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I'm not sure if there's a topic for this.... Oh well.

Non-Japanese manga has been on the rise for the past few years. You can even buy some from your local bookstore. It's often looked down upon ("It's not manga if it's not japanese! blah blah blah) but there have been talents rising all over the world, helped by programs and contests such as "Rising Stars of Manga". These foreign artists are bringing a fresh new life into manga: trying different styles and covering material some Japanese mangaka won't do.

Here are my favorites:

Dramacon by Svetlana Chmakova: My absolute favorite. Although there are only three volumes, this gem stands out. Actually, it's partially about the anime and manga fandom in America. A girl named Christie goes to an anime convention with her friends as the writer in a manga collaboration. Once there she runs into a mysterious cosplayer who will change her life forever. It deals with a surprising amount of issues and emotions, especially in the later volumes. It's very well drawn and well-written with lovable characters and a great story. What else do you need?

Bizenghast by M. Alice LeGrow: An interesting gothic-styled tale. An orphaned girl named Dinah lives in the old, haunted town of Bizenghast. She and her only friend, Vincent, come across an ancient mausoleum. They are then bound to work there to help restless spirits find their peace. The price for refusing to do the job is Dinah's own life. As she finds out more about the town's tortured past and encounters more and more horrifying spirits, can Dinah keep her sanity long enough to complete her task? Immersed in impressive detail, Bizenghast is a very interesting read.

The Dreaming by Queenie Chan: Similar to Bizenghast in some ways, this Australian manga is haunting. Identical twins Jeanie and Amber are sent to an old boarding school, where their aunt was recently appointed as principal. Soon after arriving, the girls realize that something strange is going on in this school. There are stories of girls vanishing without a trace and the scary old vice principal watches them warily. But most mysterious of all is their frightening dreams, which may be the key to the disappearances and the school's dark past. The art is done with incredible detail, especially in the Victorian-style dresses that appear frequently. Queenie Chan has a great grip on atmosphere: the manga actually feels creepy. It also presents an interesting mix of Victorian and Australian culture.

So, you're free to critique and suggest manga to others. If you're a newcomer to non-Japanese manga then this is an interesting genre to get into.
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Manga are comic books like futanari are dickgirls. Same thing, different way to say it, so it's pointless to criticize them just for that.

Anyway, it's hard for me to get into non-Japanese manga because ironically(but obviously), it's hard to find in these parts, heh. I'll try and dig around to see what I can find, though.
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here in Indonesia we have some pretty awesome local manga. most of the local mangas aren't that good, but some are really good.
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Basically, there aren't any non-Japanese manga, because Manga, the word, means comic in Japanese, but is often used as a one word for Japanese comics. However, there are many artists who THINK there are a "Manga-style" of drawing comics (big eyes, sharp noses etc.) and have started drawing with this "style" because manga (Japanese comics) have arrived in Europe too (wow how did they do that) and are hot stuff right now. They (ex. Katy Coope) have even gone doing their own "How to Draw Manga" books which should be known as:"A book which tells you how to draw big eyes and guys with mouths over their chins."

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And what's with all of the emphasized text? :/ This isn't PW.
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DO YOU MEAN A GRAPHIC NOVEL?

BECAUSE COMICS AND GRAPHIC NOVELS ARE DIFFERENT. COMICS IN JAPAN ARE REFERRED TO AS COMIKU.

Also most OEL "manga" are made by koreans so technically its manwha
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I usually stray away from those because... they tend to be poor in quality.

I did read Dramacon though. It was... okay. I've seen actual art of Svetlana Chmakova in which she can ACTUALLY draw and do forms in art, compared to OEL artists (who seem to come off only able to draw in that "style" , and nothing else) So I respect her for that.

And I've seen concept art of Bizenghast in various promos which is pretty interesting (and disturbing), but I doubt the plot is something to get worked over.

I cringe when I call them manga, I call them graphic novels. >:

Counterpointing the pizza argument in Dramacon, pizza are differentiated by their city/country names: New York-style; Hawaiian; etc. So there's no harm there.
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Watatata~! wrote:
I usually stray away from those because... they tend to be poor in quality.

I did read Dramacon though. It was... okay. I've seen actual art of Svetlana Chmakova in which she can ACTUALLY draw and do forms in art, compared to OEL artists (who seem to come off only able to draw in that "style" , and nothing else) So I respect her for that.

And I've seen concept art of Bizenghast in various promos which is pretty interesting (and disturbing), but I doubt the plot is something to get worked over.

I cringe when I call them manga, I call them graphic novels. >:

Counterpointing the pizza argument in Dramacon, pizza are differentiated by their city/country names: New York-style; Hawaiian; etc. So there's no harm there.


Yeah, Bizenghast's plot isn't the best thing in the world, but it keeps the art interesting. :)

Many non-japanese manga (or graphic novels) can be low quality, but there are also hidden gems among them. Come to think of it, there's low-quality Japanese manga too. XD
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Yeah, Bizenghast's plot isn't the best thing in the world, but it keeps the art interesting. :)

Many non-japanese manga (or graphic novels) can be low quality, but there are also hidden gems among them. Come to think of it, there's low-quality Japanese manga too. XD


When I want a break from manga I read Korean manwha.
It's better that OEL shit.
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and... the difference between comics and graphic novels is... what? O_o
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choco-yukawa wrote:
and... the difference between comics and graphic novels is... what? O_o


Comics could bring up the image of a "comic strip" and a lot of graphic novels are not very "comical". XD Really, "graphic novel" is a fancy way of saying a longer book in comic book format.
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I loved Dramacon.
I also like RE:Play alot. its by a weaboo bleach fan, but...thats okay.
I like Roadsong too.
My Cat Loki was good, but I can understand what its being discontinued.

I read Steday Beat.
It was horrible.


And, you're talking non-japanese, not strictly OEL...so...manhwa anyone?
Korean manga is good too.
I love Angel Diary.

oh. and I call it manga. because thats what it is.

(how many times did I edit this DX)
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Black-Harmonia wrote:
I loved Dramacon.
I also like RE:Play alot. its by a weaboo bleach fan, but...thats okay.
I like Roadsong too.
My Cat Loki was good, but I can understand what its being discontinued.

I read Steday Beat.
It was horrible.


And, you're talking non-japanese, not strictly OEL...so...manhwa anyone?
Korean manga is good too.
I love Angel Diary.

oh. and I call it manga. because thats what it is.

(how many times did I edit this DX)


I've heard from several people that there is very good Korean manga, but I've never read any. :/
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choco-yukawa wrote:
and... the difference between comics and graphic novels is... what? O_o


Comics are just basically oneshots. Graphic novels usually are a collection of oneshots or a story in itself.

The Japanese word for comic is comikku, the Japanese word for Graphic novel is manga, Tankoban are the individual books.
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You mean Manwha?....I read it a lot and love Black God. I believe Sekieri (Probably spelt wrong...) is also Manwa too....Let me find my friends list of super Manwha he owns....I think ID eNTITY is one....
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I don't really like American manga, for the pure fact I don't like the style. Its too clean cut because so many of them use the same STYLE! They all look the same to me! D:

I did enjoy Aoi House though, and thats about it.

I adore Manwha though. Tarot Cafe, The Queen's Knight, and PhD: Phantasy Degree are my faves

Bizenghast was so-so. Can't understand what is going on though...
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Lolita_Kitten wrote:
I don't really like American manga, for the pure fact I don't like the style. Its too clean cut because so many of them use the same STYLE! They all look the same to me! D:



thats kinda closed minded way of thinking about.
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Black-Harmonia wrote:
Lolita_Kitten wrote:
I don't really like American manga, for the pure fact I don't like the style. Its too clean cut because so many of them use the same STYLE! They all look the same to me! D:



thats kinda closed minded way of thinking about.


Its not the ONLY reason I don't like them, but, you have to have a damn good story line for me to read something when I don't like the style. =/
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OMFG wrote:
choco-yukawa wrote:
and... the difference between comics and graphic novels is... what? O_o


Comics are just basically oneshots. Graphic novels usually are a collection of oneshots or a story in itself.

The Japanese word for comic is comikku, the Japanese word for Graphic novel is manga, Tankoban are the individual books.


but 4-panel strip comics are called 4koma manga. and honestly I've never heard the word komikku ever.

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I don't really like American manga, for the pure fact I don't like the style. Its too clean cut because so many of them use the same STYLE! They all look the same to me! D:

I did enjoy Aoi House though, and thats about it.


I agree! it's as if they don't try to develop their own style... japanese manga based style can have variations too!
But maybe that's because when I read a manga I usually study the art too, since every artists has their own style.

I like Aoi House too :)
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If you really want to be anal, "manhwa" is actually what Koreans use for cartoons. "Manhwa-chek" is comic books.
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If you really want to be anal, "manhwa" is actually what Koreans use for cartoons. "Manhwa-chek" is comic books.

Did not know that....Thanks. And I don't care what I am supposed to call it as long as I like it, I could care less.
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I suppose saying it "manhwa" is just saving space, rather than typing it "korean comics", since it means the same, no?
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Eh, it's up to the preference of the individual. Koreans are gonna call it "manhwa-chek", everyone else's gonna call it "manhwa".

More anal info: manga and manhwa are the exact same word(same Chinese characters), and as such, have similar meanings(basically, manga can also mean cartoons). It's just since the Japanese started using "anime" a lot more, manga has become more affiliated with Japanese comics. In the case of "manhwa" though, since it's a bit more broader, the Koreans have decided to use "manhwa" for cartoons, "manhwa-chek" for comics, and "manhwa-yonghwa" for animated movies(like uhhh Lion King and Princess Mononoke).
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wait wait, how could manga and manhwa are the same Chinese characters? japanese and chinese characters are similar, but korean characters look different for me. That said, I don't study the language...

speaking of manhwa, Ragnarok (of Ragnarok Online) is pretty good, too bad Lee Myung Jin doesn't seem to continue making it. :<
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choco-yukawa wrote:
wait wait, how could manga and manhwa are the same Chinese characters? japanese and chinese characters are similar, but korean characters look different for me. That said, I don't study the language...


A lot of Korean words are actually borrowed from Chinese(this is the same regarding Japanese words being borrowed from Chinese). Koreans used to use Chinese characters(known as "hanja" in Korean), but after a while they decided to use hangul only.

A LOT of Koreans have Chinese characters for their names, as well. For example, mine is 李太喜. It's just it's rarely ever used, except for filling out legal documents or whatever.
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Speaking of which White Night Melody completely turned me off of manhua (Chinese manga).

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Random one-page flashback then it goes into the present without any clue on the story whatsoever. Being obviously targeted for younger girls, it's obviously very hard to comprehend for one to in take. They only hint throughout on who the characters are or were, or even what the hell is going on. Even by the end of the first volume you STILL don't know what the hell just happened.

Basically the one-page flashback consists of a couple probably getting killed. AND THAT'S IT. ONE PAGE. TWO PANELS. Then it goes to the present where it shows these two chibi people chasing after a little kid and causing a rumble. The parents of the kid settle the matter revealing these deformed guys are dolls. Talking...moving dolls? Okay. Considering they look like the very vague couple on the first page, they were probably cursed to be dolls some hundred years ago for...some reason. But how did these couple get them? It's NEVER REVEALED. And why are they moving and talking if they are dolls? NEVER REVEALED EITHER. Okay so some weird shit happens and the dolls turn back into humans in their young appearance and deal with the abnormality and issues of present day at a high school. Then it goes through some other events where they encounter "VERY FAMILIAR PEOPLE" with one panel short flashbacks that I can't even read. At this point I'm still lost. Extremely, lost. And at the end, of volume 1: NOTHING GETS RESOLVED. It ends with "VERY FAMILIAR ISN'T SHEEEE?!11" collapsing or something. Yeah.

The author keeps referencing like it's part of series and things like "these characters before", which can maybe equate to the prequel of this story was never translated. But then it later goes to how she enjoys "using these people for different stories" suggesting every story she made involving them has no connection at all.

So if it was connected to any other story shouldn't there be any indication of it even in the localized version?

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I read a good Korean manga called aflame Inferno. Very good art and a decent story line!
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choco-yukawa wrote:
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and... the difference between comics and graphic novels is... what? O_o


Comics are just basically oneshots. Graphic novels usually are a collection of oneshots or a story in itself.

The Japanese word for comic is comikku, the Japanese word for Graphic novel is manga, Tankoban are the individual books.


but 4-panel strip comics are called 4koma manga. and honestly I've never heard the word komikku ever.


That's because it's mostly used by producers and doujin circles, though most readers use the native term "manga". Also, I was wrong about the spelling, give me a break most of this is from the top of my head.

Also source http://www.dnp.co.jp/museum/nmp/nmp_i/a ... anga2.html

And I wasn't talking about 4koma, I was talking about actual oneshot manga.
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Are we just talking about stuff not originally published in Japan, or what...?

If you actually look up stuff I list, be warned I tend to like things that follow stereotypes or would not be considered very original by critics. Also, once I get to the english ones, they're mostly online ones.

Korean:
Witch Hunter
Ares (good at the beginning, but once the main characters go different directions, it sucks)
Kill Me Kiss Me (Unfortunately, the crossdressing goodness ends at Volume 1)

English (manga style): (BTW, I only say english because the country of origin for some might no necessarily be the United States)
BAAU Down anthologies - ...not a series, but they have had pretty good manga-style short comics in them. Unfortunately, the quality has gone down a bit (some of their best members have either left or failed to contribute for the last two years)
Red String - Shoujo to the max. Well, not really, but pretty close while still being good and serious.
Megatokyo - ...what? I know most of us have heard of it, but it's good. It makes fun of and brings out the best of anime stereotypes.
Misfile - Your typical boy-turns-girl story. But with angels and cars.
Sparkling Generation Valkyrie Yuuki - Another boy-turns girl story. Be warned: there's a lot of fanservice. A LOT. Valkyrie Yuuki has to save the world! But as a guy in mind and girl in body, he's easily distracted.

English (western-ish):
Lullaby (Hector Sevilla) - imo, a must read. Yeah, it's another "warped fairy tale" story, but it's written well. The fairy tale characters retain enough of their selves to have that familiar feel, but have extra quirks and twists that make them unique. (can be read on wowio when it goes back online if you have an account, if not, buy it)
Feather (Steve Uy) - I've only read the last issue, but it had a great mix of action and bittersweet sadness to it.
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At my school's book fair, I found this awesome American manga called "Destiny's Hand". It's about a bunch of pirates sailing an invincible ship name Destiny's Hand. They're searching for a treasure with immense power in order to keep it out of the greedy, evil hands of other pirates. The ship is captained by a dying Captian Blake, known as The Gentleman Pirate. However, the main character is a pirate girl (with two huge freaking guns) named Olivia.

It's pretty awesome. I want the second volume.
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shorten: I think english manga is a stupid name

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Speaking of TokyoPop they have been publishing more regular comic books recently and they are in fact labeled "Graphic Novels".
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Speaking of TokyoPop they have been publishing more regular comic books recently and they are in fact labeled "Graphic Novels".


Ha, you don't say? They're... weird.
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Over here in the UK, we've got a really cool little manga studio called Sweatdrop.

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I bought this manga from there.

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I only read one Korean Manwha...Hissing. (I jacked it from Borders :karma: )


It is a little alright.
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