Phoenix Wright or Apollo Justice? [spoilers]
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if you had a choice would you rather have phoenix wright ace attorney 4? or apollo justice ace attorney?
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who do you guys like more? phoenix or apollo?
id rather see phoenix keep the ace attorney series going rather than having apollo take over.
what do you guys think?
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Here's my opinion on Apollo:
He looks like a 10-year-old but sounds older than Phoenix. -_-;
So, yeah. I wish Phoenix would've carried on, but I guess I'll have to learn to like Apollo. *sigh*
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But really, apollo and the new cast is cool and all but there's nothing like your first <3 =p
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I honestly can't see why Capcom would trade in Phoenix Wright- Who, thought him, gained hundreds of fans because of his witty inner comments, reliability, and overall identification factor with the player- with Apollo Justice. In my opinion, it was a bad move. The Phoenix Wright population has grown on the characters that Capcom gave us, not just Phoenix (Mia, Edgeworth, Maya, etc.) Now we're given a totally new cast, save for Ema Skye (Who we saw in one case), and Phoenix, who has pretty much been degraded to living as a blackjack dealer. (Blackjack dealer, right? It was either that or piano player.) Oh, and of course the Judge and Gumshoe but that's it. I have no problem with a new prosecutor (We get a new one every game! xD), but I think a new defense attorney is a little over the line.
I'm not going to judge Apollo based on character, because I have not and will not play the game, but I must say that Phoenix's name was better, too. So I'm going to say that, yeah, I would have preferred Phoenix Wright 4.
Bet hey, for GS5, I think it would be really cool to have a choice between Phoenix or Apollo as said before in the thread. Awesome Idea!
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Spoiler: Tagged to be safe. Very, very, minor 4-1 spoilers.
I personally like Apollo better. *shot* Hey, hey! Let me explain first. I'm not going to say I know everything, but I have recieved my copy of AJ and am currently on the 2nd case.
Phoenix lost a lot of my respect for him when I decided to replay the first game before I got AJ. He's rude and sarcastic, wether it be in his mind or not. And AJ only dropped him from the level of "annoyingly sarcastic" to "disgusting bastard." In that game, Phoenix is a completely different person! You see his real side, the one that makes you want to murder him. The second I finsihed the 1st case of AJ, I knew he was only going to get worse from there on out. And he has.
Thank you, that is all.
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I love them both, but after playing the game, I find to prefer Phoenix. And Edgeworth. I want my fussy prosecutor back D;
But both of them are adorable DAs. I would hire either of them XD
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I'll decide which one I'll prefer once I purchase my own copy of AJ... though something tells me I'll prefer Phoenix. :/ Maybe because I'm really used to playing as 'em.
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Which is better - I really can't say. I miss the PW crowd, definitely, but I can get used to the new guys. I'll admit I had misgivings at first, mainly with the overly bishonen main cast, but they grew on me pretty quick. And come on, Oreo-chan's adorable.
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You see his real side, the one that makes you want to murder him.
Now, this I have to disagree with. Putting murder aside for now (because I still love the guy, even if you don't), I don't see how this is a "side" of him. It's just who he is now. You say he's a completely different person. Of course he is. He's lost his badge, his career, and his life apparently pretty much sucks now. And some spoilery things happened with a certain person THAT I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT [/denial] Yeah, he's changed a lot in the last seven years, but can you really blame him?
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twelve by pies wrote:
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You see his real side, the one that makes you want to murder him.
Now, this I have to disagree with. Putting murder aside for now (because I still love the guy, even if you don't), I don't see how this is a "side" of him. It's just who he is now. You say he's a completely different person. Of course he is. He's lost his badge, his career, and his life apparently pretty much sucks now. And some spoilery things happened with a certain person THAT I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT [/denial] Yeah, he's changed a lot in the last seven years, but can you really blame him?
Alright, so perhaps it isn't a whole other side of him. But that doesn't change the fact that that's the kind of person he is, or was, for that matter. And yes, I can blame him. It's his fault he turned out like that. Just as it is my fault that I turned out to be the person I am today. We are whatever we make of ourselves, and nothing can change that. So what, his life sucks, he lost of badge, blah blah blah. That doesn't change how I feel about him.
P.S. I'm sorry if I seem rude whenver I talk about this topic. I... guess what's happening is that I just want our old Feenie back, and not the sarcastic b***h in AJ.
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I <3 Edgeworth wrote:
It's his fault he turned out like that.
You got the whole thing wrong, but the thread says no spoilers allowed here. If you want, I can tell you the whole truth by PMing you. If not, then just keep playing until the very end of AJ and see what you think then.
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Phoenix is the ol' loveable, and Apollo is just too damn cute.
I can't choose!
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Mr.Trite wrote:
I refuse to play Apollo Justice.
I honestly can't see why Capcom would trade in Phoenix Wright- Who, thought him, gained hundreds of fans because of his witty inner comments, reliability, and overall identification factor with the player- with Apollo Justice. In my opinion, it was a bad move. The Phoenix Wright population has grown on the characters that Capcom gave us, not just Phoenix (Mia, Edgeworth, Maya, etc.) Now we're given a totally new cast, save for Ema Skye (Who we saw in one case), and Phoenix, who has pretty much been degraded to living as a blackjack dealer. (Blackjack dealer, right? It was either that or piano player.) Oh, and of course the Judge and Gumshoe but that's it. I have no problem with a new prosecutor (We get a new one every game! xD), but I think a new defense attorney is a little over the line.
I'm not going to judge Apollo based on character, because I have not and will not play the game, but I must say that Phoenix's name was better, too. So I'm going to say that, yeah, I would have preferred Phoenix Wright 4.
Bet hey, for GS5, I think it would be really cool to have a choice between Phoenix or Apollo as said before in the thread. Awesome Idea!
I honestly can't see why Capcom would trade in Phoenix Wright- Who, thought him, gained hundreds of fans because of his witty inner comments, reliability, and overall identification factor with the player- with Apollo Justice. In my opinion, it was a bad move. The Phoenix Wright population has grown on the characters that Capcom gave us, not just Phoenix (Mia, Edgeworth, Maya, etc.) Now we're given a totally new cast, save for Ema Skye (Who we saw in one case), and Phoenix, who has pretty much been degraded to living as a blackjack dealer. (Blackjack dealer, right? It was either that or piano player.) Oh, and of course the Judge and Gumshoe but that's it. I have no problem with a new prosecutor (We get a new one every game! xD), but I think a new defense attorney is a little over the line.
I'm not going to judge Apollo based on character, because I have not and will not play the game, but I must say that Phoenix's name was better, too. So I'm going to say that, yeah, I would have preferred Phoenix Wright 4.
Bet hey, for GS5, I think it would be really cool to have a choice between Phoenix or Apollo as said before in the thread. Awesome Idea!
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Apollo Justice? More like Apollo Injustice amirite?
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However...I really really dislike Apollo's voice in the English version. I know he's 22 year old , but Capcom you want him looks like a boy, don't you? How could he sounds so old in English while he's still a teenage boy in Japanese?
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火曜日 wrote:
while he's still a teenage boy
Since when is being 22 years old considered to be teenager years? I'd consider that a young adult, much like Phoenix was during his collage/university days.
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I love the idea of being able to choose between Apollo and Phoenix for GS5 though.
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As for who I like better, there's no way I can choose! Going in, I thought that although I'd enjoy AJ, there was no way he could really replace my hero Phoenix. But Apollo is as worthy and likeable a hero as Phoenix ever was. I disagree with I <3 Edgeworth about Phoenix's new personality, but this isn't the place to discuss that. Anyway, both are great and I can't wait to see more of Polly!
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Regy Rusty wrote:
I'm kind of shocked that we've got people here who would refuse to play Apollo Justice because it doesn't star Phoenix Wright. I mean, you were willing enough to give a game about a lawyer a chance once, but now that the lawyer has changed you don't want to play it? Where did this short-sighted stubborness come from? You're cheating yourselves out of a truly great game. And believe me, you get more than enough Phoenix in this game (some might even say you get too much.) Don't judge something before you've experienced it. [/annoyed rant]
While I somewhat agree, because one of my 'rules' is to never give something a final judgment until you see ALL of the perspectives etc.... I have to say that it is their opinion. If they don't want to play AJ, so be it.
By the way, everyone seems to be saying that Phoenix will be the main lawyer in GS5. Well, somehow I doubt it. It's possible, but it's only an assumption. Let's wait for official information about GS5 to come before assuming anything for GS' future.
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Mr.Trite wrote:
I refuse to play Apollo Justice.
I honestly can't see why Capcom would trade in Phoenix Wright- Who, thought him, gained hundreds of fans because of his witty inner comments, reliability, and overall identification factor with the player- with Apollo Justice. In my opinion, it was a bad move. The Phoenix Wright population has grown on the characters that Capcom gave us, not just Phoenix (Mia, Edgeworth, Maya, etc.) Now we're given a totally new cast, save for Ema Skye (Who we saw in one case), and Phoenix, who has pretty much been degraded to living as a blackjack dealer. (Blackjack dealer, right? It was either that or piano player.) Oh, and of course the Judge and Gumshoe but that's it. I have no problem with a new prosecutor (We get a new one every game! xD), but I think a new defense attorney is a little over the line.
I'm not going to judge Apollo based on character, because I have not and will not play the game, but I must say that Phoenix's name was better, too. So I'm going to say that, yeah, I would have preferred Phoenix Wright 4.
Bet hey, for GS5, I think it would be really cool to have a choice between Phoenix or Apollo as said before in the thread. Awesome Idea!
I honestly can't see why Capcom would trade in Phoenix Wright- Who, thought him, gained hundreds of fans because of his witty inner comments, reliability, and overall identification factor with the player- with Apollo Justice. In my opinion, it was a bad move. The Phoenix Wright population has grown on the characters that Capcom gave us, not just Phoenix (Mia, Edgeworth, Maya, etc.) Now we're given a totally new cast, save for Ema Skye (Who we saw in one case), and Phoenix, who has pretty much been degraded to living as a blackjack dealer. (Blackjack dealer, right? It was either that or piano player.) Oh, and of course the Judge and Gumshoe but that's it. I have no problem with a new prosecutor (We get a new one every game! xD), but I think a new defense attorney is a little over the line.
I'm not going to judge Apollo based on character, because I have not and will not play the game, but I must say that Phoenix's name was better, too. So I'm going to say that, yeah, I would have preferred Phoenix Wright 4.
Bet hey, for GS5, I think it would be really cool to have a choice between Phoenix or Apollo as said before in the thread. Awesome Idea!
My sentiments exactly.
I've grown far too attached to the characters of the first three games to really want to get used to an entirely new cast :/ Would've been so much better if it were like T+T where you had one or two cases that you played as a different defense attorney...but that's it o_0
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Phoenix has his whole witty, sarcastic attitude with a willing personality, where in which you have the younger Apollo who is lost in the "ohgawdwhattfreakinghecrapisgoingon" while humorously trying to keep a straight face but managing his troubles.
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I rather like the both of them, but anyone who knows a lick about me knows that I'm a Phoenix fan. I just adore his wit and assertiveness while arguing cases. And he's the more attractive of the two as far as I'm concerned.
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Defense Attorneys: Phoenix Wright > Mia Fey > Apollo Justice
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and.................... 
BUt seriously i would choose phoenix (and all the other original characters like
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Mia_Fey wrote:
I'm just not sure that its a fair comparison by this point. We've had three games to get to know Phoenix (plus his actions in this game) and one to get to know Apollo. So I love both is my answer and I refuse to chose between them until the playing field has been evened so I can give Apollo a fair shot. Poor Apollo. He's got quite the hard road ahead of him trying to take over for Phoenix. Let's give him some love and a chance.
Amen to that. *Claps*
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Super Judge Bro. wrote:
Mia_Fey wrote:
I'm just not sure that its a fair comparison by this point. We've had three games to get to know Phoenix (plus his actions in this game) and one to get to know Apollo. So I love both is my answer and I refuse to chose between them until the playing field has been evened so I can give Apollo a fair shot. Poor Apollo. He's got quite the hard road ahead of him trying to take over for Phoenix. Let's give him some love and a chance.
Amen to that. *Claps*
More like thunderous applause, SJB.
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I <3 Edgeworth wrote:
More like tunderous applause, SJB.
Sorry, but what does tunderous mean? :/
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As of right now, my opinion stands, but that may well change with the release of future games.
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Super Judge Bro. wrote:
I <3 Edgeworth wrote:
More like tunderous applause, SJB.
Sorry, but what does tunderous mean? :/
*face palm* Ah, sorry, my fingers seem to be screwing up tonight. That should be "thunderous." As in, "like thunder." I apoligize.
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I <3 Edgeworth wrote:
*face palm* Ah, sorry, my fingers seem to be screwing up tonight. That should be "thunderous." As in, "like thunder." I apoligize.
Ah yes... well then...
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And if you really love Phoenix that much, there's more than enough of him in Apollo Justice. Without spoiling anything, one could say he dominates the plot.
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Apollo is slow, (he gets better later in the game, so it's probably just lack of experience) but he's seems more snappy and judgmental with his remarks, and the best part is, he doesn't keep much of it to himself, ensuing entertaining convos. He's also the only one who could counter Wrights' stepladder argument.
Phoenix is sharper and realizes things faster, and that may just come from experience, as he is sometimes slow to catch on, but he's still got funny remarks, though not as much as Apollo. As for later Phoenix, I think he's cool, sort of like Godot, and I think he may have even gotten sharper. 4-1 was just epic.
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