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This has probably been discussed on the forum before, but..

Remember JFA's ending?
Spoiler: JFA ending
When it shows Franziska with the fourth piece of evidence (De Killer's calling card with Phoenix drawn on it) of the final case? She mentioned about waiting for one day when she could meet Phoenix again and give him that final evidence, right?

So why
Spoiler: T&T near ending
Didn't Franziska give Phoenix it when she comes back in T&T? When I realized she was back, I thought for sure there would be a dramatic scene at the end about Franziska giving it back to Phoenix and there being a whole emotional flashback scene, including Phoenix noticing a slight hint of a change of heart in her and whatnot. Or something to that degree.


I was a bit shocked that they didn't even mention it. I guess maybe it would've spoiled the ending of JFA... or maybe I'm just nuts and overrating the importance of it.

EDIT: By the way, T&T was great, I think this was more of a 'shock' than a 'dissapointment'.
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the card was used to show fans that she would return again, and the exact thing she said was "one day... some day...I'm sure we'll meet again in battle. Until then.. this last peice of evidence that never made it to you. I'll take good care of this fourth peice. So i can give it to you... when at last we meet again"

basically she's saying "u get it when we fight" and since the two of them were never in court together, i asume she would continue to hold onto it until they finally "meet again in battle" (hopefully in GS5)
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I know exactly what you mean. When I saw Capcom at the end of the credits, I knew it was over. I was so pissed that they didn't mention the shell card at all, but the overall ending with Pearl and Maya made up for it.
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actually it was

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REALLY young mia and REALLY young maya with the pot


but the shell card thing irked me so bad. I hope Capcom does us a favor and actually brings franziska back in GS5
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Maybe they pulled a KH and forgot about it?

In Kingdom Hearts, it ends with Pluto holding one of King Mickey's letters. It's never brought up in the second game, but in an interview, the creator said "I completely forgot about that".
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Wrestle's last point: Woooow. *facepalm*

Main topic: I think it may have had to do with the fact that Franziska was not such an important character in the last game. Actually, to be honest, she wasn't a really important character in JFA (I sense that I am about to be killed by Franziska fans).

See, JFA didn't really have that much of an overall plot that developed a relationship between Phoenix and Franziska, nor did Franziska's attitude towards Phoenix have that much of a bearing on the plot. Obviously I'm comparing Edgeworth's development throughout AA, and his changed roles in JFA and T&T, as well as Godot's huge role in the plot of T&T (which actually had something of a continuous story for a change.) Franziska is just all "I hates Phoenix!!!" and then isn't even the Prosecutor in JFA's final case. Sure there's the whole ending thing with Edgeworth, but that wasn't all that significant.

I think that when T&T came around they decided that they really didn't want to do anything new with Franziska's character. After all, she doesn't do all that much for the plot in 3-5. What would the card being presented have added to the plot? It had nothing to do with the "main" plot of Godot and would have been superfluous. Had they decided to make Franziska a main character in T&T, it would have made sense for her to present the card. However, she simply comes back in what's little more than a cameo in the third case. The card wouldn't have made sense in that context.

To be fair, the same thing applies to Edgeworth's role in the third game. In JFA his return from supposed death is extremely dramatic and appropriate as he makes a real change. But in T&T he comes back... again. There wasn't any real change in his character or any reason to bring him back, aside from wanting to have all the characters back together.

Don't think that I wasn't glad to see those two back! I love Edgey and Franziska too (to a lesser extent). The purpose of this was just to say that I don't think it would have been appropriate, considering the context of the third game, for Franziska to bring back that card.
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Yeah. She was IMPORTANT, but not super-important. But she's still ahead of "Godot" in importance! *shot*
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Well, if you say so, but I think T&T certainly revolved around Godot more than JFA did around Franziska.
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Well, I mean overall importance. Franziska has "connections" to Miles, Phoenix, Manfred, and even Larry (but no one brings up how Larry started Manfred's "downfall" to losing his case...)
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