma Kurain.
This, I think is really cool. I really really hope it'll get utilized well, because it can completely make or break the game. The Mood Matrix sounded very cool at first too, but it kinda broke DD for me.
Apollon wrote:
Still though, as if we didn't already have enough Maya hype, now they're throwing around Kurain references. It will be the cruelest twist ever if she actually doesn't show up.
Right? She just HAS to show up. If she doesn't, then... then... Well, ultimately I won't do anything like burn down Capcom or something... But man, I'd be so disappointed. Almost heart-broken, really.
Justice1 wrote:
With spirit mediums... does it mean that we may see the return of Maya and Pearl in this game? Just wondering.
I'm actually interested to see Iris more than Pearl, really. I am one of the few (or rather, it feels like there are only few) people who liked Iris. I don't necessarily want Iris to return just to see her get hooked up with Phoenix, but rather to give Iris a bit more substance and depth. Of course it'll be interesting to see what will happen exactly between Phoenix and Iris if she does show up.
CE53 wrote:
DGS TEAM: "Well, guys, Phoenix in the original series relied on a lot of magic and whatnot to solve his cases. Edgeworth also had a lot of deus ex machina moments as far as logic goes. So, let's have Ryu solve most of his problems on his own. Guilty verdict? Well, he can try to win over the jury. We'll even have the investigation segments be more interesting with Joint Reasoning!"
AA6: "ALRIGHT, MOTHERFUCKERS, I HEARD YOU LIKE FUCKING MAGIC. BOOM, LOOK AT THE POOL, CAN YOU SEE THE VICTIM? I SURE CAN. I ALSO HEARD YOU LIKE SMOOTH ANIMATIONS, SO WE GOT RID OF THOSE. THIS COUNTRY ALSO HAS NO DEFENSE ATTORNEYS BECAUSE PHOENIX NEEDS TO HAVE A REASON TO- I MEAN THE DARK AGE OF THE LAW... OOOH SPOOKY!"
Right, I can definitely see this. And I can see why it bothers a lot of people. Truth be told, I am not 100% comfortable with it either. But ultimately, a grand premise doesn't deter too much from the experience for me. It all depends on the individual cases for me. The game can have a grand premise and thus give the cases that context, but if the case itself is still something spectacular on its own (or sometimes, when tied to other cases) I don't see it as something too different from a great case in the original trilogy.
Apollon wrote:
I have to admit, that magical pool thingy looks pretty interesting. I like the idea of showing the victim's death, it could lead to some interesting possibilities. I wonder if they're going to present it as legitimate like the Kurain Channeling Technique is in series or if there is some kind of trick to the magic like in PL vs AA.
I really think it's something legitimate. This is not a crossover, and it's definitely not Professor Layton, where almost everything mystical has to be explained in a convoluted yet "real" way. And as you mentioned, the Kurain Channeling Technique is something real in the canon series, I can only imagine this mirror (or at least the powers behind it) is as real as can be.
SuperAj3 wrote:
Please don't throw out all the charm that Takumi built up for gimmicks... DD was fine, and I ended up liking it a lot over time, but this at the moment feels less like Takumi's semi-impossible yet still completely comphrehensible scenarios and relatable characters. Now it feels like the Layton games where most non-major characters have no personality that lasts.
Hm, I can see what you mean, I think. You're worried that Phoenix will be too central and too important that all the focus will be on him, meaning all other characters will suffer in both depth and development. It's a legitimate concern, though I don't know how this game exactly already feels like it's like this.
JesusMonroe wrote:
Oh, I guess I don't mind the Objection theme but...c'mon
Couldn't we have gotten something new? I was fine with DD's being a remix of T&T's (a theme I didn't like, but liked the remix of) but now they're remixing a remix? Boooooo
Yeah, I agree with this. I actually DO like the Objection theme (as opposed to some other people here, it seems) but I really would've liked a different objection theme much like the trilogy had a different theme for each game. I 'allowed' it in DD because of the three attorneys and they had to have a theme that was distinctly Phoenix, distinctly Apollo and distinctly Athena (which was easy, since Athena is a new character so any new objection theme would then be her distinct theme).
Shadowsleuth wrote:
I'm hoping there's at least a reason we didn't get even a cursory "and Athena and Apollo are here too" shot.
Truth be told, I hope that means they won't play a big role in this game. I actually really like Apollo (Athena a bit less) but I just think two attorneys is a bit much, let alone three! One attorney + assistant has always been perfect for me. (And no, if the assistant is an attorney and plays an attorney later in the game, I can't completely see them as just an assistant.)
linkenski wrote:
So like it has already been pointed out, yeah, this seems sort of like a rushed trailer, but to be honest I wasn't feeling AAI2 at all, and I felt it looked much worse than AAI, except it turned out it had a pretty decent plot. That's the same vibe I'm getting here, and if it goes like DD, this is the final animations, and this is the final music. And speaking of music.
That's where even if it may be rushed, it just strikes me as completely lazy, how they took the DD theme, transposed it half a note, changed the instrumentation sound font and slapped an alternative coda in there. That did not get me hyped at all, and it also further shows how it may be rushed since there was just the objection 2016 theme and just that.
With DD I was very excited and then less so and less so as more info was revealed. I'm hoping this is the opposite, because right now, I'm actually not too excited for it.
I definitely hope you're right. I really liked what I see, but of course I'm not blind and I can see a lot of room for improvement. If they improve on what I've already seen, then dang, it'll be a really really good game!
Zekrom025 wrote:
Honestly at this point I don't know what to think. The direction Yamazaki wants the series to take is abundantly clear now, from the trailer as well as the comments on the video. People want Phoenix, Maya, Edgeworth, sprites; basically a reboot of the original trilogy, and Capcom knows it. Having Phoenix be the main character, setting the game in "Kurain", all the allusions to Maya; it's almost pandering at this point. I wouldn't be surprised if Gumshoe and Iris came back too. I hope that eventually people realize that in the end seeing these characters on screen written by entirely different people is no substitute for the original series.
Hm, I do want to see some returning characters, true... And I won't deny I want Maya for nostalgia reasons. However, I wouldn't immediately consider it pandering if they oblige. If characters return in a meaningful way (read: not like Pearl), then I am all for it. For example, I actually do think it's possible to bring back Iris in a meaningful way here, and it's what I am hoping for. (Obviously not getting my hopes up too high, though!) Gumshoe? Yeah, that probably would be a bit of a weird one to return at this point.
Zekrom025 wrote:
As many people have pointed out, the plot seems very contrived at first glance (I still can't get over the fact that there's an empty bench in the courtroom that has literally no purpose whatsoever other than to have Phoenix conveniently rush in and take the spot).
I know I will sound like an eternal optimist now, but there might actually be a reason there is a bench there. People have actually speculated that defense attorneys were a thing in the past (they do know the term, after all) and that they were simply deemed obsolete due to the "absolute truth" the mirror provided. They simply didn't feel it necessary to redesign the court. (I imagine that if they were to build a NEW court they'd leave out the defense bench, though.)
Zekrom025 wrote:
(though wouldn't it be more convenient to outright channel the victim? I think that would be a lot more interesting personally...)
Hm, well, consider that Ami Fey created the Channeling Technique in this country and took it with her to... er, Japanifornia. This means that people in the Kingdom of Kurain do have the spirit powers, but NOT the technique, which means they have to rely on this mirror, which is the 'technique' they (or at least, the Oracle Princess) developed without Ami.