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Emperor Ing wrote:
All right, we'll make a fanfiction about Joe Darke where it turns out he was the good guy!
I'm not saying he was a good guy.
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SaraVera wrote:
Emperor Ing wrote:
All right, we'll make a fanfiction about Joe Darke where it turns out he was the good guy!
I'm not saying he was a good guy.
Don't worry about Mr Ing, his posts have been getting increasingly ridiculous and obtuse these days I generally disregard them now.
Still Caelestis has a solid point with her versions and all of them can be true
The Jury's out on this one I'd say but I sympathise with him.
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Herr Blondie wrote:
Hehe he could always have tried to plead insanity...I think it's justified.
Yeah, but Yanni Yogi did that as well, and look where that got him :/
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Franziska1959 wrote:
Herr Blondie wrote:
Hehe he could always have tried to plead insanity...I think it's justified.
Yeah, but Yanni Yogi did that as well, and look where that got him :/
Unlike Yanni Yogi it's highly likely Darke was mildly insane.
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Herr Blondie wrote:
Franziska1959 wrote:
Herr Blondie wrote:
Hehe he could always have tried to plead insanity...I think it's justified.
Yeah, but Yanni Yogi did that as well, and look where that got him :/
Unlike Yanni Yogi it's highly likely Darke was mildly insane.
Very true, since... er......
One would not murder someone for just witnessing an accident amarite?
Personally, every time I think of this case I think of Walter from Silent Hill 4... (the whole OMG kill kill! Type of personallity)
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I know! Lets let him go with a sharp tap on the back, restore his driver's license, and oh, this knife that's still got blood on it, it's yours isn't it?
Why are you looking at me that way Darke?
... Darke?
Darke, no I don't need to see how your knife works.
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Wooster wrote:
I feel sorry for Darke,
I know! Lets let him go with a sharp tap on the back, restore his driver's license, and oh, this knife that's still got blood on it, it's yours isn't it?
Why are you looking at me that way Darke?
... Darke?
Darke, no I don't need to see how your knife works.
DARRRR-*Splurt*
I know! Lets let him go with a sharp tap on the back, restore his driver's license, and oh, this knife that's still got blood on it, it's yours isn't it?
Why are you looking at me that way Darke?
... Darke?
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DARRRR-*Splurt*
YAY! I MOVE UP IN STATUS!
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But seriously now, Joe Darke was pretty psychotic... I mean, SURE, you can give him "Respect Points" for coming forth about his crimes (And "Dumb Move Points"!)... Though him running into the Head Detectives' Room and attacking a little girl was pretty heartless...
I wonder if he was yelling "I DIDN'T KILL HIM!" when it came to Neil Marshall though...
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Wrestlemania wrote:
Wooster wrote:
I feel sorry for Darke,
I know! Lets let him go with a sharp tap on the back, restore his driver's license, and oh, this knife that's still got blood on it, it's yours isn't it?
Why are you looking at me that way Darke?
... Darke?
Darke, no I don't need to see how your knife works.
DARRRR-*Splurt*
I know! Lets let him go with a sharp tap on the back, restore his driver's license, and oh, this knife that's still got blood on it, it's yours isn't it?
Why are you looking at me that way Darke?
... Darke?
Darke, no I don't need to see how your knife works.
DARRRR-*Splurt*
YAY! I MOVE UP IN STATUS!
*record-scratch*
But seriously now, Joe Darke was pretty psychotic... I mean, SURE, you can give him "Respect Points" for coming forth about his crimes (And "Dumb Move Points"!)... Though him running into the Head Detectives' Room and attacking a little girl was pretty heartless...
I wonder if he was yelling "I DIDN'T KILL HIM!" when it came to Neil Marshall though...
Hehe the one that got away.
Wonder if he feels cheated knowing he was framed in hell.
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He hits someone with his car, and kills them. Sure, he might have gone insane after realizing he killed someone and that his life was screwed over, but to go and kill every witness (5, in fact) that meticulously, so that there were no fingerprints, cells, hair fibers left over, etc. etc. is going past the heat of the moment/insanity. Unless Darke's ancestor was an assassin, and that side of his personality showed up only when he was in severe danger. But, yeah, I am thankful for a couple that Darke did. He created the entire storyline for 1-5, and for that, I love him.
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Herr Blondie wrote:
Franziska1959 wrote:
Herr Blondie wrote:
Hehe he could always have tried to plead insanity...I think it's justified.
Yeah, but Yanni Yogi did that as well, and look where that got him :/
Unlike Yanni Yogi it's highly likely Darke was mildly insane.
Unless Robert Hammond was his attorney too...
Maybe Darke knew what happened to Yanni Yogi and didn't want to go the insanity route.
I can't really have sympathy for someone who tried to kill a 14 year old girl.
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What if she was 21?
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methinks sympathy should go to Mr. Goodman before it goes to Darke....
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NinjaMonkey wrote:
I have a bit of sympathy for Darke, only because he was executed for a crime he didn't commit.
Killing 5 people and attempting to kill another is pretty inexcusable, though...
Killing 5 people and attempting to kill another is pretty inexcusable, though...
Exactly my point.
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Phoenix_Apollo wrote:
Like her age even matters.
What if she was 21?
What if she was 21?
You're right, age doesn't matter. It's inexsucable to murder anyone, unless your life depented on it. People who try to kill children are the worst. Though I guess she is a teen, but still.
Though it's just as bad to execute an innocent person.
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rydus65 wrote:
Phoenix_Apollo wrote:
Like her age even matters.
What if she was 21?
What if she was 21?
You're right, age doesn't matter. It's inexsucable to murder anyone, unless your life depented on it. People who try to kill children are the worst. Though I guess she is a teen, but still.
Though it's just as bad to execute an innocent person.
He was mentally unstable though, and he was still framed plus remember he didn't murder Ema anyway. Partially due to his own actions in attempting to turn himself in where there are plenty of Lawmen and women to stop him. If he'd wanted to get away with it he wouldn't have picked a murder scene in the middle of the police station he'd probably just stab someone on the street.
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Though it's just as bad to execute an innocent person.
Really though, Darke wasn't innocent. There was nothing in the game that even hinted Darke might not have actually committed the 5 murders, even after admitting that evidence was forged against him. The fact that he turned himself in and then almost immediately tried to kill two other people pretty much proves to the audience he was the culprit; they just didn't have the evidence to prove it.
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Croik wrote:
rydus65 wrote:
Though it's just as bad to execute an innocent person.
Really though, Darke wasn't innocent. There was nothing in the game that even hinted Darke might not have actually committed the 5 murders, even after admitting that evidence was forged against him. The fact that he turned himself in and then almost immediately tried to kill two other people pretty much proves to the audience he was the culprit; they just didn't have the evidence to prove it.
This is very true. But I think it would have been more interesting had it been more ambiguous, since the whole case involves lies and forging evidence and the possibility of convicting innocent people. If even Darke's guilt was questionable... I dunno, I just think it adds something.
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Croik wrote:
rydus65 wrote:
Though it's just as bad to execute an innocent person.
Really though, Darke wasn't innocent. There was nothing in the game that even hinted Darke might not have actually committed the 5 murders, even after admitting that evidence was forged against him. The fact that he turned himself in and then almost immediately tried to kill two other people pretty much proves to the audience he was the culprit; they just didn't have the evidence to prove it.
This is very true. But I think it would have been more interesting had it been more ambiguous, since the whole case involves lies and forging evidence and the possibility of convicting innocent people. If even Darke's guilt was questionable... I dunno, I just think it adds something.
With a name like Darke
could we really expect more? I'd say this problem comes down to a writing fault, the way Darke's life ends, with the desperate forging of evidence and framing makes him look more innocent as it's a miracle that he left absolutely no evidence....then again if they did have evidence they'd simply put him away like that and it wouldn't make for an interesting case later on 
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There are multiple places in the script that point this out. Here are two, for instance:
Ema: Joe Darke had been taken in for questioning that day.
Phoenix: Taken in for questioning? You mean by the police?
Ema: Of course. This happened at the Police Department.
Ema: He tried to run away halfway through the interview, and fled into my sister's office.
Lana: Without a doubt, Joe Darke was the serial killer.
Lana: We asked him to come in for questioning. We were desperate for evidence.
Lana: That was when the last murder took place.
&etc, etc.
So... if you were feeling sympathy for him because he seemed to show regret? Forget it. He obviously didn't want to come in but played it cool till Neil (or Gant, though Gant attributes it to Neil) pressed him a bit too hard and he panicked and ran off.
His actions were also entirely nonsensically excessive. An accident resulted in several intentional homicides. He killed people to hide an accident. On the loony scale that's just below Kristoph, who similarly killed people for his self image, but who did it for even less of a reason and who did it much more deliberately.
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SilverWind wrote:
Actually, and I've pointed this out before, but the CR summary/profile on Darke/whatever you guys are reading that led you to believe that Darke turned himself in and was about to confess is wrong. He was brought in for questioning by the police because they strongly suspected him though they didn't have any evidence. I'd like to believe that they were having some trouble reeling him in (he was momentarily hard to track, he had a legitimate excuse to delay questioning, or something) and hence why it coincided with the date of the awards ceremony.
There are multiple places in the script that point this out. Here are two, for instance:
Ema: Joe Darke had been taken in for questioning that day.
Phoenix: Taken in for questioning? You mean by the police?
Ema: Of course. This happened at the Police Department.
Ema: He tried to run away halfway through the interview, and fled into my sister's office.
Lana: Without a doubt, Joe Darke was the serial killer.
Lana: We asked him to come in for questioning. We were desperate for evidence.
Lana: That was when the last murder took place.
&etc, etc.
There are multiple places in the script that point this out. Here are two, for instance:
Ema: Joe Darke had been taken in for questioning that day.
Phoenix: Taken in for questioning? You mean by the police?
Ema: Of course. This happened at the Police Department.
Ema: He tried to run away halfway through the interview, and fled into my sister's office.
Lana: Without a doubt, Joe Darke was the serial killer.
Lana: We asked him to come in for questioning. We were desperate for evidence.
Lana: That was when the last murder took place.
&etc, etc.
And to that I say, there is a contradiction... We are using Gumshoe's actual words:
"He killed a man that witnessed the accident. then he killed a lady who saw the second crime. A kid walked by just then, so he killed him too. Then, when he was burying the bodies, a jogger came upon the scene and was killed as well! Finally he turned himself in."
Also...
Seems he was a pretty careless animal.
Of course, this is all conjecture. There wasn't a single shred of evidence. So, he turned himself in... Yes, but in the middle of his questioning, he fled and murdered his final victim...See, this is simply an issue of a Contradiction with the facts. Incidentally, your own facts have a grave error: One says he was taken in, the other says he was asked to come in... Not ordered, but simply asked.
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And good scouring for info Wrestlemania
I knew Darke wasn't as sinister as that.....however it's now confirmed that he is a child killer I feel sorry for him now knowing that he'd probably get an insanity verdict instead of getting murdered had he went to court.
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Wrestlemania wrote:
SilverWind wrote:
Actually, and I've pointed this out before, but the CR summary/profile on Darke/whatever you guys are reading that led you to believe that Darke turned himself in and was about to confess is wrong. He was brought in for questioning by the police because they strongly suspected him though they didn't have any evidence. I'd like to believe that they were having some trouble reeling him in (he was momentarily hard to track, he had a legitimate excuse to delay questioning, or something) and hence why it coincided with the date of the awards ceremony.
There are multiple places in the script that point this out. Here are two, for instance:
Ema: Joe Darke had been taken in for questioning that day.
Phoenix: Taken in for questioning? You mean by the police?
Ema: Of course. This happened at the Police Department.
Ema: He tried to run away halfway through the interview, and fled into my sister's office.
Lana: Without a doubt, Joe Darke was the serial killer.
Lana: We asked him to come in for questioning. We were desperate for evidence.
Lana: That was when the last murder took place.
&etc, etc.
There are multiple places in the script that point this out. Here are two, for instance:
Ema: Joe Darke had been taken in for questioning that day.
Phoenix: Taken in for questioning? You mean by the police?
Ema: Of course. This happened at the Police Department.
Ema: He tried to run away halfway through the interview, and fled into my sister's office.
Lana: Without a doubt, Joe Darke was the serial killer.
Lana: We asked him to come in for questioning. We were desperate for evidence.
Lana: That was when the last murder took place.
&etc, etc.
And to that I say, there is a contradiction... We are using Gumshoe's actual words:
"He killed a man that witnessed the accident. then he killed a lady who saw the second crime. A kid walked by just then, so he killed him too. Then, when he was burying the bodies, a jogger came upon the scene and was killed as well! Finally he turned himself in."
Also...
Seems he was a pretty careless animal. Of course, this is all conjecture. There wasn't a single shred of evidence. So, he turned himself in... Yes, but in the middle of his questioning, he fled and murdered his final victim...See, this is simply an issue of a Contradiction with the facts. Incidentally, your own facts have a grave error: One says he was taken in, the other says he was asked to come in... Not ordered, but simply asked.
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Thank you for pointing out that quote. Unfortunately, I'd suppose that there are three possibilities: a) there was an error in the translation of that line by Gumshoe, b) that's an outright error/contradiction in the text, also existent in the Japanese version, or c) Gumshoe misunderstood what went on, especially since he had nothing to do with the actual case. While these are all probable, I'd say that since it is in canon anyway, trusting not only a) the words of an investigator of the case instead of someone unrelated to the case and b) trusting what the majority of people say is most accurate.
Here's another line:
Edgeworth: Joe Darke was brought in for questioning on the day of that ceremony.
I don't take what Ema says to be in contradiction with what Lana says: Darke was taken in for questioning. He was taken in willingly, meaning he was asked and he consented to it; it was voluntary. There's no contradiction there.
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