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Only slightly. Since the series itself is currently more identified with the Playstation brand, putting Sora in brawl wouldn't exactly be a great move for them. They're probably looking at more mainstream titles, anyway, like Megaman and such.


The thing though is that Nintendo took part in Chain of Memories, which is a crucial step in the KH series. Without it, you know don't why Sora was in a sleeping capsule at the start of KH2, who the Organization XIII are, or Naminé or Axel, or why Rikku and King Mickey are together (or for that matter, why Rikku's missing for so long in KH2). Be like throwing PW2:JFA out and playing PW3:TnT (who's this mean girl with the whip? who's Adrian Andrews? who's Maggey? and why is there another little girl following Phoenix around?!).

Also, I know it's corny, but there is someone from the KH series working on music for Brawl; that may not mean much, heck, may mean nothing. Someone also noticed the Subspace Army looks a lot like Heartless/Nobodies; never know, they do kind of, maybe someone from the art department is there.

I just really hope we dont' get Cloud or Squall or any FF character. They're primarly Playstation, while Sora is of both worlds. Still, with or without him, I'm cool with it all.

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You know, when thinking about it, tonight update is really going to feel... little, compared to today's, eh?
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Yes, I happen to like Ron DeLite. Flaming me for liking a PW Character on PW Fourm is about as effective as going to an AKC Dog Show and trying to insult dogs in any way.


Actually, on that particular metaphor, I'd be inclined to disagree. My mom was a world renowned sheep dog trainer, and actually helped to write some of the rules regarding herding for the AKC. Anyways, the problem with the AKC and dogs is that the AKC is actively encouraging breeding dogs based upon their looks. This is all well and fine for toy dogs, but for working dogs it's detrimental. Within three generations of dog breeding for looks and not for skill the dogs practically loose all built up instinct. You'll have herding dogs that can't herd, hunting dogs that can't hunt etc etc.

You can argue that, hey, you can train them to do anything. Yes that's true, but only to a degree. A dog that's been properly bread as a worker is infinently more competent to the given task then an unbred dog.


As a Dog-Obedience-Instructor-in-Training, I should have realize the I used a terrible metaphor. That certainly is the problem with the AKC but thanfully, there are dozens of organizations in charge of standards for active working, herding, sporting breeds of dogs. That is one the reason you don't see many law enforcment canines with AKC. Instead, they of paper from the organizations like Interquest Detection Canines Law Enforcement Services. And, Yes, I do agree that a dog can only trained to a certain degree. That is the first rule that a Dog Obedience Instructor must come to understand.

Again, Terrible metaphor on my part, Sorry. :sadshoe:
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You know, when thinking about it, tonight update is really going to feel... little, compared to today's, eh?

Perhaps. But then again, a few of the updates after the last Subspace Emissary update sure felt small in comparison, so it's nothing new, really.


So, what will Sonic's stage be? Most are guessing Green Hill Zone, though I'm personally rooting for something more flashy.
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Blademaster_Orca wrote:
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You know, when thinking about it, tonight update is really going to feel... little, compared to today's, eh?

Perhaps. But then again, a few of the updates after the last Subspace Emissary update sure felt small in comparison, so it's nothing new, really.


So, what will Sonic's stage be? Most are guessing Green Hill Zone, though I'm personally rooting for something more flashy.


Kinda hoping for the Egg Carrier or maybe Knuckles Island?
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The thing is, most of Squaresoft's meaningful tenure with Nintendo was in pre-Playstation days, and those were the days before they had major franchises like FF7 and Kingdom Hearts. Any "mascot" of theirs that you see today can't be identified with Nintendo in any way, shape, or form. (Snake has Metal Gear on the NES, at least!)

If anything, I would expect Mog or any of his Moogle buddies to have a phenomonally higher chance of showing up in Brawl, compared to any of the more popular "idols" that are plastered across fanfiction.net like so much ketchup on an undercooked hamburger.
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Or OR...

We could have no Squeenix characters in Brawl and make it sad for some people.

But don't shoot just yet. This is just my personal thoughts I mean a mostly Playstation series in Brawl?

Just no thank you for me.
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WHY DO YOU PEOPLE LIKE SONIC! Honestly, since he turned 3d I think sonic is probably the lamest thing to ever come to consoles. The only good sonic is the 2d sonic. Honestly, the games for him are so lame now. I just cant understand why people think sonic is sooooooooooo great...

They need phoenix wright, waaaaaaaay more than sonic.
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After Adventure 2 it started to suck, but Sonic will always be awesome.
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WHY DO YOU PEOPLE LIKE SONIC! Honestly, since he turned 3d I think sonic is probably the lamest thing to ever come to consoles.

Objection.
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The only good sonic is the 2d sonic. Honestly, the games for him are so lame now.

Then you'll be happy to know that Brawl's gameplay takes place on a 2D plane like most fighters, and that it will probably be the best game he has featured in to date. This is exactly what Sonic needs. People have been rooting for Sonic to be in Smash since Melee a couple years ago, anyways.

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You scare me. Sonic Adventure 2 is in my Top Ten list of games! And no! Just 'cause the 360 and PS3 versions sucked doesn't mean that Sonic sucks in general! Secret Rings was decent as well. And also, what about Sonic Rush? Or Sonic Rush Adventure? And as much as I love PW, I don't think he'll be anything beyond an assist trophy. Not to mention that Sonic being in Smash Bros is a momentous occaision in the video gaming world. Yeah the Olympics game is coming out but there it's just "friendly competion" and "sports." When we thought of a cross-over, we wanted Mario and Sonic beating the crap out of eachother. And now they can.
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Saying a character sucks because his/her/its current game sucks is like saying Pit sucks. After all, the slacker hasn't been on a game since the NES, what a slacker![/sarcasm]

Seriously, people should get over this hatred of Sonic just because they didn't like his current games. Sonic is old-school cool, like Pit, Ice Climbers, Ness, Lucas, and Game & Watch.
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They need phoenix wright, waaaaaaaay more than sonic.


I lol'd.

Phoenix in Brawl as a character would be a phenomenally bad idea. What's he gonna do, object people to death? He's a perfectly normal guy whose biggest skill is his quick thinking. Hell, it's unlikely he'd even get in as a trophy, since that'd be one more third-party franchise to get Capcom to let them use, even if they already used Megaman or something. :yuusaku:
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Phoenix in Brawl as a character would be a phenomenally bad idea. What's he gonna do, object people to death? He's a perfectly normal guy whose biggest skill is his quick thinking. Hell, it's unlikely he'd even get in as a trophy, since that'd be one more third-party franchise to get Capcom to let them use, even if they already used Megaman or something. :yuusaku:


What was Captain Falcon going to do, race them to death?
What was Game & Watch going to do, use 2-D items?
Since when was Zelda capable of combat before SSBM?

Any good video game character can get a good moveset. Phoenix can too. And methinks if they make him a PC, it'll be great. Why you doubting this site's hero?
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Since when was Zelda capable of combat before SSBM?

*cough*Ocarina of Time*cough*

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Any good video game character can get a good moveset. Phoenix can too. And methinks if they make him a PC, it'll be great. Why you doubting this site's hero?

It is true that you can give any character a good move set. Trust me on this, I been hacking Pokemon Movesets since the days of Red and Blue. BUT, to give a character a good, balanced moveset that works with the character while still keeping in flavor of the character is more of a challenge.

Phoenix is a character that can be a good moveset but it's gonna be very hard to keep them within his character context. It doesn't play well in his favor to have him as a playable character. I'm saying that I don't want see him a PC but I honestly don't think he's gonna be a playable character. At most, he would be an AT at the most like Excitebike.
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WHY DO YOU PEOPLE LIKE SONIC! Honestly, since he turned 3d I think sonic is probably the lamest thing to ever come to consoles.

Objection.
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The only good sonic is the 2d sonic. Honestly, the games for him are so lame now.

Then you'll be happy to know that Brawl's gameplay takes place on a 2D plane like most fighters, and that it will probably be the best game he has featured in to date. This is exactly what Sonic needs. People have been rooting for Sonic to be in Smash since Melee a couple years ago, anyways.

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Okay, first off....
AWW HELL YEAH!!!!!
This is the ultimate dream match ever! Hell, it even blows Snake's inclusion right out of the water!
Sonic VS Mario?
The very thought of it has been going on since the last "real 'System Wars'" during the 1980s-1990s.
Now, Sega/Nintendo fans can finally rejoice as the companies' major titans can finally duke it out.

Now, I wish to address all those "Sonic-haters" for a moment.
To those who played their first Sonic game on the Gamecube/PS2/XBX or the "Next-Gen" systems (I'm talking about the "Playstation/XBox Generation"...yes, even the portables), give it a chance.
Both old-school and next-gen fans have been sorely disappointed with the direction the Sonic games have gone so far.
I know it's a bit much to ask, but why do you think such a large fanbase continues to stay by the "Blue Blur" even in his darkest hour?

Character.
No, I'm not going to go into a crazy lecture about freakin' emotions and stuff.
Just look at some of the gaming greats, man.
Titles and icons come and go, but only a few manage to leave a lasting impression in the hearts and minds of those who have experienced it.

To those that have been around since Sonic's "golden age", c'mon!
We all know virtually every 3D Sonic game (except SA1 and SA2, apparently) sucks.
Heck, Castlevania sucked in 3D (Castlevania 64), and look at the new CV games!
Still needs work, though, but that's quite an improvement from their first attempt.
If I'm not mistaken, the "original Sonic Team" hasn't been completely involved with the games for some time.
I believe most of the group's parted ways with the series.

With Sega backing the Brawl, who knows?
Maybe other Sega icons will appear in Brawl.
Streets of Rage, Joe Musashi from the original Shinobi series, Space Channel 5, maybe even (dare I say?) Segata Sanshiro?!
(Don't forget the Shenmue series!)
Heck, Snake can't be the ONLY "mature" gaming icon in Brawl!
Besides, with Sonic in the mix, Robotnik/Eggman can't be far behind....

With this hype, you gotta ask yourself this question:
Will Brawl be delayed yet again?
Sonic/Mario Olympics stated it would be the first game to feature the two characters, so how is that gonna work out with Brawl?
(You can only think of what this is gonna do to the sales...for BOTH games.)
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And now we have Sonic's special moves.

I like his attacks but we saw most of them on the trailer...
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Today we have Sonic's special moves.


His Side-B is the spin dash, which can be combined with a well-placed jump for a two-hit combo. Charging the move just a bit will make it go faster.

B-Down is the Spin Charge. It's like the spin dash, but you can hold yourself in place.

B-Up is the Spring Jump, a move that creates a bumper from the old Sonic games to bounce him high into the air. Doing it on the ground causes the bumper to stay, and other characters can use it.


Pretty good. I wonder what the standard B move is, though, if not that aerial kick move from the trailer.
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Me thinks they're toying with us. The standard B is the only move I couldn't even hypothesize for Sonic.

Although, I do find it odd that Down B is to be used in conjunction with Side B.
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Well, it's brawl. It seems to be pretty strange all over. But Sonic's inclusion is going to be massive. From the day that the first trailer with Snake was shown, millions of gamers (including myself) said "Hey! Snake's not owned by nintendo! Maybe Sonic will be in it too!" And now he is. Free cupcakes for everyone!
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I see, some of Sonic's moves. I guess...
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US Release: February 10th, 2008. Go, erm, commit harakiri or something.

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I hope we Europeans get it at a similar date... ;_;
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I hope we Europeans get it at a similar date... ;_;


February 9th.

JUST TO ANNOY THE AMERICANS.
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im betting everyone will guess the same for sonics final smash...im guess hell transfrom into super sonic
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US Release: February 10th, 2008. Go, erm, commit harakiri or something.

http://wii.ign.com/articles/826/826577p1.html

Normally I'd be upset, but for a game that's looking to be so great I can wait a little while longer. Just gives me more time to enjoy Super Mario Galaxy, anyway, and if they can add to or refine the game further during the additional time, all the more reason to wait. :hobohodo:
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I am so stoked for this game! :sal: I was just thinking of the characters I'd like to see in there. Who do you guys think should be in it?

My votes:

Phoenix Wright
Sonic
Elite Beat Agents/Ouendan Cheerleaders (Preferably the agents, but being a Japanese-made series and the fact that Ouendan's been out longer, they'd have a better chance of showing up in the game)

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Tinker wrote:
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I hope we Europeans get it at a similar date... ;_;


February 9th.

JUST TO ANNOY THE AMERICANS.


I somehow get the feeling it won't be released here before 2009...
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I hope we Europeans get it at a similar date... ;_;


February 9th.

JUST TO ANNOY THE AMERICANS.


I somehow get the feeling it won't be released here before 2009...


Whatever.
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Pretty good. I wonder what the standard B move is, though, if not that aerial kick move from the trailer.

I really don't think that aerial kick is his B move. That kick seems more like a Down+A move to me if anything. The closest thing we have seen so far to it Captain Falcon's Blaze Kick in Melee and that required additional aiming. B alone moves aren't supposed to that complex that it require aiming (OK, maybe holding button might be need though) beyond which to face the character like Fox's Blaster or Snake's Hand Grenade.

My guess is that B Standard Move is that small jump in which goes into a his ball-ish form, spin-hits the oppoenent a few times and drops back on ground on his feet. It's very similar to when in old Sonic game you when would just normal jump, bounce off the top of the enemie's head (sometimes a few times) and land back on the ground afterwards. This can be seen in his intro video as during the close up of his fight with Donkey Kong. We know that's not the Spin Dash since the Spin Dash keeps going in the aim direction after it hits oppenent(s) and not stop in one spot and keep spining. And it's certainly not Spin Charge as there is no charge-up glow around Sonic when he's hitting DK. Hence, This likely the unknown B move we are looking for.

Edit: The quote in Tinker's post below this one says what I was trying to say but much better. Thanks Tinker! :larry2:

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Almost, ButzPuff! :)

"Sonic is also an interesting fighter, as he has a ton of seeking moves. A regular special attack sends him spinning into the air at what seems to be the nearest character, delivering a combo of hits in the process."

http://uk.wii.ign.com/articles/826/826602p1.html
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Lots of stuff has been revealed today Just to name a few:


- Unique character entrances return.

- There are multiple Smash Balls per match. You have to beat them up until they break to use them, so it's a fair chance for all.

- Alternate color schemes return, and there appear to be more variations this time around. "Dark" Link and "evil" Metaknight are particularly awesome.

- Samus' stage is Nofair. Not sure about it, but it involves lava.

- Drill Dozer AT.

- Advance Wars AT. Works much like excitebike, also 2D-ish.

- Metroid AT. Releases a Metroid that attaches to fighters abnd sucks out their health.

- Sonic's FS is indeed Super Sonic. It enables Sonic to fly around freely, and do fully-powered attacks without having to charge up.
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I figured they'd make use of his Homing attack that features so greatly in his 3D adventures. The move that BP mentioned actually looks more like a down-throw.
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WHY DO YOU PEOPLE LIKE SONIC! Honestly, since he turned 3d I think sonic is probably the lamest thing to ever come to consoles. The only good sonic is the 2d sonic. Honestly, the games for him are so lame now. I just cant understand why people think sonic is sooooooooooo great...

They need phoenix wright, waaaaaaaay more than sonic.


Well, I wasn't for Sonic... but the evidence that we had before he was announced was quite Supporting... Mario & Sonic...
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. . . .10th of Feb?!
. . . . . . . . . . . . .I'm so f*!$in pissed right now. I knew it was going to get pushed back but not hit with a damn bat!!! Biggest disappointment this year, f&#@ this.
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. . . .10th of Feb?!
. . . . . . . . . . . . .I'm so f*!$in pissed right now. I knew it was going to get pushed back but not hit with a damn bat!!! Biggest disappointment this year, f&#@ this.


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Tinker wrote:
US Release: February 10th, 2008. Go, erm, commit harakiri or something.

http://wii.ign.com/articles/826/826577p1.html


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Tinker wrote:
US Release: February 10th, 2008. Go, erm, commit harakiri or something.

http://wii.ign.com/articles/826/826577p1.html


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This is how I feel about the delay.

WARNING! Violent. It's MK, after all.
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ZOOOOOOOM! BOING!

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :zap: :headbang: :karma-scream:

At least sonic is in.
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Thanks Sabreae
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